Vespa
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Post by Vespa on Apr 19, 2023 23:25:20 GMT
I`m done , its all over ........
QPR v Norwich
We had a break in an English league football match ,because of a foreign religion .........
Ramadan means nothing to British culture ......yet we bow down to their religion
Could you imagine stopping a match for any other religion ?
We are a Christian country , and we would never stop a match for our own religion ! WTF ?
Do you think matches in muslim countries would stop for any other religion ??
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Post by Corbray on Apr 20, 2023 4:52:00 GMT
AHHHH! the travesty of stopping a silly game for a few minutes to allow some people to have something to eat and drink, how will we survive?!
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 20, 2023 6:10:03 GMT
But he does have a point Corbs. We’re not perfect but we must be one of the most inclusive and tolerant societies in the world yet we are constantly pilloried for something or other. Doesn’t have to be race or religion either - can you imagine the furore if our police confronted protestors the way we’ve seen in France recently?
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Post by West Acton on Apr 20, 2023 6:27:42 GMT
So we’re not bothered that any of our players might actually benefit and perform better from rehydrating if they were observing. Would it be better that they wait another 15/20mins so not to piss people off.
It’s not a qpr thing every game is doing it.
What’s difference between this and the water break in the summer at start of season at evening games when they could play through.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Apr 20, 2023 6:33:03 GMT
Non issue for me.
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Post by Corbray on Apr 20, 2023 6:55:34 GMT
But he does have a point Corbs. We’re not perfect but we must be one of the most inclusive and tolerant societies in the world yet we are constantly pilloried for something or other. Doesn’t have to be race or religion either - can you imagine the furore if our police confronted protestors the way we’ve seen in France recently? we're talking about someone breaking for iftar to eat some fruit paste and a drink of water, not having the stadium join for an evening prayer. |
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Post by hubble on Apr 20, 2023 7:17:22 GMT
But he does have a point Corbs. We’re not perfect but we must be one of the most inclusive and tolerant societies in the world yet we are constantly pilloried for something or other. Doesn’t have to be race or religion either - can you imagine the furore if our police confronted protestors the way we’ve seen in France recently? we're talking about someone breaking for iftar to eat some fruit paste and a drink of water, not having the stadium join for an evening prayer. "not having the stadium join for an evening prayer"
Yet.
Vespa has a point. Football has already become way too politicised, all for the purposes of propaganda/social engineering. I don't like that and I don't like this. Has football ever acknowledged Lent? Jewish holidays? Why suddenly include this? If someone wishes to observe the arbirtrary rules of religious dogma, fine, do it, but don't expect everyone else to pander to you.
And it won't stop here. Oh, a break you say? How about a commercial break? Great idea! Let's make it a 40 minute game, with 4 periods. More advertising! Great! Whatever happened to 'when in Rome'?
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 20, 2023 7:53:49 GMT
Nor me but not the point I was making. Would we arrange a late kick off because a couple of our players wanted to go to church on Sunday? No. They’d be told to get on with it. |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 20, 2023 8:02:23 GMT
Nor me but not the point I was making. Would we arrange a late kick off because a couple of our players wanted to go to church on Sunday? No. They’d be told to get on with it. but we don’t play christmas day anymore |
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Post by Rangers77 on Apr 20, 2023 8:07:52 GMT
I'm just surprised the club didn't announce it on the tannoy, before, after and during the event, backed up by an explanation on the big screen, with diverse talking heads telling us about it, and it's vital importance, mentioning diversity, equity and inclusion, having issued statements on Twitter and Instagram that the club were going to do it, were actually doing it, and had done it. Surprised, too, we fans weren't invited to participate (probably because the kiosks were closed and, if open, the queues would've been enormous..).
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Post by hubble on Apr 20, 2023 8:10:16 GMT
Jude the Cat could double as a Muezzin, leading the call to prayer before Friday night games.
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Post by Corbray on Apr 20, 2023 8:21:45 GMT
we're talking about someone breaking for iftar to eat some fruit paste and a drink of water, not having the stadium join for an evening prayer. "not having the stadium join for an evening prayer"
Yet.
Vespa has a point. Football has already become way too politicised, all for the purposes of propaganda/social engineering. I don't like that and I don't like this. Has football ever acknowledged Lent? Jewish holidays? Why suddenly include this? If someone wishes to observe the arbirtrary rules of religious dogma, fine, do it, but don't expect everyone else to pander to you.
And it won't stop here. Oh, a break you say? How about a commercial break? Great idea! Let's make it a 40 minute game, with 4 periods. More advertising! Great! Whatever happened to 'when in Rome'?
you know that 'yet' will never happen. can you name many jewish players in the EFL? i don't see the point in openly acknowledging jewish customs when there's no jews to partake. but even so, clubs have made accomidations for devoutly religious christians and jews over the years. as i've said, all it is is just muslim players breaking their fast during their most holy time. it doesn't effect anyone or anything. there's bigger things to moan about on football like you said about how politics and pandering is gradually creeping into it. |
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Post by hubble on Apr 20, 2023 8:24:22 GMT
"not having the stadium join for an evening prayer"
Yet.
Vespa has a point. Football has already become way too politicised, all for the purposes of propaganda/social engineering. I don't like that and I don't like this. Has football ever acknowledged Lent? Jewish holidays? Why suddenly include this? If someone wishes to observe the arbirtrary rules of religious dogma, fine, do it, but don't expect everyone else to pander to you.
And it won't stop here. Oh, a break you say? How about a commercial break? Great idea! Let's make it a 40 minute game, with 4 periods. More advertising! Great! Whatever happened to 'when in Rome'?
you know that 'yet' will never happen. can you name many jewish players in the EFL? i don't see the point in openly acknowledging jewish customs when there's no jews to partake. but even so, clubs have made accomidations for devoutly religious christians and jews over the years. as i've said, all it is is just muslim players breaking their fast during their most holy time. it doesn't effect anyone or anything. there's bigger things to moan about on football like you said about how politics and pandering is gradually creeping into it.
I just don't think it's as innocuous as you do mate.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Apr 20, 2023 8:45:12 GMT
Nor me but not the point I was making. Would we arrange a late kick off because a couple of our players wanted to go to church on Sunday? No. They’d be told to get on with it. You're right, Sunday games happen every week for sure. But there aren't any customs (that I can think of, correct me if I'm wrong) in Christianity that require fasting. These are professional athletes and nutrition is an important part of their makeup. Religion aside, and purely from a sporting viewpoint, it has to be a lot harder for those not eating or drinking to keep up that level of performance, regardless how much they're being paid etc etc. I see no issue in allowing them a quick break to get something inside them if it refuels them. I agree with the above points about politicizing football and how there's no place in the sport for that, but this is simply people trying to get some food and drink in their bodies to keep themselves going imo. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Apr 20, 2023 8:47:31 GMT
This is a really good debate by the way lads.
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Post by Bill on Apr 20, 2023 8:51:44 GMT
Not that it applies to us but momentum doesn't matter.
Let's stop the game for everything oh I need a dump
Ffs
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 20, 2023 8:56:14 GMT
I`m done , its all over ........ QPR v Norwich We had a break in an English league football match , because of a foreign religion ......... Ramadan means nothing to British culture ......yet we bow down to their religion Could you imagine stopping a match for any other religion ? We are a Christian country , and we would never stop a match for our own religion ! WTF ? Do you think matches in muslim countries would stop for any other religion ?? Yeah, not like our British religion, Christianity. Which originated in, er, the Middle East… |
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Post by Bill on Apr 20, 2023 8:59:56 GMT
Easter Monday I've got to eat my egg and go to church.
They are professional footballers ffs
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Post by hubble on Apr 20, 2023 10:10:10 GMT
Bottom line for me: it's a personal choice. They don't HAVE to fast. If they chooose to follow the edicts of a particular set of rules for living (which is all religion is), that's up to them. We have a national game that is - if I may use a religious term - enshrined in our culture. If you start messing with it, it's just the same as messing with their rules for their religion. Why should their set of arbirtrary rules take precedence? It's not as if there are loads of muslim footballers, is it? There are a handful. So don't fucking play if you think you can't handle fasting for a few hours.
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 20, 2023 10:12:05 GMT
Easter Monday I've got to eat my egg and go to church. They are professional footballers ffs If you are a believer (Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Taoist, Zoroastrian, Rastafarian, whatever) then you follow the laws of that religion. During Ramadan, Muslims are obliged to fast from dawn to sunset (around 8.00pm yesterday for the Norwich match). So it's up to clubs whether they choose to sign Muslim players, knowing this is a thing. If clubs sign Muslim players, it's up to managers whether they choose to play fasting Muslim players during Ramadan, knowing they may be under-nourished - especially for evening matches. Devout believers will always take adherence to their faith over kicking a ball around on a patch of grass. Live and let live  |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Apr 20, 2023 10:15:55 GMT
Bottom line for me: it's a personal choice. They don't HAVE to fast. If they chooose to follow the edicts of a particular set of rules for living (which is all religion is), that's up to them. We have a national game that is - if I may use a religious term - enshrined in our culture. If you start messing with it, it's just the same as messing with their rules for their religion. Why should their set of arbirtrary rules take precedence? It's not as if there are loads of muslim footballers, is it? There are a handful. So don't fucking play if you think you can't handle fasting for a few hours. I reckon there are a lot more than a handful of Muslim players in this country mate. Hell of a lot more. |
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Post by hubble on Apr 20, 2023 10:29:49 GMT
Bottom line for me: it's a personal choice. They don't HAVE to fast. If they chooose to follow the edicts of a particular set of rules for living (which is all religion is), that's up to them. We have a national game that is - if I may use a religious term - enshrined in our culture. If you start messing with it, it's just the same as messing with their rules for their religion. Why should their set of arbirtrary rules take precedence? It's not as if there are loads of muslim footballers, is it? There are a handful. So don't fucking play if you think you can't handle fasting for a few hours. I reckon there are a lot more than a handful of Muslim players in this country mate. Hell of a lot more.
Are there? We've got one in our squad. How many others do you know about? Point still stands.
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 20, 2023 10:51:14 GMT
I reckon there are a lot more than a handful of Muslim players in this country mate. Hell of a lot more.
Are there? We've got one in our squad. How many others do you know about? Point still stands.
To start the ball rolling... Mo Salah, Gundogan, Ngolo Kante, Riyad Mahrez, Naby Keita, Said Benrahma, Kurt Zouma, Cheick Doucoure, Boubacar Kamara, Kalidou Koulibaly - just a few 'big names'. I think there are likely to be in the hundreds across all team squads in the Prem and EFL. I think QPR alone has 6 or 7 players across all squads (Chair and Dieng the only ones I know of). Statement from QPR - "During the month of April a number of QPR’s players are fasting during Ramadan. As a club it is important that everyone feels included and respected to practice their faith, without fear of judgement." As you say, perhaps it's personal choice. And it's the personal choice of clubs to support and respect their players by allowing them to take a couple of minutes to take on sustenance at sunset at an evening kick off. Really don't see the problem. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 20, 2023 10:58:40 GMT
Really don't see the problem. As Bill says, it can break up momentum that a team has built up, for one thing. Presumably the ref adds the time on at the end of the half for the stoppage? |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Apr 20, 2023 11:03:43 GMT
Great debate folks and even better to see it debated without it getting abusive. Let's face it, it can be an emotive subject and we are all a bit tetchy at the moment so fair play. Anyway, back to the word association thread  |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 20, 2023 11:04:13 GMT
The profit Mohamed is the least of this clubs problems
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 20, 2023 11:06:45 GMT
Follow the money is what you're saying? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 20, 2023 11:07:18 GMT
I got the problem bit right
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 20, 2023 11:08:07 GMT
Prophet for stan
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 20, 2023 11:09:35 GMT
And profit for our Essex speakers.
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