72bus
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Post by 72bus on Aug 5, 2023 21:12:07 GMT
Bottom line is we just ain't good enough, players strolling around, not tracking back . Kakay wouldn't get in my Sunday team , his positional play is really really bad. Smyth , kelman , gubbins , Dozzell just ain't good enough . Watford bullied us , passed around us , were clinical in front of goal . Closed down chair as soon as he got the ball where we just sat off their play maker Lousa . On another day they would have got 7/8.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Aug 5, 2023 21:13:24 GMT
I'm so fucking down tonight. I'd be pissed off losing 4-0 in any case but to lose the way we did, zero fight, is criminal and makes it worse. Already resigned to relegation before the season started and this first game hasn't done anything to change my mind.
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 5, 2023 21:22:10 GMT
I'm so fucking down tonight. I'd be pissed off losing 4-0 in any case but to lose the way we did, zero fight, is criminal and makes it worse. Already resigned to relegation before the season started and this first game hasn't done anything to change my mind. Shocking as a football club that relegation is allowed to be deemed acceptable before we kick a ball. Can someone please explain the following, 1 why are the board putting 2 million a month to keep us afloat when the result is what we saw today. 2. How can the said board be happy with this managers performance on the touchline and in front of a camera. None of it makes sense to me.
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Post by acricketer on Aug 5, 2023 21:22:14 GMT
I'll earn you a fortune this season
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Post by sparks on Aug 5, 2023 21:36:53 GMT
I'm so fucking down tonight. I'd be pissed off losing 4-0 in any case but to lose the way we did, zero fight, is criminal and makes it worse. Already resigned to relegation before the season started and this first game hasn't done anything to change my mind. Shocking as a football club that relegation is allowed to be deemed acceptable before we kick a ball. Can someone please explain the following, 1 why are the board putting 2 million a month to keep us afloat when the result is what we saw today. 2. How can the said board be happy with this managers performance on the touchline and in front of a camera. None of it makes sense to me. 1 The owners have completed a commercial and housing development= A form of getting some of their money back 2 Plenty of articles around explaining why the Yanks are targeting particular football clubs, normally clubs down on their knees= Us
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 5, 2023 22:05:33 GMT
Shocking as a football club that relegation is allowed to be deemed acceptable before we kick a ball. Can someone please explain the following, 1 why are the board putting 2 million a month to keep us afloat when the result is what we saw today. 2. How can the said board be happy with this managers performance on the touchline and in front of a camera. None of it makes sense to me. 1 The owners have completed a commercial and housing development= A form of getting some of their money back 2 Plenty of articles around explaining why the Yanks are targeting particular football clubs, normally clubs down on their knees= Us Sparks. Would it be worth 2 million a moth to them? Just do not get it at all. Their investment is worthless as things stand
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Post by James1979 on Aug 5, 2023 22:08:41 GMT
Who was behind hiring the idiot? If it’s the board then they’ll have to stand by him for some time now.
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Post by sparks on Aug 5, 2023 22:14:12 GMT
1 The owners have completed a commercial and housing development= A form of getting some of their money back 2 Plenty of articles around explaining why the Yanks are targeting particular football clubs, normally clubs down on their knees= Us Sparks. Would it be worth 2 million a moth to them? Just do not get it at all. Their investment is worthless as things stand I don’t see it being virtually worthless 73 Last season they spent 2m per month but that’s nearly double of average season as training ground was 10m..new training ground makes a sale to investor more appealing. How much do you think club is worth in sale?
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Post by sparks on Aug 5, 2023 22:14:41 GMT
Who was behind hiring the idiot? If it’s the board then they’ll have to stand by him for some time now. Amit picked Ainsworth according to Dave McIntyre
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 6, 2023 0:16:51 GMT
Sparks. Would it be worth 2 million a moth to them? Just do not get it at all. Their investment is worthless as things stand I don’t see it being virtually worthless 73 Last season they spent 2m per month but that’s nearly double of average season as training ground was 10m..new training ground makes a sale to investor more appealing. How much do you think club is worth in sale? Training ground cost £20m is my understanding Sparks. Also what many forget is 1/3 of it is owned by QPR fans and outside investors and it would never have been built had it not been for that backing.
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Aug 6, 2023 0:22:34 GMT
Sorry Charlie thinking what we all and that is wtf is going on?
Club screwed him over on his return as well, well known he fell out with Les.
We are a joke right now.
Scary thing now is GA keeps saying only one or two players coming in. We need at least 4 or maybe half a dozen.
Kakay can not be our first choice rb, at least another cb, cm, and striker all needed to stand any chance of competing.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Aug 6, 2023 2:05:27 GMT
Brought myself to watch the highlights just now and, despite not really looking for any, found a couple of things to be somewhat positive about. Believe me, I'm still pissed off with the result and overall lack of giving a shit but here they are anyway. Begovic. Conceded 4, sure, and could have done better with the third goal especially. But with that defence (or lack of) in front of him, didn't really have a chance. Nevertheless, made a string of very good saves and I feel more confident with him in goal than I did Dieng. Mad to say that after a 4-0 loss but still. Sinclair Armstrong. The only player I'd say showed a bit of stomach and fight about him. Has his limits sure, but as a sub can make an impact coming on. Might've pulled a consolation back if the other fuckers had bothered chasing the game with him. Stephen Duke-McKenna. Did well when he came on, looked handy.
I'll probably get shot down for finding anything to be remotely positive about and fair play if I do. Just my take.
As an aside, I'd cash in on Chair now. He was absolute dogshit, not because he IS shit, but because he clearly doesn't give a shit. Walked about most of what I saw. And that's not just based on this game, he's been the same since last year's world cup. Use the money to get a couple more in that might make a bit of a effort. We'll get more for him now than if we sold in January or when we go down (if his contract isn't already up). Subs from Gaz came far too fucking late. Elijah and Willock on in the 97th minute? You're having a fucking laugh.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 6, 2023 6:10:00 GMT
Dunne was in the away end I wonder what he will report back to the squad of the away ends feelings and just what it’s actually like to watch this shower from the stands.
When Your on the pitch in might feel like your giving 100% but surely he can tell them guys from the away end you were all well short.
Biggest disappointments were Kelman and Smyth neither should have been starting so massive opportunity to say look at me this is my shirt. Both turd. How he thought both starting was the right thing is simply baffling.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Aug 6, 2023 6:10:31 GMT
I hope the game didn't tell all the truth where we stand atm. Obviously we are fragile and conceding after 40 seconds didn't do us any favour. Let's see what happens when we keep clean sheet for a little longer.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 6, 2023 6:31:20 GMT
I hope the game didn't tell all the truth where we stand atm. Obviously we are fragile and conceding after 40 seconds didn't do us any favour. Let's see what happens when we keep clean sheet for a little longer. Don’t think 50 secs will make much of a difference
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 6, 2023 6:43:25 GMT
Brought myself to watch the highlights just now and, despite not really looking for any, found a couple of things to be somewhat positive about. Believe me, I'm still pissed off with the result and overall lack of giving a shit but here they are anyway. Begovic. Conceded 4, sure, and could have done better with the third goal especially. But with that defence (or lack of) in front of him, didn't really have a chance. Nevertheless, made a string of very good saves and I feel more confident with him in goal than I did Dieng. Mad to say that after a 4-0 loss but still. Sinclair Armstrong. The only player I'd say showed a bit of stomach and fight about him. Has his limits sure, but as a sub can make an impact coming on. Might've pulled a consolation back if the other fuckers had bothered chasing the game with him. Stephen Duke-McKenna. Did well when he came on, looked handy. I'll probably get shot down for finding anything to be remotely positive about and fair play if I do. Just my take. As an aside, I'd cash in on Chair now. He was absolute dogshit, not because he IS shit, but because he clearly doesn't give a shit. Walked about most of what I saw. And that's not just based on this game, he's been the same since last year's world cup. Use the money to get a couple more in that might make a bit of a effort. We'll get more for him now than if we sold in January or when we go down (if his contract isn't already up). Subs from Gaz came far too fucking late. Elijah and Willock on in the 97th minute? You're having a fucking laugh. Fair play to you Ginge. Totally agree on Chair time to move on and swiftly. These players are rotten as this is not some kind of one off as 4 managers have had these bollockless performances. Ainsworth is not good enough for this league and that is clear to see but to fair to him and the 3 managers before he is not spoilt for characters on the pitch. Willock needs moving on and quickly and any funds raised should be used to bring a ugly players who will instill some guts on the pitch.
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Post by Shania on Aug 6, 2023 6:50:41 GMT
He can dress it up all he likes but the way he set up the team from the start was totally naive.
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Post by sparks on Aug 6, 2023 7:43:09 GMT
I don’t see it being virtually worthless 73 Last season they spent 2m per month but that’s nearly double of average season as training ground was 10m..new training ground makes a sale to investor more appealing. How much do you think club is worth in sale? Training ground cost £20m is my understanding Sparks. Also what many forget is 1/3 of it is owned by QPR fans and outside investors and it would never have been built had it not been for that backing. Ok Stan, that may well be the overall cost of the training ground but what I’m trying to get across is the reported 2m per month is a red herring to a certain degree. Latest accounts clearly show training ground as 10m in the cost/loss section so I would assume another 10m will be added to the next set of figures now it’s built.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 6, 2023 8:25:09 GMT
Brought myself to watch the highlights just now and, despite not really looking for any, found a couple of things to be somewhat positive about. Believe me, I'm still pissed off with the result and overall lack of giving a shit but here they are anyway. Begovic. Conceded 4, sure, and could have done better with the third goal especially. But with that defence (or lack of) in front of him, didn't really have a chance. Nevertheless, made a string of very good saves and I feel more confident with him in goal than I did Dieng. Mad to say that after a 4-0 loss but still. Sinclair Armstrong. The only player I'd say showed a bit of stomach and fight about him. Has his limits sure, but as a sub can make an impact coming on. Might've pulled a consolation back if the other fuckers had bothered chasing the game with him. Stephen Duke-McKenna. Did well when he came on, looked handy. I'll probably get shot down for finding anything to be remotely positive about and fair play if I do. Just my take. As an aside, I'd cash in on Chair now. He was absolute dogshit, not because he IS shit, but because he clearly doesn't give a shit. Walked about most of what I saw. And that's not just based on this game, he's been the same since last year's world cup. Use the money to get a couple more in that might make a bit of a effort. We'll get more for him now than if we sold in January or when we go down (if his contract isn't already up). Subs from Gaz came far too fucking late. Elijah and Willock on in the 97th minute? You're having a fucking laugh. That’s all very fair. A pro club that fails on the basics just isn’t acceptable. Covering for team mates, picking up runners, supporting and creating - nothing. Armstrong chased down a hopeful ball and nobody busted a gut to get anywhere near him. We made it so easy for Watford. Best chance we had fell to Dykes and he did his usual of not getting anything behind it and passed it to the keeper. Ainsworth should be made to publicly explain the Willock substitution. Laughable.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 6, 2023 8:56:00 GMT
Training ground cost £20m is my understanding Sparks. Also what many forget is 1/3 of it is owned by QPR fans and outside investors and it would never have been built had it not been for that backing. Ok Stan, that may well be the overall cost of the training ground but what I’m trying to get across is the reported 2m per month is a red herring to a certain degree. Latest accounts clearly show training ground as 10m in the cost/loss section so I would assume another 10m will be added to the next set of figures now it’s built. £3,200,000 I'd imagine as £6,800,000 is from the fans and investors' bond scheme.
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Post by jfrabbit on Aug 6, 2023 9:35:19 GMT
Just woken up after getting in at 1am steaming and realised it wasn’t a nightmare it had.
What a fucking shambles eh lads.
Wasn’t even in the ground when the first went in. On the first day of the season we concede after 33 seconds 🤣🤣🤣 so fucking QPR
I’ve been sympathetic to Ainsworth due to the fact that I think the problems are way higher than him and him not being the right fit for the job isn’t his fault at the end of the day, but I must say that fucking lineup is indefensible and atrocious.
I don’t know what he was thinking with that lineup.
The only glimmer of hope I saw yesterday was second half we actually dug in a little bit but let’s be honest that’s because Watford had already killed us off.
As I said last week I really wasn’t up for the start of the season and now even more so. Usually go to every game but I won’t even be entertaining Cardiff next week. Fuck that.
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72bus
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Post by 72bus on Aug 6, 2023 9:35:57 GMT
Ainsworth line up was bizarre to say the least. I imagine he picked it on who he thought would put in the most effort. Smyth and kelman did nothing and looked weak. Every fan I talk to doesn't know how kakay gets in the team. He loses his marker every time time , in fact he can't mark . He gets drawn into following the ball and has no positional sense/awareness. I'd like ainsworth to explain those late subs , but he won't. Also time for chair and willock to go but have we had any bids . Willock should be ashamed of himself, he was given a talent and has downed tools , believe me when u play football it don't go on forever. I wouldn't sign him if I was given a video of his performances from the 2nd half of last season.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 6, 2023 9:36:56 GMT
Ainsworth should be made to publicly explain the Willock substitution. Laughable. Made same point throughout match thread. His reply would be we were away from home so decided to go more cautious, and hindsight is 20/20 etc, no doubt.
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Post by sparks on Aug 6, 2023 9:40:01 GMT
Ok Stan, that may well be the overall cost of the training ground but what I’m trying to get across is the reported 2m per month is a red herring to a certain degree. Latest accounts clearly show training ground as 10m in the cost/loss section so I would assume another 10m will be added to the next set of figures now it’s built. £3,200,000 I'd imagine as £6,800,000 is from the fans and investors' bond scheme. Yes, now I see what your point is 👍
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Post by itsonlyagame on Aug 6, 2023 9:44:20 GMT
Not itk but think Willock is as good as gone. Where to is anyone’s guess.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 6, 2023 9:46:24 GMT
Look at chair for the second and third goal.
Second they pass round him, zero effort from him to get in and he’s walking while they attack. Third short corner he strolls out with Paal instead of sprinting and dictating to Watford what they can do with ball.
As for Ainsworth saying will have a plan for every team and are good at set pieces whose idea was it to put the smallest man on the pitch Smyth on one of the biggest who scored with his head for third goal.
Absolute amateur park standard football decisions.
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Post by sparks on Aug 6, 2023 9:46:41 GMT
This is not meant as a dig to anyone but are we going to have another season of blaming individual players rather than thinking our choice of manager v the players we’ve got or stuck with don’t match?
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Post by Shania on Aug 6, 2023 9:53:41 GMT
Chair still runs with his head down. No wonder he`s still at QPR. Not saying we haven`t been lucky to have him, but anyway.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 6, 2023 9:55:29 GMT
This is not meant as a dig to anyone but are we going to have another season of blaming individual players rather than thinking our choice of manager v the players we’ve got or stuck with don’t match? I think it’s pretty clear most think we’ve got the wrong manager but players have to take responsibility for not playing the game properly. A pro should know about runners, chasing back to cover etc.
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Post by sparks on Aug 6, 2023 10:00:00 GMT
This is not meant as a dig to anyone but are we going to have another season of blaming individual players rather than thinking our choice of manager v the players we’ve got or stuck with don’t match? I think it’s pretty clear most think we’ve got the wrong manager but players have to take responsibility for not playing the game properly. A pro should know about runners, chasing back to cover etc. Would you agree if you did your research on Willock and Chair it would be fair to say that they are not known to be chasing back etc For me you take players like them because they are possible match winners.
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