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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 16, 2023 12:35:15 GMT
Now that Les has gone would you rather just have a manager/head coach in overall charge of football matters?
Or do you still believe a club of our size actually needs a DoF with all the advantages as well as complications and expense that role can bring? Factoring in too the incompetence levels of our owners.
For context, apparently under half (11 out of the 24) Championship clubs currently employ a DoF.
Poll added.
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 16, 2023 12:47:32 GMT
We are actively interviewing for a direct replacement for Les apparently.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 16, 2023 13:05:35 GMT
Sorry for the typo on the 2nd poll option. Obviously should have been "No". (Won't let me edit it).
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 16, 2023 15:38:45 GMT
Slim things down. Less committee, more responsibility and accountability.
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Post by The General on Jun 16, 2023 16:08:59 GMT
We are actively interviewing for a direct replacement for Les apparently. It was only announced this morning Interviewing already Still think its MW |
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 16, 2023 16:17:05 GMT
We are actively interviewing for a direct replacement for Les apparently. It was only announced this morning Interviewing already Still think its MW Almost certain it's Gallen mate. |
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Post by West Acton on Jun 16, 2023 16:21:12 GMT
Think the fact Ainsworth has totally different opinion of what squad should look like actually reinforces the value of a DOF or we’re going build a team of lump it forwards players and if he goes then expect next man work with that squad.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 16, 2023 16:37:29 GMT
Maybe we can only afford to play Ainsworth’s way? If so, we need to get a few results and rebuild some confidence around the club before moving forward again. Let’s be honest, the only mentality that exists at the moment is a losing one.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jun 16, 2023 16:53:03 GMT
If we had a defined, long-term strategy, then no - can you imagine El Tel working under a DoF?
But if we are going to churn through managers left right and centre, then perhaps we do need one.
I suppose if we were to get a decent DoF then it will be a great idea. Get a crap one and it won't.
Who the f*** knows...?
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 16, 2023 16:59:29 GMT
If we had a defined, long-term strategy, then no - can you imagine El Tel working under a DoF? But if we are going to churn through managers left right and centre, then perhaps we do need one. I suppose if we were to get a decent DoF then it will be a great idea. Get a crap one and it won't. Who the f*** knows...? Take your points Loftus. I think the poll question is a bit more general. I'll try to rephrase it: Assuming a decent manager was already in place (granted jury is currently out on that!), would a club of our size and budget be better off with or without a DoF? |
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Post by West Acton on Jun 16, 2023 17:49:24 GMT
Don’t think it’s about having decent manager it’s the rate we go through them which is the defining issue.
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Post by acricketer on Jun 16, 2023 17:50:44 GMT
No his salary alone will cover the wages for a year of the 10 new signings we will make!
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Post by The General on Jun 16, 2023 18:17:06 GMT
Don’t think it’s about having decent manager it’s the rate we go through them which is the defining issue. The reason we go through them mate Is we have cocks choosing the wrong ones They need to do their homework And appoint an already successful manager Someone who has a record of promotion Someone who is a winner Until this happens we go in circles Use Les money go get your man |
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Post by The General on Jun 16, 2023 18:20:31 GMT
If you appoint the correct man
You go from being a shit club
To a good club with a new training ground
Its all about the right man in as manager
Fuck the Dof pay the peas for a great manager
Set the club up around him
We would have been promoted if its wasnt for Les
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Post by The General on Jun 16, 2023 18:25:19 GMT
Still believe Warbs was the right man
Great football but fell out with the Ego
Who then made it clear his days were numbered
Right in the middle of our promotion chase
All the players knew this and the manager
We collapsed because of internal politics
Let the manager manage
Thats what they did with warnock
Look how that ended up
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Post by The General on Jun 16, 2023 18:29:56 GMT
Look at Fulham
Appointed the correct man didnt they
Went from mid championship like us
To top 10 in premier league club
Amazing appointment
Everything our board is not
All about the right manager
Who you give the tools to do the job
We have appointed so many cheap managers
This is the clubs downfall for 10 yrs
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Post by The General on Jun 16, 2023 18:38:25 GMT
Nathan Jones would put you in the top 10
For starters even though i hate him
Div 1 managers will eventually equal
Div 1 football
Like if you only date ugly women
You will probably marry one in the end
Need to aim higher bat out of your league
Ambition we used to have it
We need to get it back
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Post by West Acton on Jun 16, 2023 18:58:10 GMT
If you appoint the correct man You go from being a shit club To a good club with a new training ground Its all about the right man in as manager Fuck the Dof pay the peas for a great manager Set the club up around him We would have been promoted if its wasnt for Les wish it was that easy mate |
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Post by James1979 on Jun 16, 2023 19:16:40 GMT
I don’t think we need a DoF but with a manage like Ainsworth we definitely do
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Post by The General on Jun 16, 2023 19:57:09 GMT
If you appoint the correct man You go from being a shit club To a good club with a new training ground Its all about the right man in as manager Fuck the Dof pay the peas for a great manager Set the club up around him We would have been promoted if its wasnt for Les wish it was that easy mate Just appoint the correct person One appointment why do hard You can clearly see the good managers Just farking buy one ffs |
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Post by West Acton on Jun 16, 2023 20:14:55 GMT
wish it was that easy mate Just appoint the correct person One appointment why do hard You can clearly see the good managers Just farking buy one ffs neil Warnock someone I think we can all agree as the right manager went middlesborough where there was a decent squad and done fuck all. Wilder at Middlesbrough and Watford was a car crash Potter at Chelsea. All decent highly thought of mangers failing at certain clubs. Need way more then decent manager you need right structure too in bulk of scenarios. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jun 16, 2023 20:34:04 GMT
Just appoint the correct person One appointment why do hard You can clearly see the good managers Just farking buy one ffs neil Warnock someone I think we can all agree as the right manager went middlesborough where there was a decent squad and done fuck all. Wilder at Middlesbrough and Watford was a car crash Potter at Chelsea. All decent highly thought of mangers failing at certain clubs. Need way more then decent manager you need right structure too in bulk of scenarios. Warnock 2nd time round had us playing and Ferdinand binned him for Jimmy Hasselbaink. Warnock would had us in or around the play offs as we were on a bit of a run. |
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Post by West Acton on Jun 16, 2023 20:45:26 GMT
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 16, 2023 21:19:19 GMT
I might take issue with Dave Mac there. Clubs have always had CEOs, no dispute there. However I think he's incorrectly conflating that job with a DoF. As said above, less then half of Championship clubs employ a DoF; and the size of the club also needs factoring into whether one is needed.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jun 17, 2023 17:01:13 GMT
Manager identifies players, CEO / Board deal with money and agents. Simple.
No need for a DoF IMO
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 17, 2023 17:09:30 GMT
Manager identifies players, CEO / Board deal with money and agents. Simple. No need for a DoF IMO How'd that work out between 2011 and 2014 mate? |
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 17, 2023 19:11:43 GMT
Manager identifies players, CEO / Board deal with money and agents. Simple. No need for a DoF IMO And then when we sack the manager, we buy new players for the new manager. A good DOF will have a style and discuss with the manager and then work to bring them in. A dof should work well, you just need a good one. |
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Post by West Acton on Jun 17, 2023 19:47:18 GMT
Manager identifies players, CEO / Board deal with money and agents. Simple. No need for a DoF IMO And then when we sack the manager, we buy new players for the new manager. A good DOF will have a style and discuss with the manager and then work to bring them in. A dof should work well, you just need a good one. exactly Will end up with a squad of 50+ players like we did in the dark days. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 17, 2023 21:53:27 GMT
Manager identifies players, CEO / Board deal with money and agents. Simple. No need for a DoF IMO And then when we sack the manager, we buy new players for the new manager. A good DOF will have a style and discuss with the manager and then work to bring them in. A dof should work well, you just need a good one. Why can’t a manager have his style and ask the club to bring in players he wants if they can afford them? Why does a club our size need a middle man? DOF gets it wrong and manager gets sacked doesn’t seem right to me. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 18, 2023 7:08:01 GMT
Al, I think part of the problem these days is the job of securing players in the top few divisions is more complex than in days gone by. In the Warnock era here there were still players in the game that started their careers without agents. Hence Warnock could get on the phone to 4 or 5 of his trusted senior players and say "I'm going to QPR, do you want to come with".
These days agents are tapping players up when they are still in academy football. I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that there are literally zero players we could realistically use in our first team who do not have a representative negotiating on their behalf. And most of them won't want to be discussing contracts etc. They want their agent to do all of that. This means that securing a signature of a player is a far more complex operation as they have a seasoned negotiator ensuring that a.) the contract is as good as it can and b.) any other club that might be interested is also given the opportunity to put an offer/contract on the table.
And this is just one example I can think of, I'm sure there are lots of other ways the game has become more complex that I'm unaware of. The bottom line is there is too much work for a Manager to do in the modern professional era to just have a Brian Clough style character who does everything and only bothers the chairman when he needs some money. Clubs need to break things down into dedicated staff for the playing side and for the commercial side.
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