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Post by shepherdsmush on Jul 6, 2023 17:12:32 GMT
As long as we have more than one way of playing, ie change it up when we need to and be a bit canny, then I dont really care about the overall style of play.
Far too long we've been worked out far too easily by most teams we've played.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 10, 2023 13:04:18 GMT
Average age of the squad now 25.7
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 10, 2023 16:19:52 GMT
Average age of the squad now 25.7 Many complaining squad is now too old. Does this counter that argument? Or is it that average age of the starting 11 has gone up?
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Post by West Acton on Aug 10, 2023 16:25:25 GMT
Average age is irrelevant if the youngsters are not good enough it’s simply a statistic.
My personal dilemma is not signing over 30s I don’t care if they are good enough. My problem is we were told to survive we need develop players and sell them on. If we got no youth coming through then how we going survive? Cant see any bids to keep us afloat coming in For Albert or Cook.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 10, 2023 16:40:01 GMT
Average age is irrelevant if the youngsters are not good enough it’s simply a statistic. My personal dilemma is not signing over 30s I don’t care if they are good enough. My problem is we were told to survive we need develop players and sell them on. If we got no youth coming through then how we going survive? Cant see any bids to keep us afloat coming in For Albert or Cook. It's a valid concern, but seems to have been addressed in other threads - the gist of which is basically: That model has been thrown out of the window for this season (at least), because the even bigger priority is to stay in the division.
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Post by James1979 on Aug 10, 2023 16:41:42 GMT
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Post by sparks on Aug 10, 2023 18:43:20 GMT
Average age is irrelevant if the youngsters are not good enough it’s simply a statistic. My personal dilemma is not signing over 30s I don’t care if they are good enough. My problem is we were told to survive we need develop players and sell them on. If we got no youth coming through then how we going survive? Cant see any bids to keep us afloat coming in For Albert or Cook. It's a valid concern, but seems to have been addressed in other threads - the gist of which is basically: That model has been thrown out of the window for this season (at least), because the even bigger priority is to stay in the division. Agree with West Acton about age, it’s more about the type of players that have been brought in. Where is our identity as a club now under Ainsworth?
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 10, 2023 19:22:38 GMT
Where is our identity as a club now under Ainsworth? The short answer is there isn't one. As Tarbie says, a more pragmatic needs-must approach is now the order of the day. IOW the 'identity of the club' is retain championship status by whatever means necessary. Have we regressed over the past 12 years? That's a different question, to which the answer is an emphatic YES, pretty much season after season.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 10, 2023 19:36:49 GMT
Average age is irrelevant if the youngsters are not good enough it’s simply a statistic. My personal dilemma is not signing over 30s I don’t care if they are good enough. My problem is we were told to survive we need develop players and sell them on. If we got no youth coming through then how we going survive? Cant see any bids to keep us afloat coming in For Albert or Cook. Agree with that - shows we have failed from top to bottom with the whole project. Complete rebuild which will have to be funded as it won’t pay for itself for at least 5 years.
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Post by Shania on Aug 10, 2023 19:40:12 GMT
GA and Dobbo have both said they are prepared to play different systems.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 10, 2023 19:48:50 GMT
GA and Dobbo have both said they are prepared to play different systems. At the same time? Wouldn’t bet against it 😂
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 2, 2023 16:47:51 GMT
5-4-1 this season under GA
Seems to be working pretty well
Boro had no answer to it today.
Seems a very solid formation which some teams struggle to break down.
Also look like we have the players to suit it. So at least we have a semblance of a game plan.
Good to see players buying into it also, and seem very much behind not just the system but the manager too.
The question marks that remain:
1. How we adapt to going behind in games.
2. Lack of viable firepower up front.
Be very interesting to see how we cope with these shortcomings in the coming months...
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Post by West Acton on Sept 2, 2023 16:49:12 GMT
In fairness the football has not been overly direct. Play some tidy stuff when we have it.
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Post by Corbray on Sept 2, 2023 17:03:03 GMT
players have improved under him too. dozzell looks like a new signing, and dare i say it one of our best players so far which feels really fucking weird lol.
armstrong is being played to his strengths and even when he's not doing much he still leads the line very well as defenders are terrified of his strength and pace.
kakay looks like a championship standard CB in a back 3 and brings so much to the team.
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Post by West Acton on Sept 5, 2023 11:21:57 GMT
There was another thread about this graph but can’t recall which one.
What this graph tells me is it’s a load of shit as Preston are now below us but top of the league.
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Post by 1qprdk on Sept 5, 2023 19:57:13 GMT
There was another thread about this graph but can’t recall which one. What this graph tells me is it’s a load of shit as Preston are now below us but top of the league. Spot on. That graph means fuck all.
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Post by acricketer on Sept 5, 2023 20:24:25 GMT
Preston haven't played anyone Fast & Direct yet.
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Post by hubble on Sept 6, 2023 8:38:18 GMT
Fucking stats. We're drowning in them these days. Does anyone of a certain age (i.e. most of us on here) remember any of this kind of shit back in the day? The football was just as good and I reckon the craic was better. Too much tech I tell you. I can't techno satisfaction.
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Post by Corbray on Sept 6, 2023 8:53:54 GMT
Fucking stats. We're drowning in them these days. Does anyone of a certain age (i.e. most of us on here) remember any of this kind of shit back in the day? The football was just as good and I reckon the craic was better. Too much tech I tell you. I can't techno satisfaction. i'm only 30 but even when i was a kid it was a lot more basic. the only stuff you'd see was G/A, CS, shots, possession % and corners lol. my dad said that when he was a kid it was just goals and cleansheets. personally though i do quite like the stats side of thing. its just the way football is now and its all about those fine margins and having an edge on the other team. can you imagine how good a team would have been in the 80s if they had all these stats and analysis at hand to prepare? it'd have been mental imo.
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Post by hubble on Sept 6, 2023 9:16:29 GMT
Fucking stats. We're drowning in them these days. Does anyone of a certain age (i.e. most of us on here) remember any of this kind of shit back in the day? The football was just as good and I reckon the craic was better. Too much tech I tell you. I can't techno satisfaction. i'm only 30 but even when i was a kid it was a lot more basic. the only stuff you'd see was G/A, CS, shots, possession % and corners lol. my dad said that when he was a kid it was just goals and cleansheets. personally though i do quite like the stats side of thing. its just the way football is now and its all about those fine margins and having an edge on the other team. can you imagine how good a team would have been in the 80s if they had all these stats and analysis at hand to prepare? it'd have been mental imo. I think the main thing that would have made a difference is modern pitches.
I can understand what you say about loving the stats side of things, Corbs, it's very 'modern geek' (I don't mean that as a slight, more an observation on how humans are being molded into more and more visual/mind-dominated creatures). But for every 'gain' there is an equal and opposite loss. How would our beloved mavericks like Stanley Bowles have fitted into the modern ethos? A fag and a flutter before the game, several pints after? And football was more equal in those days, more inclusive; we could relate to the blokes on the pitch because they weren't paid that much more than us, and what's more, you could find some of them down your local pub.
The word 'Luddite' is always taken as a perjorative, but I have always empathised with their cause. Seeing your ancient trade being stolen from you by machines is ironically a very modern issue. And I'm with the Luddites, I think tech is taking us in a dark direction and I'm hoping there will eventually be a backlash. Right, I'm off for some non-league football, a pie and a pint!
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Post by sparks on Sept 6, 2023 9:32:55 GMT
I’m not so sure about these new pitches Hubble.
The Dorking manager gave a scathing interview yesterday saying it’s 100% clear that 4G pitches are a major reason why ACL injuries are so high and rising.
From memory ours and most other clubs are 3G and are still made up of stitching in strands of plastic?
Either players are softer nowadays or these new pitches are having some contributing effect too.
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Post by Corbray on Sept 6, 2023 9:54:20 GMT
i'm only 30 but even when i was a kid it was a lot more basic. the only stuff you'd see was G/A, CS, shots, possession % and corners lol. my dad said that when he was a kid it was just goals and cleansheets. personally though i do quite like the stats side of thing. its just the way football is now and its all about those fine margins and having an edge on the other team. can you imagine how good a team would have been in the 80s if they had all these stats and analysis at hand to prepare? it'd have been mental imo. I think the main thing that would have made a difference is modern pitches.
I can understand what you say about loving the stats side of things, Corbs, it's very 'modern geek' (I don't mean that as a slight, more an observation on how humans are being molded into more and more visual/mind-dominated creatures). But for every 'gain' there is an equal and opposite loss. How would our beloved mavericks like Stanley Bowles have fitted into the modern ethos? A fag and a flutter before the game, several pints after? And football was more equal in those days, more inclusive; we could relate to the blokes on the pitch because they weren't paid that much more than us, and what's more, you could find some of them down your local pub.
The word 'Luddite' is always taken as a perjorative, but I have always empathised with their cause. Seeing your ancient trade being stolen from you by machines is ironically a very modern issue. And I'm with the Luddites, I think tech is taking us in a dark direction and I'm hoping there will eventually be a backlash. Right, I'm off for some non-league football, a pie and a pint!
i fully agree with all of that tbh, the massive influx of money in football has tarnished the culture around it and arguebly taken personality out of the game. players have to be so unbelievably professional nowadays if they want even a modicum of success. look at the maverick players that we have had in recent times, players like taarabt, ben arfa, shaqiri and balloteli etc. rather than appreciate what they can do (albeit when they can be bothered) its always "oh they could have been so good if they were more professional." its just the way football is today, there is so much at stake and so much competition that clubs have no choice but to treat their players like prized assetts and control every aspect of their life. its bled out into fans too, we put players on a pedastal and revere them as demi-god like figures but the moment they do something stupid we kick that pedastal out from underneath them and label them as being troublemakers even when its as innocuous and common as having a fight on a nightout. but yeah, i do like the stats side of things in football. i like researching into the playstyles of players we're linked with and working out how they will fit into our side, what their strengths and weaknesses are and if they have the potential to kick on and improve. btw the term you're looking for isn't 'geeky' its 'hipster' . some hipster fans like football daily can be insufferable with xG and all the other expected things a player can bring. stats is something i've always felt the club need to use more of as being smart is the only way a small club like ours could ever hope to compete with the bigger clubs in the way brentford and brighton have done. big clubs have a lot more wiggle room with the players they can bring in as money simply isn't an issue for them but a team like ours needs to be resourceful and do our due diligence to find diamonds in the rough to polish up.
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Post by hubble on Sept 6, 2023 10:08:12 GMT
I think 'modern-geek' sums it up perfectly, Corbs. The hipster thing is surely fashion-based, as opposed to being facts and figures-based?
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 6, 2023 10:16:43 GMT
I can see many sides to these arguments. I’ve had a lager with Stan in the North Pole before he clocked on for a game. There is no way they were as fit in those days but two things - they were tougher and the game was slower. Now we expect, and see, players to be as quick on 90 minutes as they were on 9. Not us of course😁 As for tougher I really think that ‘looking to go down’ leads to some injuries. The old adage was go in hard or you’ll get hurt. The way they hang limp legs out nowadays is asking for trouble. Blades on boots? Really a good idea for twisting and turning quickly? As for stats, they have become an obsession. Clearly a place for some but we do have stats for stats sake. When endless passing across the back line going nowhere counts as possession you have to question some of them.
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Post by hubble on Sept 6, 2023 10:19:36 GMT
I’m not so sure about these new pitches Hubble. The Dorking manager gave a scathing interview yesterday saying it’s 100% clear that 4G pitches are a major reason why ACL injuries are so high and rising. From memory ours and most other clubs are 3G and are still made up of stitching in strands of plastic? Either players are softer nowadays or these new pitches are having some contributing effect too.
I have no idea what 4G pitches are, Sparks, but you know what I mean: flat, flawless pitches would have made a big difference compared to the quagmires of yesteryear, I'm sure you agree.
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Post by sparks on Sept 6, 2023 10:45:04 GMT
I’m not so sure about these new pitches Hubble. The Dorking manager gave a scathing interview yesterday saying it’s 100% clear that 4G pitches are a major reason why ACL injuries are so high and rising. From memory ours and most other clubs are 3G and are still made up of stitching in strands of plastic? Either players are softer nowadays or these new pitches are having some contributing effect too.
I have no idea what 4G pitches are, Sparks, but you know what I mean: flat, flawless pitches would have made a big difference compared to the quagmires of yesteryear, I'm sure you agree.
Yes I know what you mean Hubble. I just checked what 4G and 3G pitches mean, the G signify the generation and how much artificial material is used The Loftus Rd pitch is called a Desso pitch with just 3% artificial material used to make up natural grasses and classed as a hybrid pitch. www.pitchcare.com/news-media/good-things-come-to-those-who-wait-at-queens-park-rangers.html
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Post by Shania on Sept 9, 2023 12:12:08 GMT
Just a thought; now that we struggle to win on the small pitch at Loftus Road, maybe it wouldn`t be the end of the world if the club eventually decide to move on from it.
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 9, 2023 13:10:10 GMT
Just a thought; now that we struggle to win on the small pitch at Loftus Road, maybe it wouldn`t be the end of the world if the club eventually decide to move on from it. It’s even smaller this season Shania
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 20, 2023 16:32:01 GMT
Thought we were better when we went to a flat back four last night. I'm a fan of the three with wing backs, but our wing backs didn't get forward much. The geezers in the middle are good enough to play as a pair with full backs. Extra body in midfield or up front might help.
Thought we were shite throughout, mind. Dreadful.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 29, 2023 10:36:41 GMT
whoever comes in (looks like it'll be warnock) what kind of style can you see us playing? there were a FEW times under gaz where we looked pretty good, direct yes but not in a hoofball sense.
with the players we have here i do feel like we could play a much more pleasing style of football. i'm not suggesting we have it in us to play tiki taka football but all of gaz' signings are competent enough on the ball to do something.
4231 and 433's haven't worked out for us in the past for whatever reason but imo we should have the players to play either style.
in a 4231 we could easily line up like:
begovic cannon cook dunne paal colback field smyth willock chair dykes/armstrong
in a 433 you drop willock and play dozzell in the center. i'm a big fan of smyth since he re-signed with us, he works hard, has pace and always looks lively and direct down the line.
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