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Post by Rangers77 on Feb 21, 2023 23:29:06 GMT
Heard this earlier, but spent the evening at Wrexham watching them beat Scunthorpe, so just catching up. Kinda excited. But what choice do we have. Loser Les is in his pocket. Geezers back in town, which is something. Here's hoping. COYRs.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Feb 21, 2023 23:30:25 GMT
Always had a soft spot for Wycombe, even more so now. Classy statement from a real classy club.
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Post by Rangers77 on Feb 21, 2023 23:57:18 GMT
More hoof it and hope I think... Well hey, the tippy tippy passing it round the back style of play hasn't really worked for us, let's give hoofball a go. Hoof it up so we score more than the three fucking goals we've scored at the Loft all season. BRING IT ON. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 22, 2023 7:52:50 GMT
And they’ve moved quickly to bring in someone who, time will tell, looks a perfect fit continuity. Not all the piss-balling about that we do.
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Post by 1973ranger on Feb 22, 2023 8:00:45 GMT
And they’ve moved quickly to bring in someone who, time will tell, looks a perfect fit continuity. Not all the piss-balling about that we do. They do not have Hoos and Ferdinand |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 22, 2023 9:11:04 GMT
the more i think about this appointment the more happy i am with it. he's cut his cloth at wycombe and proven that he's a good manager who can find success against the odds.
but not only that, he's chosen to leave a club were he's a modern day legend and unsackable to come here because he wants to test himself and get us stable again. it takes real balls and passion for the club to walk away from what he had to come here.
his final interview with wycombe and first one with us is nothing short of class, there's no fakeness to ainsworth unlike some of our previous bosses. i imagine he feels pretty raw and sad to leave wycombe but i feel like once he settles in here and gets a win under his belt that everything will click into place.
i reckon a lot of our players will step it up a gear or be completely adapted to different roles as its a trait of gareths.
can't wait for saturday, win, lose or draw i know the air about the club is gunna feel different this time round (even so, fuck les).
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 22, 2023 9:38:13 GMT
Yeah, I’m coming round to thinking this ain’t all bad. So what if we play a more basic, direct game - it might suit our players better and a few wins will get the feel good factor back around the club. Just hope Ramsey and Hall keep their noses out and let him get on with the job - just a feeling you get that they interfere. Time to get in a proper DOF if that’s the idea we want to stick with. Someone experienced to look at all aspects of the footballing side, starting with the fitness/medical staff. That might even get the CEO to up his game too.
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 22, 2023 9:42:13 GMT
Worth a bit of nostalgia... two fabulous goals  |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 22, 2023 9:46:05 GMT
So what if we play a more basic, direct game I couldn't care less how boring we play, if it's winning football. Just a personal view. For Gareth to succeed he'll need to learn to be adaptable because in this league teams are very quick to learn and find a counter to one dimensional styles. And QPR have learned that to our cost in recent years. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Feb 22, 2023 9:46:25 GMT
I'm well behind this appointment the more I think about it.
Ainsworth has used our youth system a number of times in the past at Wycombe and has a good connection with the club so perhaps he has a good idea of what is going on behind the scenes development wise.
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 22, 2023 9:56:04 GMT
the more i think about this appointment the more happy i am with it. he's cut his cloth at wycombe and proven that he's a good manager who can find success against the odds. I mean a lot of people were happy when Ollie came back.... Listen, the jury has to be out on this because it's a massive call, not just because he has no form to speak of at this level, but also because of our unmotivated, injury prone and largely unskilled workforce. Cheers Les. If he can get them to enjoy themselves out there and find some belief and confidence (which I think he can do) then we'll be safe. But beyond that? 3.5 years seems insane to me, but there you go. |
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Post by sparks on Feb 22, 2023 9:56:42 GMT
This interview was done three months ago and is one of the reasons why I’m struggling with the appointment.Hopefully a fresh start with a new set of players will broaden his outlook.
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Post by Rangers77 on Feb 22, 2023 10:13:15 GMT
This interview was done three months ago and is one of the reasons why I’m struggling with the appointment.Hopefully a fresh start with a new set of players will broaden his outlook. Possession hasn't won us games. Dickie and Dunne having the most touches. Across the eighteen yard line, trying to work the channels. Never ever a through ball. Bring it on. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Feb 22, 2023 10:22:49 GMT
This interview was done three months ago and is one of the reasons why I’m struggling with the appointment.Hopefully a fresh start with a new set of players will broaden his outlook. He's not wrong though to be fair. I'd much rather see us end a game on 20% possession and win or draw than dominate possession and lose. Possession means very very little without chances being converted. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 22, 2023 10:57:31 GMT
I agree up to a point.
The obvious counter argument is if you have the ball you can't concede.
The key is what you DO with the ball.
#FootballIsASimpleGame
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Post by 1973ranger on Feb 22, 2023 11:18:42 GMT
The concern for me is the squad he has at his disposal and unless they get their fingers out he will fail on the strength of them.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Feb 22, 2023 11:20:16 GMT
Whatever system/tactics he employs, one things for sure.
If the players buy into the fact that he’s putting a hell of a lot at stake coming here, then there shouldn’t be any doubt about their application moving forwards.
Even with the new manager bounce not sure we’ll get much from Saturday but it’s the following games against sides around us that matter and he should get them well and truly fired up for those.
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Post by sparks on Feb 22, 2023 12:35:43 GMT
In that video underdog, destroyer/counter attacking team ,not concerned about possession stats are key points he likes using at WW but unlikely to succeed here without more broader outlook imo.
He hasn’t got the players here with pace or overall high fitness levels to be counter attacking.Are you confident we’ve got players to defend a lead.
Where are the cloggers to be used as destroyers in opponents attacks.
When will we be looked at by other teams as plucky underdogs like WW were.
Holding higher possession stats allow a team to dictate the pace of a game, greater probability to score and less likely to concede.It also can paper over cracks with poor overall fitness levels of our players.
We’re going to need loan players next season whatever way you look at it and if your Prem club are you likely to loan players to play WW Ainsworth style of football.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 22, 2023 12:59:07 GMT
Agree Sparks. That’s why Josh “The Rat” Scowen was his main man.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Feb 22, 2023 13:00:55 GMT
Just hoping a rocker will get a tune out of some of the players
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 22, 2023 13:04:05 GMT
Holding higher possession stats allow a team to dictate pace of game. But not necessarily to their advantage (eg Mourinho's Inter Milan Champions League winning team, France in 2018 WC, both of whom were happy to sit tight and counter) The problem as you rightly say is you have to cut according to your cloth, and if you can't defend you wont get away with that approach. On the other hand under Beale we looked good playing fast transitions, and that's what you have to do if you want to counter. It'll be interesting.... |
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Post by sparks on Feb 22, 2023 13:08:42 GMT
Holding higher possession stats allow a team to dictate pace of game. But not necessarily to their advantage (eg Mourinho's Inter Milan Champions League winning team, France in 2018 WC, both of whom were happy to sit tight and counter) The problem as you rightly say is you have to cut according to your cloth, and if you can't defend you wont get away with that approach. On the other hand under Beale we looked good playing fast transitions, and that's what you have to do if you want to counter. It'll be interesting.... I was more than happy with the football under Beale, it really felt to me we were finally making progress. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 22, 2023 13:13:36 GMT
I agree up to a point. The obvious counter argument is if you have the ball you can't concede. The key is what you DO with the ball. #FootballIsASimpleGame And its what you do with it. Appreciate its an unfair comparison but look how Real Madrid murdered Liverpool in the second half last night. It IS about possession, what we started under Warbs was the right approach IMHO and that improved under Beale when he started converting some of that possession into positive movement forward and eg the holding midfielder not facing his own goal but looking forwards. IF we go back to hoof ball - and obvs he deserves a chance to see how he sets us up - that to me wd be a massive step backwards. Can't think of many teams who got promotion from the Championship in recent years playing that way, let alone survived in the Prem. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Feb 22, 2023 13:34:14 GMT
It’s a bit unfair to compare his style to hoof football.
Eze went on loan there for a while and it didn’t do him any harm. I doubt he spent his time there watching the ball sent over his head.
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 22, 2023 14:01:17 GMT
But not necessarily to their advantage (eg Mourinho's Inter Milan Champions League winning team, France in 2018 WC, both of whom were happy to sit tight and counter) The problem as you rightly say is you have to cut according to your cloth, and if you can't defend you wont get away with that approach. On the other hand under Beale we looked good playing fast transitions, and that's what you have to do if you want to counter. It'll be interesting.... I was more than happy with the football under Beale, it really felt to me we were finally making progress. Me too, until he tried to get out via Wolverhampton. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 22, 2023 14:48:50 GMT
Ainsworth's answer to the 'hoofball' accusations coming his way - watch Wycombe's goals this season...
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 22, 2023 15:04:57 GMT
They’re encouraged to shoot and get crosses and set pieces into dangerous areas. Well that’s a good starting point for us!
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Post by shepherdsmush on Feb 22, 2023 15:26:17 GMT
Just need some set-piece specialists in the summer...
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 22, 2023 15:35:09 GMT
Just need some players
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Post by Corbray on Feb 22, 2023 16:08:19 GMT
large number of crosses but its hardly hoofball. quite a few shots from outside of the box too. i feel like someone like dykes could thrive in this system if we start playing right.
makes you wonder what kind of formation he's going to play with and the way players roles will change. i suspect field will sit deeper which he's better suited for anyway, he's not a runner but reads the game well.
i've suggested before about kakay playing in midfield and think he could do a role their akin to scowen's at wycombe. he fights, runs, and is decent on the ball plus he's one of the few players in the team that can whip in a good first time cross.
he's a league 1 right back as he gets caught out too much but maybe he could convert to a central midfielder.
the last half of this season is make or break for dozzell too. he'll either finally find a role that suits him or he'll be off in the summer.
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