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Post by Bill on Feb 1, 2023 15:24:54 GMT
Please, and I mean this for your own mental health, get a grip fellas! As far as I know you are all grown men (and the odd woman, and for all I know maybe the odd one who prevaricates between the two) - all adults. But reading some of the comments last night I had to log off. Some sounded like they were throwing a tantrum because Father Christmas had not delivered the train set they wanted. Or its like their wife had just walked out for the poster's best friend - some were that angry. I have (schmaltzy comment alert) grown fond of all the characters on here, even when we disagree. We are all Rangers and there are plenty of great personalities (even GT). Many of them I have been chatting to for years going back to the old forum and I feel like I know many of you lot. And well done to Stanley and Brighton for finding a new home for us after the old site became impossible. But honestly, is it any wonder that the new fan who posted the other week hasn't been heard much of since? Just read some of those comments back imagining you were a prospective fan - would this seem like a fun thing to be a part of? To repeat a very obvious point I have made on a number of occasions: THERE IS NO MONEY. SO WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? The club have made that clear on many occasions. It might be due to FFP. It might be because, £400m later or whatever it is, the owners have decided it is about time it was run like a business - which means spend can't exceed revenue by any more than the million a month it is already running at. Either way, THE CLUB HAS NO MONEY FOR TRANSFERS UNLESS IT SELLS SOMEONE. That has long been the club's position and has been explained many times. Why do some fans conveniently forget this or wish it away? Why do they think we brought in Neil Critchley rather than some other Neil like Warnock? Its to develop the players we have, because we don't have a pot to piss in. Supporting a football club is meant to be a hobby - ie fun. But I struggle to understand how any fan can enjoy just repeating how angry they are with the club they love? I get you are frustrated. We all are. Tony has a lot to answer for because he has spawned a generation of Rangers fans who mistake Transfer Deadline Day for Christmas Day. Lots of clubs didn't get anyone. I think back to all those transfers when we celebrated the arrival of players like Jordan Mutch for £6m. Where is he now? For some fans (of other clubs too) obsession with transfer activity has overtaken interest in the actual football. Matches are almost an inconvenience to be got out of the way. Hunger for transfers is like taking crack cocaine, getting a momentary high ("just announce him already" - cue virtual foot stamp), then six months later complaining that this bang average player is useless: "what idiot signed this cunt?" etc. There is plenty that looks wrong about the way the club is run - I too don't understand how Les remains in post, and think we need a director of recruitment in his place who is running data on lower league players and treats it like a science. But sacking Les even if he weren't replaced would probably provide the wages for a free transfer striker for six months. Its not a game changer in terms of money saved. If you are honestly this unhappy about transfer deadline day then (and I say this regretfully, not because I want to lose fans) you should really think if supporting QPR is still working for you. Because if your expectation and demand is that every transfer window we spend a transfer fee then you are going to be very, very disappointed. We probably won't be able to next Jan transfer window either unless someone buys one of our "assets". This is the economic reality of modern QPR. If the upset that causes you is more than your love of QPR then you might honestly be better off supporting Chelsea or taking up golf, alcoholism, or dogging. Or maybe just shopping. Those who complain are just venting - they aren't offering any solution to the financial fix the club finds itself in. I know I will probably get some angry responses and people will say I'm defending the board, and they are evil etc. But I am honestly saying this for well-meaning reasons to fellow fans I like. I also struggle with it at the moment, that I admit. But endlessly moaning about it is only going to get you down, it doesn't change anything. Unless someone knows a billionaire who wants to blow his fortune (and possibly FFP rules) then this is the new reality of transfer deadline day. For what its worth this transfer window is actually an improvement on the last IMHO (we got Lowe, who is a sort-of-striker, who could be good). Last year we did get a Jan transfer deadline signing - Jeff Hendricks. How did that work out for you fellas? So what ideas do you have? |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 1, 2023 15:33:54 GMT
i don't think we'll go down because our early season form was excellent and realistically we only need 50pts to stay up although 40pts would have been enough last season. i simply don't see us losing our next 18 games, however that would be a spectacular thing to see!
people weren't annoyed that we didn't specifically sign anyone yesterday though stainrod, but rather that we didn't sign anyone over 31 days (not including lowe). even stevie wonder could see that we desparately needed reinforcements not only for the pitch but to boost the dressing room morale and give the club a much needed lift - including the supporters.
thats whats pissed people off including the more typically calm posters on the messageboard.
we've put up with a lot of shit over the past years, some high points certainly and there are some things even now that we can be proud of but how far have we actually come in 8 years? we've gone from a solid yet inconsistent midtable club to a inconsistent yet solidly midtable club. nothing but the types of results have changed and we haven't achieved or progressed enough for les or the board to hold their heads high in the job. and even so i believe the main thing les can take credit for is getting ramsay in (who gets far too much stick imo).
its an accumilation of lots of things being poured into a powder keg until one little spark sets it off, that spark was not signing anyone and now everyones attention is turned to the board and rightfully so. i don't expect a blackpool esque protest but questions need to be raised and as for suggesting who to buy us, idk, you tell me who would or wouldn't be interested.
i don't agree with your comments about football being "just" a hobby as its inaccurate to phrase that. its like saying marriage is only for convenience and rearing offspring.
football support has been compared to tribalism by mant researchers because of the level of dedication that goes into it.
as for people voicing how angry they are here? it makes total sense, where else are they supposed to talk about QPR? my wife doesn't care much about football and she'd be like a deer in the headlights if i asked for her opinion on our slow rotting decline under the fernandes regime and what would she speculate needed changing.
i was upset yesterday and posting frequently but even so, between posts i was playing with my son, cooking dinner, browsing reddit and playing some FM23. point is people don't live on this forum and would have been doing other things between a 2 minute post.
that being said i do get most of your points but disagree or feel other parts are exaggerated.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 1, 2023 15:33:56 GMT
More positivity in a hospice
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Post by Timmy Doc on Feb 1, 2023 16:05:21 GMT
Our owners do have money but they are unwilling to use it. Loftus Road could be Arcelor Mittal Stadium, worth £100 m each year.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 1, 2023 16:57:02 GMT
Think everyone is just so bored of not going forward and bad appointments and decisions going on for over 8 years It's 12 years Gens, not 8. That's almost an entire generation. |
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Post by The General on Feb 1, 2023 17:16:41 GMT
Blimey 12 years just want some success
Before i part the world if possible
Made my son support qpr hes never
Forgiven me for that too
Poor bugger feel his pain
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Post by Rangers77 on Feb 1, 2023 17:20:21 GMT
I'm very demanding. I'd like a striker. And maybe more than two goals scored at the loft end in six months?
Maybe we could sign a gay striker?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 1, 2023 17:25:23 GMT
I'm very demanding. I'd like a striker. And maybe more than two goals scored at the loft end in six months? Maybe we could sign a gay striker? That’s made up for the last poor few months, great news, |
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 1, 2023 17:38:58 GMT
Rising to GT's request for a bit more anger... When was the last time we weren't a few decisions away from going bust? In fact we went bust and Ollie built us back up on freebies and ageing war horses. Paladini (apart from royally shafting Ollie) set us up with ABC (mafia?) money - at a f***ing crippling rate of interest. We were a couple of days away from bankruptcy when those parasitic vultures Flabio and Ecclestone bought us for peanuts. Not for the love of the club, or of football - but to show off to their celeb mates and try and make a quick buck (which they actually did, despite spending £10k on a fucking chandelier). The only reason we were saved (short term at least) was that the crooked bastard Flabio ordered one of his Renault F1 drivers to crash during a race to benefit one of his other Renault drivers. What an utter c*nt (but then we all knew that anyway). Come in Amit Bhatia to steady the ship and bring in Warnock. What a stroke of f*cking luck/genius. So when on earth was the last time anyone remembers QPR being well run? Jim Gregory perhaps. So, we're mid-table instead of being in a play-off place - boo-bloody-hoo. Some of us seem so fucking entitled they could almost be Chelsea fans. Who incidentally could have bought us 15 times over for what they spent in just this January window. The board has 'no plan' - really? Says who? I'd say investing in a state of the art training facility to attract new players and improve existing ones sounds a bit like a plan. It might not deliver for a few years, but hey, it's something positive, tangible and a bit more long term than, say, spending £12m on an overweight, unfit and totally crap Chris Samba for example... (there are so many to choose from). No progress in eight years? Back then we embroiled in the FFP nightmare, came though it and have performed reasonably well with one of the cheapest squads and lowest wage bills in the league - reducing that wage bill to around just 20% of what it had been. And just ask Cardiff fans how well they feel their club is being run currently. It's just angry, frustrated ranting because, as Stainrod said, we didn't get the train set we wanted for Christmas. Bleedin' spoilt brats. I suggest everyone buys a blow up effigy of Michael Beale and f***s it up the *rse for Valentine's Day. And then just takes a chill pill. (Oh, and great post Stainrod)  |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 1, 2023 17:41:13 GMT
Can u repeat that
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 1, 2023 17:42:49 GMT
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 1, 2023 17:45:15 GMT
I would like to add the forum and the moderator team do not condone any drug taking , chill pilling and sexual acts on blow up dolls, any allegations otherwise will be met with legal litigation.
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Post by The General on Feb 1, 2023 17:53:17 GMT
I'm very demanding. I'd like a striker. And maybe more than two goals scored at the loft end in six months? Maybe we could sign a gay striker? Funny this lol Put nothing past the club Pc Woke Id like a gay striker wearing pink leggins And a wearing a white michael jackson glove Wearing backless shorts |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 1, 2023 17:54:18 GMT
I'm very demanding. I'd like a striker. And maybe more than two goals scored at the loft end in six months? Maybe we could sign a gay striker? Funny this lol Put nothing past the club Pc Woke Id like a gay striker wearing pink leggins And a wearing a white michael jackson glove Wearing backless shorts Sshhhh you’ll get hard |
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Post by The General on Feb 1, 2023 17:58:22 GMT
So whos playing No 9 on Saturday
That will be interesting
Jude the cat can play ive seen him
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Post by The General on Feb 1, 2023 17:59:46 GMT
Also how much longer can we stay at Loftus Rd
Its falling down
Just a question
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 1, 2023 18:04:26 GMT
The club is being run very badly at the moment. Who are the potential other owners? Kind of a ridiculous question - but the fact is, sane or not, people buy football clubs. Someone bought Brentford a few years ago before they were sexy, and by doing the exact opposite of what we've done has made it into a lucrative business. You always struck me as reasonably level headed - I thought your stuff on data was excellent - but what you can not seem to grasp is that in business terms, we are unsustainable right now. Wading along at this level or below is a poor business decision. I also think you're failing to distinguish between not having a pot to piss in, and having a pot but deciding to use the bed instead. Use the data, use the metrics, and guess what? You can get into the mix without breaking the bank. Just because our owners have spent so badly in the past does not mean that spending something in the market is per se a wrong move. |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 1, 2023 18:24:19 GMT
Who are the potential other owners? Kind of a ridiculous question - but the fact is, sane or not, people buy football clubs. Someone bought Brentford a few years ago before they were sexy, and by doing the exact opposite of what we've done has made it into a lucrative business. You always struck me as reasonably level headed - I thought your stuff on data was excellent - but what you can not seem to grasp is that in business terms, we are unsustainable right now. Wading along at this level or below is a poor business decision. I also think you're failing to distinguish between not having a pot to piss in, and having a pot but deciding to use the bed instead. Use the data, use the metrics, and guess what? You can get into the mix without breaking the bank. Just because our owners have spent so badly in the past does not mean that spending something in the market is per se a wrong move. brentfords championship model seems largely simple too. they simply used data to find the best players at overachieving teams in lower profile leagues and then scouted them. shania frequently posts about 'x' player in norway and i'm not suggesting that the club appoint her as their chief scout but her point stands about players from norway. they wouldn't cost an arm and a leg and in most cases would qualify for a work permit. it does beg the question as to why we're not looking abroad more than we actually are. |
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Post by The General on Feb 1, 2023 18:27:32 GMT
They are aware that the fans are very unhappy about last night
I have been in liaison with the club today
They are fully aware that everyone is very unhappy
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 1, 2023 18:35:32 GMT
They are aware that the fans are very unhappy about last night I have been in liaison with the club today They are fully aware that everyone is very unhappy Who u talk too? Club shop |
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Post by The General on Feb 1, 2023 18:51:08 GMT
You think I’m bluffing then GT
Not bluffing mate
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Post by The General on Feb 1, 2023 18:52:38 GMT
They contacted me today to obtain my questions for the Lee Hoos interview
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 1, 2023 18:53:14 GMT
No i don't,but like most big business u get some poor Canon fodder dude on other end no chiefs
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Post by Greg1882 on Feb 1, 2023 18:58:50 GMT
They are aware that the fans are very unhappy about last night I have been in liaison with the club today They are fully aware that everyone is very unhappy Yet it’s met with complete silence. If they are not very careful this will turn ugly for them. People have had enough of watching the likes of Luton fucking town have a better squad that rangers. What are they actually doing about it? That question time with hoos will be nicey nicey as always. They will filter out the questions but the fact is cunts like Ferdinand and his ridiculous contracts for people like niko must have some accountability and it just doesn’t. We just roll over and accept it. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 1, 2023 19:34:48 GMT
Who are the potential other owners? Kind of a ridiculous question - but the fact is, sane or not, people buy football clubs. Someone bought Brentford a few years ago before they were sexy, and by doing the exact opposite of what we've done has made it into a lucrative business. You always struck me as reasonably level headed - I thought your stuff on data was excellent - but what you can not seem to grasp is that in business terms, we are unsustainable right now. Wading along at this level or below is a poor business decision. I also think you're failing to distinguish between not having a pot to piss in, and having a pot but deciding to use the bed instead. Use the data, use the metrics, and guess what? You can get into the mix without breaking the bank. Just because our owners have spent so badly in the past does not mean that spending something in the market is per se a wrong move. The business is sustainable - or at least solvent - as long as the owners are happy to pump in a million a month. And they will prob continue to do so as the alternative is administration and losing everything they have invested. Meanwhile they are trying to reduce the deficit by keeping a lid on wages and not making panic buys in Jan. A year ago it looked like we had half a dozen players who were developing into saleable assets. But for a mixture of reasons (Beale, injuries, loss of form, zero money at almost all Championship clubs to buy players - we are far from alone) we have not been able to follow the Brentford model and sell our players. It’s not the board’s fault that plan has not worked out (the earlier fucks ups, cheered on by the fans, were). You don’t accept FFP as a blocker on spending. We can agree to disagree. If we can ever sell someone, that’s when we need the data driven recruitment and we will have money to spend. Les is not the right person for that. Yes someone could come and buy us you are right - but no one is trying to. I keep hearing “other buyers” but when I ask where these buyers are I am met with silence. |
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Post by The General on Feb 1, 2023 19:50:14 GMT
Hardly any clubs in football make any profit most make a huge loss the owners know this when they take over a club
Do you think Chelsea and Man Utd make a profit no we are no different from any football club
We are the same as all the others the owners of most of the clubs why should we be so grateful
They buy a club for ego not to make a profit
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Post by The General on Feb 1, 2023 19:52:23 GMT
At present we are going totally know where and that is a real shame as we have top class supporters with much passion and loyalty
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 1, 2023 20:04:04 GMT
Kind of a ridiculous question - but the fact is, sane or not, people buy football clubs. Someone bought Brentford a few years ago before they were sexy, and by doing the exact opposite of what we've done has made it into a lucrative business. You always struck me as reasonably level headed - I thought your stuff on data was excellent - but what you can not seem to grasp is that in business terms, we are unsustainable right now. Wading along at this level or below is a poor business decision. I also think you're failing to distinguish between not having a pot to piss in, and having a pot but deciding to use the bed instead. Use the data, use the metrics, and guess what? You can get into the mix without breaking the bank. Just because our owners have spent so badly in the past does not mean that spending something in the market is per se a wrong move. when I ask where these buyers are I am met with silence. Fully respect your post, I think we both agree about where we are and how we got here, but maybe we differ in the options from here on in. I just wanted to say re the buyer thing that its incredibly unlikely that any of us here (or any forum for that matter) could steer you towards a particular potential owner other than by guesswork. People have come into ownership from pretty much across the world, from business success or inherited wealth or whatever. Yes of course you need deep pockets, but there is serious money out there, and not just in the middle east. I think compared to many of our competitors at this level, as a central London club we have a lot going for us. LR has its issues but the heavy money comes from the rights rather than bums on seats. A more pertinent question would be whether or not Tune / Holdings would be receptive to offers. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 1, 2023 23:17:51 GMT
when I ask where these buyers are I am met with silence. Fully respect your post, I think we both agree about where we are and how we got here, but maybe we differ in the options from here on in. I just wanted to say re the buyer thing that its incredibly unlikely that any of us here (or any forum for that matter) could steer you towards a particular potential owner other than by guesswork. People have come into ownership from pretty much across the world, from business success or inherited wealth or whatever. Yes of course you need deep pockets, but there is serious money out there, and not just in the middle east. I think compared to many of our competitors at this level, as a central London club we have a lot going for us. LR has its issues but the heavy money comes from the rights rather than bums on seats. A more pertinent question would be whether or not Tune / Holdings would be receptive to offers. Thats a fair question. As you suggest, none of us fans know for sure. My hunch for what its worth is they would sell it tomorrow if they could but nobody has come up with an offer they consider acceptable. Probably when Tony was loving being centre stage and getting his pants pulled down (only he didn't know it at the time - twice) he wouldn't have wanted to sell. But the last few years they all seem pretty disillusioned/ disengaged, spending a million a month just to keep the lights on and getting loads of abuse on Twitter. They don't even go to many games as far as I'm aware. Could be wrong but they don't strike me as guys in love with owning a football club anymore. But there are a lot of distressed clubs out there now and if in this economic climate there are rich folk mug enough to want to own a football club then they will have a lot of clubs to choose from. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 2, 2023 2:31:11 GMT
I still question this "million a month" narrative until we can see the latest accounts or an accountant can corroborate it. It may well be true but I find it a shaky argument to continually pin on to justify a position. Seeing it in black and red would convince me more than an utterance out of Hoos' mouth from a fans forum some two years ago (the original source). Until then I'm reminded of the Joseph Goebbels quote "If you tell a big enough lie and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
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