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Post by Rangers77 on Feb 22, 2023 16:43:57 GMT
Agree Sparks. That’s why Josh “The Rat” Scowen was his main man. Shame Les got shot of Dom Ball, eh? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 22, 2023 16:46:04 GMT
Even if we had instilled Dean Smith or Chris Wilder as our coach, are we sure our players would have given more for them than for Ainsworth potentially? No dig aimed at anyone on here though. The way they given up last 2 seasons at xmas or just after, do u think they give anything to anyone. |
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Post by awin on Feb 22, 2023 23:13:44 GMT
Agree Sparks. That’s why Josh “The Rat” Scowen was his main man. Shame Les got shot of Dom Ball, eh? Lucky we have Sam Field then eh? 😁 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 22, 2023 23:39:58 GMT
Good point. Field is definitely an upgrade on Ball and Scowen.
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 23, 2023 5:23:49 GMT
Dunno why we are over-analysing how Ainsworth played at Wycombe. As he quite rightly said in his press conference the other day, he played the cards he was dealt. Here he has a very different set of players and more options in terms of how he sets up. Good Managers adapt, in every walk of life.
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Post by 1973ranger on Feb 23, 2023 6:24:56 GMT
Watched the video of his first training session and will say their are no excuses for these players. The training ground looked like a place you want to play and was very impressed by his way of being towards the players. Looks like he wants to create a feel good attitude around the place! You never know he may get JCS and Richards on the pitch
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Post by Corbray on Feb 23, 2023 7:12:55 GMT
Watched the video of his first training session and will say their are no excuses for these players. The training ground looked like a place you want to play and was very impressed by his way of being towards the players. Looks like he wants to create a feel good attitude around the place! You never know he may get JCS and Richards on the pitch its certainly different from mr urmm's first session where he was just standing at the side avoiding all human contact. the players look more at ease, i think all they really need is some picking up. its frustrating that its come to that point but it is what it is. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 23, 2023 7:16:24 GMT
He still in charge?
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Post by coneysboots on Feb 23, 2023 7:16:53 GMT
Watched the video of his first training session and will say their are no excuses for these players. The training ground looked like a place you want to play and was very impressed by his way of being towards the players. Looks like he wants to create a feel good attitude around the place! You never know he may get JCS and Richards on the pitchSurely not at the same time  |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 23, 2023 9:34:24 GMT
Dunno why we are over-analysing how Ainsworth played at Wycombe. As he quite rightly said in his press conference the other day, he played the cards he was dealt. Here he has a very different set of players and more options in terms of how he sets up. Good Managers adapt, in every walk of life. Which I think is the point being made. We've not seen HOW he will adapt to having better players now at his disposal - which will make it all the more interesting to observe. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 23, 2023 9:37:17 GMT
You never know he may get JCS and Richards on the pitch And maybe even Balogun who didn't feature ONCE under NC's entire stint! |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 23, 2023 10:23:00 GMT
You never know he may get JCS and Richards on the pitch And maybe even Balogun who didn't feature ONCE under NC's entire stint! thought he was long term rehab... could be wrong though Onna tactical front. I think we will see a more committed, pragmatic approach, but as previously stated that kind countering set up could actually speed up the transitions, which was pretty much what Beale did. That said, I don't want to see us bus parking too deep by default. Because as of now we don't defend well enough to hold a back line. |
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 23, 2023 10:24:11 GMT
It's such a strange one.
Was I wanting Ainsworth? No. Do I think he's the right appointment? No.
Has he made me very excited for Saturday? Yes!
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Post by sparks on Feb 23, 2023 10:38:24 GMT
It's such a strange one. Was I wanting Ainsworth? No. Do I think he's the right appointment? No. Has he made me very excited for Saturday? Yes! Good post, exactly how I feel too. |
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Post by sparks on Feb 23, 2023 10:41:38 GMT
Some good insight from a WW fan on both Ainsworth and Dobson.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Feb 23, 2023 16:06:14 GMT
Dunno why we are over-analysing how Ainsworth played at Wycombe. As he quite rightly said in his press conference the other day, he played the cards he was dealt. Here he has a very different set of players and more options in terms of how he sets up. Good Managers adapt, in every walk of life. Cards he was dealt? So 11 years, he always got similar type of players? Poor luck. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2023 17:38:14 GMT
Dunno why we are over-analysing how Ainsworth played at Wycombe. As he quite rightly said in his press conference the other day, he played the cards he was dealt. Here he has a very different set of players and more options in terms of how he sets up. Good Managers adapt, in every walk of life. Cards he was dealt? So 11 years, he always got similar type of players? Poor luck. To be fair to him Timmy, he was only ever dealing with League 1 players at best as they can’t afford better. He did a good job there. The question is can he step up? |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Feb 23, 2023 18:03:47 GMT
There's only one Gareth Ainsworth,
One Gareth Ainsworth
Beale was a ****
Critchley a punt
Walking in an Ainsworth wonderland
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 23, 2023 18:15:01 GMT
If he can put a bit of fire and belief into them we'll improve, irrespective of tactics. He wont tolerate passengers.
Tactically that fast counter approach could suit us as well, since Beale we've slowed down again.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Feb 23, 2023 19:11:22 GMT
If he can put a bit of fire and belief into them we'll improve, irrespective of tactics. He wont tolerate passengers. Tactically that fast counter approach could suit us as well, since Beale we've slowed down again. This is the thing Hal, we haven't got a bad bunch of players talent-wise. They're more than good enough to keep us up. It's belief and desire they lack, and if Gaz can get that belief back they'll be firing again. |
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 24, 2023 8:00:39 GMT
Dunno why we are over-analysing how Ainsworth played at Wycombe. As he quite rightly said in his press conference the other day, he played the cards he was dealt. Here he has a very different set of players and more options in terms of how he sets up. Good Managers adapt, in every walk of life. Cards he was dealt? So 11 years, he always got similar type of players? Poor luck. Possibly the daftest comment on this thread. The cards he was dealt meaning the fact he was operating with the lowest budget (or certainly one of the lowest budgets) in the division pretty much every season. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Feb 24, 2023 10:36:01 GMT
Cards he was dealt? So 11 years, he always got similar type of players? Poor luck. Possibly the daftest comment on this thread. The cards he was dealt meaning the fact he was operating with the lowest budget (or certainly one of the lowest budgets) in the division pretty much every season. Analyzing HOW he played at Wycombe? That means his playing style IMO. Plenty of possession football teams in lower leagues but Ainsworth didn't want that. |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 24, 2023 10:44:09 GMT
Possibly the daftest comment on this thread. The cards he was dealt meaning the fact he was operating with the lowest budget (or certainly one of the lowest budgets) in the division pretty much every season. Analyzing HOW he played at Wycombe? That means his playing style IMO. Plenty of possession football teams in lower leagues but Ainsworth didn't want that. WW have a TINY budget, a lot of league 2 teams even have bigger budgets than wycombe. football is a results based business at the end of the day and gareth got the results to take them all the way up to the championship. he can only work with the players he can attract to the club. wycombe fans have said that gareth played to his players strengths, they played hoofball to akinfenwa because nobody is going to get the ball off of him lol. but they've also said their football is a lot more attractive this season. i think our football will certainly become more pragmatic for sure but i also think that we'll still be able to play nice football. we have some exciting players afterall so its hardly like gareth won't utilize them. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 24, 2023 11:50:27 GMT
Analyzing HOW he played at Wycombe? That means his playing style IMO. Plenty of possession football teams in lower leagues but Ainsworth didn't want that. WW have a TINY budget, a lot of league 2 teams even have bigger budgets than wycombe. football is a results based business at the end of the day and gareth got the results to take them all the way up to the championship. he can only work with the players he can attract to the club. wycombe fans have said that gareth played to his players strengths, they played hoofball to akinfenwa because nobody is going to get the ball off of him lol. but they've also said their football is a lot more attractive this season. i think our football will certainly become more pragmatic for sure but i also think that we'll still be able to play nice football. we have some exciting players afterall so its hardly like gareth won't utilize them. I take the argument for sure but also think the Doc has a point here: there's a place for pragmatism, and for us for the rest of the season until we are safe its all about pragmatism too, but after 11 years in the job if you were the type of manager who can develop exciting talent you would hope that there were a few more examples to point to. In Championship terms we have a smaller than average budget too and will not be able to go out and buy the finished article. I think his blood and thunder approach will get more out of the players than Critchley was. Great. But will he continue to develop their skill? Will he bring through some promising youngsters and develop their skills, not just as a team but as individuals? I'm not saying he won't be able to but I am saying there isn't a lot in his CV (as far as I'm aware) that suggests he thrives at that - which was I thought the club's business model. |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 24, 2023 12:25:42 GMT
WW have a TINY budget, a lot of league 2 teams even have bigger budgets than wycombe. football is a results based business at the end of the day and gareth got the results to take them all the way up to the championship. he can only work with the players he can attract to the club. wycombe fans have said that gareth played to his players strengths, they played hoofball to akinfenwa because nobody is going to get the ball off of him lol. but they've also said their football is a lot more attractive this season. i think our football will certainly become more pragmatic for sure but i also think that we'll still be able to play nice football. we have some exciting players afterall so its hardly like gareth won't utilize them. I take the argument for sure but also think the Doc has a point here: there's a place for pragmatism, and for us for the rest of the season until we are safe its all about pragmatism too, but after 11 years in the job if you were the type of manager who can develop exciting talent you would hope that there were a few more examples to point to. In Championship terms we have a smaller than average budget too and will not be able to go out and buy the finished article. I think his blood and thunder approach will get more out of the players than Critchley was. Great. But will he continue to develop their skill? Will he bring through some promising youngsters and develop their skills, not just as a team but as individuals? I'm not saying he won't be able to but I am saying there isn't a lot in his CV (as far as I'm aware) that suggests he thrives at that - which was I thought the club's business model. Agree but forget all the spin about development. The only reason anyone at the club got interested in 'development' was because they though it might be an safe way to a few quid. Unfortunately, we're as bad as that as we are at everything else. We'd be much better off simply concentrating on using the market more intelligently and hoping that one year we manage by hook or crook to get up and earn a few quid. At the moment, as I keep reminding everyone and as Hoos predictably points out, our business model involves loosing quite a lot of money every month. In recent years we've tried every approach and mastered none of them. |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 24, 2023 12:34:32 GMT
WW have a TINY budget, a lot of league 2 teams even have bigger budgets than wycombe. football is a results based business at the end of the day and gareth got the results to take them all the way up to the championship. he can only work with the players he can attract to the club. wycombe fans have said that gareth played to his players strengths, they played hoofball to akinfenwa because nobody is going to get the ball off of him lol. but they've also said their football is a lot more attractive this season. i think our football will certainly become more pragmatic for sure but i also think that we'll still be able to play nice football. we have some exciting players afterall so its hardly like gareth won't utilize them. I take the argument for sure but also think the Doc has a point here: there's a place for pragmatism, and for us for the rest of the season until we are safe its all about pragmatism too, but after 11 years in the job if you were the type of manager who can develop exciting talent you would hope that there were a few more examples to point to. In Championship terms we have a smaller than average budget too and will not be able to go out and buy the finished article. I think his blood and thunder approach will get more out of the players than Critchley was. Great. But will he continue to develop their skill? Will he bring through some promising youngsters and develop their skills, not just as a team but as individuals? I'm not saying he won't be able to but I am saying there isn't a lot in his CV (as far as I'm aware) that suggests he thrives at that - which was I thought the club's business model. i think he will tbh, he has a different approach for sure but him and dobbo seem like a great team together. i wouldn't be able to go through exactly who wycombe have developed in their time but the notable ones off the top of my head are ingram, scowen, ibe and mehmeti. there's probably a few more over the years given that they have a reputation of making seemingly random signings and getting all the way to the championship on the back of it. questions should always be raised about every managers credentials but the job he did at wycombe was excellent and if he can replicate that with us at a higher level then i'd be very happy. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 24, 2023 14:01:12 GMT
I take the argument for sure but also think the Doc has a point here: there's a place for pragmatism, and for us for the rest of the season until we are safe its all about pragmatism too, but after 11 years in the job if you were the type of manager who can develop exciting talent you would hope that there were a few more examples to point to. In Championship terms we have a smaller than average budget too and will not be able to go out and buy the finished article. I think his blood and thunder approach will get more out of the players than Critchley was. Great. But will he continue to develop their skill? Will he bring through some promising youngsters and develop their skills, not just as a team but as individuals? I'm not saying he won't be able to but I am saying there isn't a lot in his CV (as far as I'm aware) that suggests he thrives at that - which was I thought the club's business model. i think he will tbh, he has a different approach for sure but him and dobbo seem like a great team together. i wouldn't be able to go through exactly who wycombe have developed in their time but the notable ones off the top of my head are ingram, scowen, ibe and mehmeti. there's probably a few more over the years given that they have a reputation of making seemingly random signings and getting all the way to the championship on the back of it. questions should always be raised about every managers credentials but the job he did at wycombe was excellent and if he can replicate that with us at a higher level then i'd be very happy. I reckon you are being very generous including Scowen and Ibe there Corbs. Mehmeti is the one though - and he gives lie to the notion that WW were just direct and basic under Ainsworth. As has been said he played to his squad’s strengths and Mehmeti played football. The fans are gutted Mehmeti left. He would have been perfect for us but he’s ended up at Bristol. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 24, 2023 14:12:18 GMT
i think he will tbh, he has a different approach for sure but him and dobbo seem like a great team together. i wouldn't be able to go through exactly who wycombe have developed in their time but the notable ones off the top of my head are ingram, scowen, ibe and mehmeti. there's probably a few more over the years given that they have a reputation of making seemingly random signings and getting all the way to the championship on the back of it. questions should always be raised about every managers credentials but the job he did at wycombe was excellent and if he can replicate that with us at a higher level then i'd be very happy. I reckon you are being very generous including Scowen and Ibe there Corbs. Mehmeti is the one though - and he gives lie to the notion that WW were just direct and basic under Ainsworth. As has been said he played to his squad’s strengths and Mehmeti played football. The fans are gutted Mehmeti left. He would have been perfect for us but he’s ended up at Bristol. Mehmeti is obvs a good example, but even he is not exactly Eze. Not a lot to show for 11 years. If Josh Scowen is one of GA's star proteges think that supports my point: Ainsworth's skill has been getting a lot out of some very limited, agricultural individuals and punching above their weight as a collective. Scowen is now back at Wycombe, which is probably his level, remember we thought Dom Ball was an upgrade. That approach by GA might get you survival in the Championship, which is obvs the aim for this season. But is that now the ambition moving forwards as well? |
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Post by hubble on Feb 24, 2023 14:18:23 GMT
There is a hell of a lot of pre-judging gonig on here, why not give the bloke the chance before you write him off. Jeez.
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Post by Corbray on Feb 24, 2023 14:19:46 GMT
i think he will tbh, he has a different approach for sure but him and dobbo seem like a great team together. i wouldn't be able to go through exactly who wycombe have developed in their time but the notable ones off the top of my head are ingram, scowen, ibe and mehmeti. there's probably a few more over the years given that they have a reputation of making seemingly random signings and getting all the way to the championship on the back of it. questions should always be raised about every managers credentials but the job he did at wycombe was excellent and if he can replicate that with us at a higher level then i'd be very happy. I reckon you are being very generous including Scowen and Ibe there Corbs. Mehmeti is the one though - and he gives lie to the notion that WW were just direct and basic under Ainsworth. As has been said he played to his squad’s strengths and Mehmeti played football. The fans are gutted Mehmeti left. He would have been perfect for us but he’s ended up at Bristol. for sure i am but i'm basing that on similar sized clubs to wycombe. not many clubs with wycombe's infrastructure produce or develop players, they might have one every 5-10 years that they sell on to a bigger team if they're lucky. crewe are exceptions to the rule but their bread and butter is their academy. scowen was good at barnsley for one season, ingram is hull's number 1 and ibe had bags of talent but was beset with injuries and mental problems. we'll see how gareth does with more finances and a better system here. i think he'll end up doing well. i think one of his best strengths is getting the most out of players and using them properly. |
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