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Post by awin on Jan 7, 2024 13:20:08 GMT
League One and League Two Clubs follow the Salary Cost Management Protocol (“SCMP”) These state that Clubs can only spend a fixed percentage of its revenue on player wages etc. This limit can also be added to or impacted by equity injections or net transfer spend.
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Post by awin on Jan 7, 2024 13:22:30 GMT
A longer explanation…
Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) explained
Update: The EFL have now published more details on SCMP - click here and search for the term SCMP on the page.
Note The info that follows was published before the info from the EFL was made available:
Clubs in the League 1 and League 2 operate within a Spending Constraint framework termed Salary Cost Management Protocol (SMCP). SCMP limits spending on player wages to a percentage of club Turnover. In League 1 clubs can spend a maximum of 60% of their turnover on wages - in League 2, the limit is 55%. There are no restrictions (in themselves) on the amount a club can lose or spend on transfer fees.
Initially introduced into League 2 in 2004/5 for guidance purposes, sanctions for breaching the SCMP thresholds were introduced during the 2011/12 season, with Swindon the first club to be sanctioned under the rules.
The process is interactive with clubs providing the Football League with projections for the spending for the coming season. During the season the clubs provide regular updates on their Turnover and wage bill. Any club that is forecasting a wage spend within 5% of the figure will be scrutinised more closely. Where a club is on course to exceed the limits, the Football League will apply a Transfer Embargo. Crucially, a club doesn't have to overspend to incur the embargo, it only needs to shown to be heading for an overspend. This interactive approach enables clubs to increase their wage bill if their circumstances improve - a successful cup run will generate increased income and the Football League may be able to sanction additional wage spend. Because SCMP doesn't rely on the retrospective scrutiny of club accounts, it is also extremely effective at stopping overspend before the spending actually occurs (something that has been a problem for the Championship's version of FFP).
The Football League's website's explanation of the rules doesn't go into a great deal of detail about how they operate. However they have responded to enquiries and confirmed a number of areas that help us to better understand the rules.
Relegated clubs
The rules apply to all clubs and there is no moratorium for clubs relegated from the Championship. However, Transitional Arrangements are in place whereby clubs are allowed to exclude the wage costs of all players that the club signed pre September of the relegation season, if they were signed on contracts in excess of 3 seasons.
Turnover definition
Under the SCMP rules, the definition of 'Turnover' is particularly important as Turnover is used to determine the maximum wage-spend. Within a traditional accounting perspective, there are usually only three elements of turnover:
Match-day Income Commercial Income (such as sponsorship) TV revenue (and any 'merit payments' based on league position) However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. up club debts. In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions. Manchester City and Leicester for example seem set for punishment for their excessive losses (from UEFA and the Championship respectively) despite the fact that the owners have injected hard cash into the club to finance the spending.
Profit on player sales
Any profit made on player sales is included withinTurnover on a cash basis when the instalments are received.
Player Wages and deductions
Under SCMP, 'Wages' relates to player wages only (director remuneration and general club staff wages are not included in the SCMP calculation). Player wages included in the SCMP calculation relate to all contract players (full contract, non-contract, multiplicity etc.) and loan players. Wage costs for players loaned out to other clubs are deducted for the period of the loan. Wage costs for Youth players on a professional contract are also excluded (i.e. players that have been in the club’s Youth Development scheme and have been given a pro contract); they must be 20 years of age or under at the start of the season to be discounted from the SCMP calculation.
Direct Costs incurred within Turnover
Within Turnover, clubs can include such things as Hospitality/Banqueting income (whether it is match day or non-match day income). The direct costs have to be deducted to reach a figure that is submitted on the SCMP return. For Hospitality/Banqueting for example, the Direct costs are all costs directly attributable to put on a hospitality/banqueting event. This would include food & beverage, direct staff and cleaning costs such as laundry etc.
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Post by Bill on Jan 7, 2024 14:14:14 GMT
When we are relegated club will be sold to the yanks thats why the one on the board is here. No signings this window and trimming everything that can be trimmed selling rights to stand names to maximise income all of a sudden as well as other strategies which may well involve selling one of if not some players. Takeover end of season Reuben will shut the door behind him and take what he can get,including a clause in selling that he will get a percentage of ongoing profits,when Loftus rd is sold and becomes apartments and we ground share until a new home is found and built on the cheap. This is what i heard yesterday and cant reveal source. The club will be in a better place financailly but in League 1 and without a home eventually. Reuben quote "we want to leave the club in a better place". That phrase is open to interpretation. Think he meant financial footing all be it without a home and in League 1 or worse. Like Mk Dons ? Well , thats cheered me up Not exactly what i wanted to hear either Vespa
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Post by Rangers77 on Jan 7, 2024 15:26:02 GMT
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Post by conorqpr on Jan 7, 2024 15:35:28 GMT
When we are relegated club will be sold to the yanks thats why the one on the board is here. No signings this window and trimming everything that can be trimmed selling rights to stand names to maximise income all of a sudden as well as other strategies which may well involve selling one of if not some players. Takeover end of season Reuben will shut the door behind him and take what he can get,including a clause in selling that he will get a percentage of ongoing profits,when Loftus rd is sold and becomes apartments and we ground share until a new home is found and built on the cheap. This is what i heard yesterday and cant reveal source. The club will be in a better place financailly but in League 1 and without a home eventually. Reuben quote "we want to leave the club in a better place". That phrase is open to interpretation. Think he meant financial footing all be it without a home and in League 1 or worse. Like Mk Dons ? I think a takeover may well happen, however to my knowledge the EFL would have to approve it, and I doubt even they would agree to it. Also, there is a new independent regulator coming in which would mean fans would have the power to block moves like this as well. I dont believe your source for one second.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 7, 2024 15:52:18 GMT
Wayne be our boss in div 1 if yanks buyout😀
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Post by Bill on Jan 7, 2024 16:11:32 GMT
I think a takeover may well happen, however to my knowledge the EFL would have to approve it, and I doubt even they would agree to it. Also, there is a new independent regulator coming in which would mean fans would have the power to block moves like this as well. I dont believe your source for one second. Believe it or not,could care less. Money talks whatever you believe in this day and age. Watch this space.
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Post by Bill on Jan 7, 2024 16:12:48 GMT
Wayne be our boss in div 1 if yanks buyout😀 Too expensive 😂
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Post by jfrabbit on Jan 7, 2024 16:51:58 GMT
Let’s say we didn’t get favourable results in the next two games. Can anyone see Marti walking if we don’t get any players in to preserve his reputation and as a matter of principle? I honestly can.
He looked defeated yesterday in his interview. Yes, we had lost, but it looked a bit deeper than that for me.
Not a single shred of a rumour yet, we will need to persist with the shit squad we’ve got, and most importantly, that useless prick upfront for the rest of the season. Surely surely surely, they cannot think that is enough to stay up.
How much will relegation cost them?!
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 7, 2024 16:59:26 GMT
Let’s say we didn’t get favourable results in the next two games. Can anyone see Marti walking if we don’t get any players in to preserve his reputation and as a matter of principle? I honestly can. He looked defeated yesterday in his interview. Yes, we had lost, but it looked a bit deeper than that for me. Not a single shred of a rumour yet, we will need to persist with the shit squad we’ve got, and most importantly, that useless prick upfront for the rest of the season. Surely surely surely, they cannot think that is enough to stay up. How much will relegation cost them?! I can too and I wouldn't blame him. The board would only have themselves to blame too because it was obvious to everyone we're going down by not spending this window. Therefore by that logic they may as well have stuck with Ainsworth.
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Post by conorqpr on Jan 7, 2024 17:03:18 GMT
Let’s say we didn’t get favourable results in the next two games. Can anyone see Marti walking if we don’t get any players in to preserve his reputation and as a matter of principle? I honestly can. He looked defeated yesterday in his interview. Yes, we had lost, but it looked a bit deeper than that for me. Not a single shred of a rumour yet, we will need to persist with the shit squad we’ve got, and most importantly, that useless prick upfront for the rest of the season. Surely surely surely, they cannot think that is enough to stay up. How much will relegation cost them?! I can too and I wouldn't blame him. The board would only have themselves to blame too because it was obvious to everyone we're going down by not spending this window. Therefore by that logic they may as well have stuck with Ainsworth. Managers rarely walk, they ether get pinched by another club or they get sacked. I remember him a few weeks ago saying that hes aware of the FFP situation we are in, so I do not see him walking. Maybe yesterday he was frustrated more than anything.
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Post by Greg1882 on Jan 7, 2024 17:28:53 GMT
I don’t see him walking even if we drop. He’s probably just as frustrated as the rest of us and obviously wants reinforcements. He’s might also never have had to deal with such a cowardly bunch before and is a bit shell shocked at how shit the squad actually is. We have a habit of dressing it up to managers coming in and when reality hits it’s a different story. I do think he’s here for the long haul though whatever happens and I really hope he’s given time and doesn’t take any stick if we go down. None of this is his fault and I think the tinkering is simply him trying his best to get a working combo with this pathetic bunch of wankers
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Post by The General on Jan 7, 2024 17:50:39 GMT
Well , thats cheered me up Not exactly what i wanted to hear either Vespa Cant believe Bill tbh Sounds like complete fabrication Not criticising you at all just think it’s bollox Dramatic Qpr fans making shit up
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 7, 2024 17:54:28 GMT
Let’s say we didn’t get favourable results in the next two games. Can anyone see Marti walking if we don’t get any players in to preserve his reputation and as a matter of principle? I honestly can. He looked defeated yesterday in his interview. Yes, we had lost, but it looked a bit deeper than that for me. Not a single shred of a rumour yet, we will need to persist with the shit squad we’ve got, and most importantly, that useless prick upfront for the rest of the season. Surely surely surely, they cannot think that is enough to stay up. How much will relegation cost them?! I can too and I wouldn't blame him. The board would only have themselves to blame too because it was obvious to everyone we're going down by not spending this window. Therefore by that logic they may as well have stuck with Ainsworth. We dont know if we can spend though. Some think we can, others don’t. Think they were nuts to appoint Ainsworth but they finally got it right with Marti. Sadly we may have to go down for us to see the best of him when several players will be out of contract and the FFP pressures less of an issue so he can undertake at least a partial re-build.
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Post by The General on Jan 7, 2024 18:01:52 GMT
Its the board that needs rebuilding
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Post by hubble on Jan 7, 2024 18:06:41 GMT
I think the reason they're not spending is that a takeover is imminent. That's the only reason that makes sense to me, that they don't want to spend any more of their own money. Because to not back a manager of Cifuentes pedigree in order to (pretty much) guarantee we stay in this division is nuts. Relegation would be a devastating blow from which this club may not recover, certainly not in the short-term. Compared to other clubs in this league we've stuck fairly closely to the FFP regs, so surely there must be some wiggle room? Some clubs seem to be able to spend and spend and use ever more creative (AKA dodgy) solutions to cover the outlay.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 7, 2024 18:19:48 GMT
I think the reason they're not spending is that a takeover is imminent. That's the only reason that makes sense to me, that they don't want to spend any more of their own money. Because to not back a manager of Cifuentes pedigree in order to (pretty much) guarantee we stay in this division is nuts. Relegation would be a devastating blow from which this club may not recover, certainly not in the short-term. Compared to other clubs in this league we've stuck fairly closely to the FFP regs, so surely there must be some wiggle room? Some clubs seem to be able to spend and spend and use ever more creative (AKA dodgy) solutions to cover the outlay. have they tho? brum are often cited as an example but they have got in significant transfer revenue. A lot of fans have dismissed FFP as being a thing but the fact we haven’t even been linked with anyone strongly suggests FFP is all too real a threat (hence the ludicrous Bhatia stand etc). If they do have any interested parties for the club they will be a lot more interested - and at a higher price - if it looked like we could stay up
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Post by hubble on Jan 7, 2024 18:34:09 GMT
How about Stoke? They've spent plenty on players in the last couple of seasons.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 7, 2024 18:47:33 GMT
We dont know if we can spend though. I just KNEW you were going to post that 🤣 Fact is Stains none of us know how much we can or can't spend, so can only assume that there is SOME budget regardless of its size. To keep pointing out the obvious that we don't know IF we can spend therefore seems a bit futile to me.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 7, 2024 19:57:17 GMT
We dont know if we can spend though. I just KNEW you were going to post that 🤣 Fact is Stains none of us know how much we can or can't spend, so can only assume that there is SOME budget regardless of its size. To keep pointing out the obvious that we don't know IF we can spend therefore seems a bit futile to me. No more futile mate than the same posts every day just saying “sign a fucking striker ffs!”. I was simply responding to you saying the board would only have themselves to blame if we don’t sign anyone - as it makes a very large assumption that they can. As you have just acknowledged we don’t know for sure but there is quite a lot of circumstantial evidence that they can’t
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 7, 2024 20:01:32 GMT
How about Stoke? They've spent plenty on players in the last couple of seasons. wouldn’t claim to be an expert on other Championship clubs mate. think they get big sponsorship from bet365 as they one of britains biggest companies and back all things Stoke. am not defending the board and agree they could have been far more creative years ago but might now be too late due to the sheer scale of their past incompetences
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 7, 2024 20:09:13 GMT
I just KNEW you were going to post that 🤣 Fact is Stains none of us know how much we can or can't spend, so can only assume that there is SOME budget regardless of its size. To keep pointing out the obvious that we don't know IF we can spend therefore seems a bit futile to me. No more futile mate than the same posts every day just saying “sign a fucking striker ffs!”. I was simply responding to you saying the board would only have themselves to blame if we don’t sign anyone - as it makes a very large assumption that they can. As you have just acknowledged we don’t know for sure but there is quite a lot of circumstantial evidence that they can’t And just as much circumstantial evidence that they can? IOW nobody knows one way or the other. When we consider what is at stake I am going to assume there is a budget of some form, because you also can't assume there is none. I think where we can all agree is that nobody knows its size.
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Post by Shania on Jan 7, 2024 21:00:22 GMT
In one of the interviews Cifuntes made yesterday he said that the club seemed to back him at least with some of the positions he wants to fill.
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Post by conorqpr on Jan 8, 2024 10:51:51 GMT
Let’s say we didn’t get favourable results in the next two games. Can anyone see Marti walking if we don’t get any players in to preserve his reputation and as a matter of principle? I honestly can. He looked defeated yesterday in his interview. Yes, we had lost, but it looked a bit deeper than that for me. Not a single shred of a rumour yet, we will need to persist with the shit squad we’ve got, and most importantly, that useless prick upfront for the rest of the season. Surely surely surely, they cannot think that is enough to stay up. How much will relegation cost them?! Marti isn't going to walk. Why would he forego a major salary increase from his previous club, without any compensation. He knows the score with our FFP situation, he has touched apon it before in interviews hes done, so he is well aware we cant exactly spend this month without selling someone first.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jan 8, 2024 10:54:47 GMT
In one of the interviews Cifuntes made yesterday he said that the club seemed to back him at least with some of the positions he wants to fill. What’s this, the merest hint of something vaguely positive…? Thing is, many of the players have each put in some brilliant individual performances - it just seems they only do it once in every four or five matches. They need to get their act together and deliver more regularly.
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Post by Bill on Jan 8, 2024 13:38:37 GMT
Let’s say we didn’t get favourable results in the next two games. Can anyone see Marti walking if we don’t get any players in to preserve his reputation and as a matter of principle? I honestly can. He looked defeated yesterday in his interview. Yes, we had lost, but it looked a bit deeper than that for me. Not a single shred of a rumour yet, we will need to persist with the shit squad we’ve got, and most importantly, that useless prick upfront for the rest of the season. Surely surely surely, they cannot think that is enough to stay up. How much will relegation cost them?! Could walk if another job on table or mutual agreement.
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Post by Bill on Jan 8, 2024 13:41:05 GMT
In one of the interviews Cifuntes made yesterday he said that the club seemed to back him at least with some of the positions he wants to fill. So we are supposed to believe everything the club spouts. Track record is appalling. Once again you reap what you sow.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jan 8, 2024 19:29:01 GMT
Don’t think Marti will walk.
Board will have to back him to an extent, and he won’t want a very public failure on his CV.
The club surely can’t afford yet another managerial pay-off - and yet another signal that the job at Loftus Road is a poison chalice.
Think all parties will find a way to work together, even if we’re relegated.
Suspect Marti will be with us for at least a year and, as things stand, I’d be happy with that.
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Post by 1973ranger on Jan 8, 2024 21:27:40 GMT
Will he really want to build a squad to get out of league 1 if we are relegated? Bhatia has clearly moved away and the few quid for the SA africa rd stand naming rights showed that. All in all ww are in a real bad way and the most terifying thing is Hoos is in control.
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Post by Rangers77 on Jan 9, 2024 0:10:47 GMT
Let’s say we didn’t get favourable results in the next two games. Can anyone see Marti walking if we don’t get any players in to preserve his reputation and as a matter of principle? I honestly can. He looked defeated yesterday in his interview. Yes, we had lost, but it looked a bit deeper than that for me. Not a single shred of a rumour yet, we will need to persist with the shit squad we’ve got, and most importantly, that useless prick upfront for the rest of the season. Surely surely surely, they cannot think that is enough to stay up. How much will relegation cost them?! If I were a friend of Marty I'd tell him to walk, publishing a statement saying why, and how fucked up the club is and how rubbish the players.
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