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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 13, 2023 17:56:49 GMT
Only racial abuse I see at qpr was to Tony Roberts, and he was useless sesh fat cant so it not a untruth that aS sung to him
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Ferdinand
Oct 13, 2023 18:24:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 18:24:06 GMT
There was a period where there were undertones on the message boards because fans thought the club was recruiting to suit an agenda rather than bring the best we could afford into the club but, if in that period, Tim Sherwood had shown up - one of Les’ and Ramsey’s mates - there would have been uproar about him too. Whatever the reasons behind it, we did buy a considerable amount of Black players compared to White players over the last few years of Les' reign as DoF and there were rumours from very good sources that this was his plan and one of the reasons why he fell out with Warburton. |
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Oct 13, 2023 18:31:46 GMT
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Post by James1979 on Oct 13, 2023 18:31:46 GMT
What he also seems to gloss over is that he was made Director of Football at a Premier League club with hardly any experience. Based on his experience he was in no way deserving of that position.
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Ferdinand
Oct 13, 2023 18:35:02 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 13, 2023 18:35:02 GMT
I wonder if our Asian owners will distance the club from his comments?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 13, 2023 18:48:27 GMT
Again in a country that the population is mostly white,we have a huge percentage of non white folk in tv , sport politics in all life walks, but u look at a country with the population the other way I can safely say it not the same the other way. So how is the racism in any form
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Oct 14, 2023 10:57:23 GMT
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Post by Bill on Oct 14, 2023 10:57:23 GMT
Uuuuuummmm thicker than i thought he was!!!
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 14, 2023 12:57:56 GMT
Did he not say we were one of the most diverse and inclusive clubs in football when he was DoF? Bitter little man isn't he?
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Post by Vespa on Oct 14, 2023 23:56:14 GMT
I remember he complained about racism when he first broke into the team but Loftus Rd is a very different place these days. I haven't heard any racist chants for years. ive been going to Rangers since 1981 , and ive never once heard the anti black chants you heard at many clubs in the 80s , notably Chelsea and Charlton in London |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 18, 2024 19:30:02 GMT
My favourite Italian car. Spotted today by BrightonR in his taxi.....  |
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Ferdinand
Apr 19, 2024 10:48:32 GMT
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Post by The General on Apr 19, 2024 10:48:32 GMT
He obsessed with racism mate
All he farking goes on about
Such a cock
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 19, 2024 10:54:54 GMT
He obsessed with racism mate All he farking goes on about Such a cock Racism has perhaps improved in the last 30 or 40 years, but it still goes on to an unacceptable level. If he's lived with it all his life and sees it still going on, then he's perfectly entitled to go on about it. You could also say he's obligated to call it out. If people don't speak out and act, things won't improve. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Apr 19, 2024 11:16:01 GMT
My favourite Italian car. Spotted today by BrightonR in his taxi..... View AttachmentBrilliant 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Apr 19, 2024 12:02:40 GMT
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Post by itsonlyagame on Apr 19, 2024 12:02:40 GMT
He obsessed with racism mate All he farking goes on about Such a cock Racism has perhaps improved in the last 30 or 40 years, but it still goes on to an unacceptable level. If he's lived with it all his life and sees it still going on, then he's perfectly entitled to go on about it. You could also say he's obligated to call it out. If people don't speak out and act, things won't improve. I don’t think there’s any perhaps about it. Definitely is a more accurate assessment. Still a way to go but those constantly obsessing over it are probably doing as much damage to the cause as good. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 19, 2024 12:06:49 GMT
Anyone on the receiving end would "obsess" over it. There is a video on today's Daily Mail (hardly a left wing propaganda sheet) showing some white thugs abusing a black girl on a tube train calling her and some other passengers "foreign cunts". Is it "obsessing" for her to raise this?
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Post by Corbray on Apr 19, 2024 12:11:20 GMT
He obsessed with racism mate All he farking goes on about Such a cock Racism has perhaps improved in the last 30 or 40 years, but it still goes on to an unacceptable level. If he's lived with it all his life and sees it still going on, then he's perfectly entitled to go on about it. You could also say he's obligated to call it out. If people don't speak out and act, things won't improve. thing is with les though is he implied that our fanbase didn't get behind him as we were potentially racist. i'm as liberal as they come but that doesn't sit right with me as not once did i ever hear the topic of his skin colour come up regarding his aptitude for the job. that goes across all social media and at the stadium and imo is a disgusting thing for les to imply. we're football fans and 99% of football fans including the racist ones don't care where someone's from as long as they do well. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 19, 2024 12:48:42 GMT
Racism has perhaps improved in the last 30 or 40 years, but it still goes on to an unacceptable level. If he's lived with it all his life and sees it still going on, then he's perfectly entitled to go on about it. You could also say he's obligated to call it out. If people don't speak out and act, things won't improve. thing is with les though is he implied that our fanbase didn't get behind him as we were potentially racist. i'm as liberal as they come but that doesn't sit right with me as not once did i ever hear the topic of his skin colour come up regarding his aptitude for the job. that goes across all social media and at the stadium and imo is a disgusting thing for les to imply. we're football fans and 99% of football fans including the racist ones don't care where someone's from as long as they do well. If he did say that then agree with you that would be unfair. Would need to see the quote but I thought (?) he was talking more generally about racism in football rather than at QPR specifically. Might be wrong? There were a few suggestions among fans that he employed certain people like Jimmy Floyd and the PE teacher for reasons other than footballing ability. This might have pissed him off. Agree he was a much loved player and don't think any fan I know has ever criticised him for being black. But then we are not Les so we don't know what might have been said to him either to his face or online. He has always come across as very dignified to me and not exactly a political activist or would stoke something up for the attention or whatever. |
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Post by The General on Apr 19, 2024 12:52:40 GMT
Its not just white people who are racist some black people are just as bad and even worse he needs to wind his farking neck in.
He comes across as having a massive chip on his shoulder and shouting his bollox every week outlining its only white people
There is Racism in all creeds end of story
Maybe he should go to Italy or Turkey or France where it is much worse
Sick of this bloke and his big gob
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 19, 2024 12:53:09 GMT
He was a shit DOF, same as Ainsworth was a shit manager. He wasn’t a shit black DOF and Ainsworth wasn’t a shit white manager.
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Post by The General on Apr 19, 2024 12:53:18 GMT
In addition to the above he fucked our club for every penny
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Apr 19, 2024 12:56:13 GMT
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Post by itsonlyagame on Apr 19, 2024 12:56:13 GMT
Anyone on the receiving end would "obsess" over it. There is a video on today's Daily Mail (hardly a left wing propaganda sheet) showing some white thugs abusing a black girl on a tube train calling her and some other passengers "foreign cunts". Is it "obsessing" for her to raise this? If you’re asking me whether I think she’s right to take issue with it, call it out, take action etc then that’s a bit of a dumb arsed question tbh. |
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Apr 19, 2024 13:00:35 GMT
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Post by Corbray on Apr 19, 2024 13:00:35 GMT
thing is with les though is he implied that our fanbase didn't get behind him as we were potentially racist. i'm as liberal as they come but that doesn't sit right with me as not once did i ever hear the topic of his skin colour come up regarding his aptitude for the job. that goes across all social media and at the stadium and imo is a disgusting thing for les to imply. we're football fans and 99% of football fans including the racist ones don't care where someone's from as long as they do well. If he did say that then agree with you that would be unfair. Would need to see the quote but I thought (?) he was talking more generally about racism in football rather than at QPR specifically. Might be wrong? There were a few suggestions among fans that he employed certain people like Jimmy Floyd and the PE teacher for reasons other than footballing ability. This might have pissed him off. Agree he was a much loved player and don't think any fan I know has ever criticised him for being black. But then we are not Les so we don't know what might have been said to him either to his face or online. He has always come across as very dignified to me and not exactly a political activist or would stoke something up for the attention or whatever. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 19, 2024 13:08:39 GMT
If he did say that then agree with you that would be unfair. Would need to see the quote but I thought (?) he was talking more generally about racism in football rather than at QPR specifically. Might be wrong? There were a few suggestions among fans that he employed certain people like Jimmy Floyd and the PE teacher for reasons other than footballing ability. This might have pissed him off. Agree he was a much loved player and don't think any fan I know has ever criticised him for being black. But then we are not Les so we don't know what might have been said to him either to his face or online. He has always come across as very dignified to me and not exactly a political activist or would stoke something up for the attention or whatever. Thanks for that Corbay. Agree with you and disagree with him than any criticism of his time as DoF was about results, not colour. He actually got an incredibly long stint as managers he appointed came and went. In his partial defence, if you are a black person and you have seen racism then part of the ugly effect of that racism is that you might start looking for it even in places it doesn't exist. It doesn't make it right, but it is understandable. His more general point about how fewer black players are given a chance is hard to argue with statistically. |
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Apr 19, 2024 13:33:24 GMT
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Post by Bill on Apr 19, 2024 13:33:24 GMT
Maybe their just thick.
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 19, 2024 17:15:26 GMT
Thanks for that Corbay. Agree with you and disagree with him than any criticism of his time as DoF was about results, not colour. He actually got an incredibly long stint as managers he appointed came and went. In his partial defence, if you are a black person and you have seen racism then part of the ugly effect of that racism is that you might start looking for it even in places it doesn't exist. It doesn't make it right, but it is understandable. His more general point about how fewer black players are given a chance is hard to argue with statistically. I guess criticism of him on this board (and I imagine, most other fan forums) WAS based on results. But we can't know he didn't receive criticism based on colour from elsewhere. I don't believe he would have made that up. It wasn't that long ago that his second cousin, Anton, received racist abuse from a former England player (whose name I can't even bring myself to type). It's too easy and comfortable to say that things are better now than they used to be, when they're still shit a lot of the time. |
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Post by Corbray on Apr 19, 2024 18:15:33 GMT
Thanks for that Corbay. Agree with you and disagree with him than any criticism of his time as DoF was about results, not colour. He actually got an incredibly long stint as managers he appointed came and went. In his partial defence, if you are a black person and you have seen racism then part of the ugly effect of that racism is that you might start looking for it even in places it doesn't exist. It doesn't make it right, but it is understandable. His more general point about how fewer black players are given a chance is hard to argue with statistically. I guess criticism of him on this board (and I imagine, most other fan forums) WAS based on results. But we can't know he didn't receive criticism based on colour from elsewhere. I don't believe he would have made that up. It wasn't that long ago that his second cousin, Anton, received racist abuse from a former England player (whose name I can't even bring myself to type). It's too easy and comfortable to say that things are better now than they used to be, when they're still shit a lot of the time. of course racism is still a problem, we all know racist people irl whether it be casual racists or die hard ones. the evidence for les' accusations though is unsubstantiated imo. saying 'some' fans disliked him based on his skin colour over exaggerates the true number which is actually a very tiny minority of people. that's what really gripes me about that quote. it's an unfair reflection of our fanbase, people disliked him because he was mostly shit as our DOF. |
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Apr 19, 2024 18:22:08 GMT
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Post by Bill on Apr 19, 2024 18:22:08 GMT
Well he certainly lapped up the adulation when he was playing.
Usual wants it both ways.
Ripped us off big time,bad mouthed us so my opinion of him has gone from hero to zero,nothing to do with colour at all.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Apr 19, 2024 18:44:12 GMT
No disrespect to the younger posters on here but if they genuinely believe issues with racism haven’t improved substantially in the last 20 - 30 years it’s because they didn’t experience those years first hand. There’s still a long way to go but there is no comparison between now and then.
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 19, 2024 19:29:59 GMT
Come on Bill, are you fucking serious??? PS: Oh, and did you mean “they’re”?? |
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Apr 19, 2024 20:48:09 GMT
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Post by Bill on Apr 19, 2024 20:48:09 GMT
Come on Bill, are you fucking serious??? PS: Oh, and did you mean “they’re”?? Spelling mistake i am so sorry. Ive commited a crime fucking hang me now. |
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Apr 19, 2024 20:53:10 GMT
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Post by Bill on Apr 19, 2024 20:53:10 GMT
Why not,plenty of players who were it not for football would be in
lesser paid jobs.
Obviously not the black ones,or the yellow ones,or the brown ones,or the woke ones,or the lgbt ones,or the transgender ones.or any other make or model.
Hope the spelling is correct 2loftus,people like you make me sick.
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