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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 14, 2024 9:27:34 GMT
Perhaps we finding out why Marti never stays long at a club
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Post by hal9thou on Aug 14, 2024 9:45:16 GMT
Post-match interview on 2m38s saying "I take total responsibility (for Cambridge's goal) because I ask the players to play that way, to assume that kind of risk because i think there is a reward when you do it well, and so it's a game we can learn a lot from the second half": As fans it’s nerve wracking to watch sometimes but the only way the players will master passing out from the back, setting traps etc is to practice over and over again and that extends to matches where the pressure is far greater. Mistakes are an inevitable consequence but they will become fewer as the team gels and finds its groove. Other teams obviously know what we’re about but that’s not necessarily an issue. The point of playing it out is to draw the oppo onto you leaving space behind them. And to take a bit out of their legs through having to press and chase. If it’s done properly then it can work a treat, but sometimes you just have to accept that the short option isn’t on and go a bit longer. We demolished Leeds last season partly due to our press so it just goes to show, the sort of calibre player Leeds have struggled to play the way Marti wants us to play. It won’t always work and he needs to be a bit more flexible. Can understand doing it last night though, no different to playing a weakened team really. We're not doing that properly either. Also to utilise the space behind you need quick ball, there's very little sign of that. And even Man City go long when they need to. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Aug 14, 2024 10:07:20 GMT
As fans it’s nerve wracking to watch sometimes but the only way the players will master passing out from the back, setting traps etc is to practice over and over again and that extends to matches where the pressure is far greater. Mistakes are an inevitable consequence but they will become fewer as the team gels and finds its groove. Other teams obviously know what we’re about but that’s not necessarily an issue. The point of playing it out is to draw the oppo onto you leaving space behind them. And to take a bit out of their legs through having to press and chase. If it’s done properly then it can work a treat, but sometimes you just have to accept that the short option isn’t on and go a bit longer. We demolished Leeds last season partly due to our press so it just goes to show, the sort of calibre player Leeds have struggled to play the way Marti wants us to play. It won’t always work and he needs to be a bit more flexible. Can understand doing it last night though, no different to playing a weakened team really. We're not doing that properly either. Also to utilise the space behind you need quick ball, there's very little sign of that. And even Man City go long when they need to. And for quick ball you need options, which in turn requires the players further up the pitch to be switched on and mobile. Hopefully we’ll master it to a greater and more consistent level, that’s what Marti is clearly working towards. Until then, I’ll be trying to keep a lid on the old blood pressure. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 14, 2024 10:14:56 GMT
Very much Marti in and the signings of Varane and Dembele will give us a better tempo and more importantly pace up top which we have lacked for a number of years.
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 15, 2024 8:15:09 GMT
As fans it’s nerve wracking to watch sometimes but the only way the players will master passing out from the back, setting traps etc is to practice over and over again and that extends to matches where the pressure is far greater. Mistakes are an inevitable consequence but they will become fewer as the team gels and finds its groove. Other teams obviously know what we’re about but that’s not necessarily an issue. The point of playing it out is to draw the oppo onto you leaving space behind them. And to take a bit out of their legs through having to press and chase. If it’s done properly then it can work a treat, but sometimes you just have to accept that the short option isn’t on and go a bit longer. We demolished Leeds last season partly due to our press so it just goes to show, the sort of calibre player Leeds have struggled to play the way Marti wants us to play. It won’t always work and he needs to be a bit more flexible. Can understand doing it last night though, no different to playing a weakened team really. We're not doing that properly either. Also to utilise the space behind you need quick ball, there's very little sign of that. And even Man City go long when they need to. We were last year though. He come out and said a few times that we went long too quickly, so I would say that it is unfair to say that we do not mix it up. We have a number of new players. They won't all know the triggers just yet, they won't know where Marti wants them when on the ball just yet (which sounds a bit daft for a professional footballer but hopefully you know what I mean). |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 15, 2024 8:24:34 GMT
You have to be ready when the season starts, not when the window closes. Define "ready"? There are degrees of readiness. In an ideal world, it's obviously 100%, but we all know that's not the reality for us. Unfortunately due to financial restrictions the season doesn't really start, or at least the squad and Marti can't be properly judged, until the window closes. I agree with the General that the below par stuff we're seeing is Marti's responsibility. And I'm pretty sure Marti would stand up and say so, that's one of the things I like about him. Re playing out from the back, he HAS taken full responsibility for that here, and rightly so: rfantasyisland.boards.net/post/193445/threadHe’s absolutely not responsible for not yet being in a position to assemble his best squad, though. That's won't be until 11pm, August 30th; unless our business is complete well in advance of that. However, at a minimum, you need to give Dembele and Saito a chance to bed in, neither of whom we’ve even seen kick a ball in anger yet, whilst Marti is ALREADY being castigated. Not you, but that’s some fans for you. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 15, 2024 8:35:19 GMT
I’m sure Marti feels as let down by some players as we do sometimes. If it turns out, given reasonable time, that our players can’t play the way he wants does he change it or leave? Could be that Chair coming back and the two new guys are a revelation, Celar gets 20 and we challenge. Either way it’s going to be interesting. Defence wise I think it will be important to keep JCS - and keep him fit. Good passer out.
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Post by James1979 on Aug 15, 2024 9:52:58 GMT
We were seriously hampered by the standard of 2-3 of our 4 forward players on Saturday. We will have better players in that position going forward. Can’t judge the mid week game and I think most treat as extension of pre season. 2 games in guys…..we lost 1 game….keep the faith.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Aug 15, 2024 10:36:43 GMT
We were seriously hampered by the standard of 2-3 of our 4 forward players on Saturday. We will have better players in that position going forward. Can’t judge the mid week game and I think most treat as extension of pre season. 2 games in guys…..we lost 1 game….keep the faith. Yup. Personally see this season as one where we build on what we achieved last season and it’s very unlikely we’ll be in the mix for relegation or promotion. Like racing Usain Bolt and a snail. You know you won’t win, you know you won’t lose and a slowish start isn’t going to change that so no dramas. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 15, 2024 10:45:23 GMT
We were seriously hampered by the standard of 2-3 of our 4 forward players on Saturday. We will have better players in that position going forward. Can’t judge the mid week game and I think most treat as extension of pre season. 2 games in guys…..we lost 1 game….keep the faith. Yup. Personally see this season as one where we build on what we achieved last season and it’s very unlikely we’ll be in the mix for relegation or promotion. Like racing Usain Bolt and a snail. You know you won’t win, you know you won’t lose and a slowish start isn’t going to change that so no dramas. This is the big picture and is something we should all remind ourselves of when we have a couple of bad results/ performances. |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 15, 2024 10:51:30 GMT
the potential is there but few of our signings are the finished artical and will need time to bed in and develop. varane for example is 22 fresh off his first season as a somewhat regular player in spain's second tier which isn't exactly as esteemed as our own league. club must have seen something in him and to be fair to the lad he's looked decent albeit a bit off the pace.
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Post by awin on Aug 15, 2024 10:52:16 GMT
This is the manager people were panicked was leaving.
He’s done an almost entire squad rebuild in the summer and after 1 league loss and 1 cup win people are questioning the team and plan.
Honestly some people need a little patience and faith in the manager.
No league is won in the first 3-4 games.
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Post by Greg1882 on Aug 15, 2024 11:35:31 GMT
This is the manager people were panicked was leaving. He’s done an almost entire squad rebuild in the summer and after 1 league loss and 1 cup win people are questioning the team and plan. Honestly some people need a little patience and faith in the manager. No league is won in the first 3-4 games. Some of the overreaction, not necessarily on here, 2 fucking games into the season with a vastly different squad that will take time to settle is utterly embarrassing. We have built a society where people have no patience and want everything yesterday. It’s not exclusive to QPR but I do find we have our share of wankers |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2024 11:53:28 GMT
Totally agree. I'm new to this board which was recommended for sensible debate but I really cannot believe some of the quick fire crap and and condemnation of the team and manager after 6 days of the season. Admittedly there are some sensible heads who understand that having basically recruited more than half a team from around the globe who have had had limited training sessions and little or no game time while trying to move countries it will take time maybe months to reach the finished article.
Classic quote above is that the team has to be ready on opening day of the season not on closing of the window. Really? we will have at least 5 first team players at the end of the window who were not even with us or eligible for the first game.
Another thread that we should only give Celar 10 games to prove himself. Then what - go back to Dykes and wait for January and buy again.
Expect on form we will get turned over by SU on Saturday and he noise will explode bit more but then we could shock a few people - that's the championship.
Meanwhile chill and give the manager and team chance .
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Post by Corbray on Aug 15, 2024 12:03:32 GMT
Totally agree. I'm new to this board which was recommended for sensible debate but I really cannot believe some of the quick fire crap and and condemnation of the team and manager after 6 days of the season. Admittedly there are some sensible heads who understand that having basically recruited more than half a team from around the globe who have had had limited training sessions and little or no game time while trying to move countries it will take time maybe months to reach the finished article. Classic quote above is that the team has to be ready on opening day of the season not on closing of the window. Really? we will have at least 5 first team players at the end of the window who were not even with us or eligible for the first game. Another thread that we should only give Celar 10 games to prove himself. Then what - go back to Dykes and wait for January and buy again. Expect on form we will get turned over by SU on Saturday and he noise will explode bit more but then we could shock a few people - that's the championship. Meanwhile chill and give the manager and team chance . tbh most people know that it will take time but football in the moment kind of sport. we all want to win and do well and tempers can get the best of us when we're watching a game and the days afterwards lol. during the WBA game i was thinking celar was a total waste of money and a complete flop simply because at the time i was frustrated with what i was watching and thought it was all a waste of time. if we beat sheffield utd it'll all be happy days again, marti will be a genius, the new signings destined for the prem and our playoff spot all but guaranteed. it's the nature of football and being a fan. i take most emotionally driven posts on here with a pinch of salt as i'm guilty of making them myself in the heat of the moment. |
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Post by hal9thou on Aug 15, 2024 14:58:20 GMT
No league is won in the first 3-4 games. But plenty are lost. Listen, he may be the best thing sliced bread and unlike some I was behind his appointment from day one. None of which makes him exempt from criticism. We've been really poor, fact, and I'm pretty sure he's very well aware of that and not making excuses. I can't have this shit about going easy early doors. This is a brutal division, bend over and you get fucked. |
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Post by James1979 on Aug 15, 2024 15:29:00 GMT
No league is won in the first 3-4 games. But plenty are lost. Listen, he may be the best thing sliced bread and unlike some I was behind his appointment from day one. None of which makes him exempt from criticism. We've been really poor, fact, and I'm pretty sure he's very well aware of that and not making excuses. I can't have this shit about going easy early doors. This is a brutal division, bend over and you get fucked. I don’t think anyone has said “go easy” early. Not in the league anyway. I do think we took the league cup game “easy” but not the league. We were short on quality. |
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 15, 2024 15:55:14 GMT
There's a different between having a poor game. Couple of games. To people saying that they aren't good enough, get rid, etc. How anyone can call anyone a flop after a couple of games (not even fuill games) is beyond me. And I do not include friendlies in that.
Blending a new team together will take some time, but you obviously need results as well. We can't lose 10 games in a row and claim its because of gelling, clearly. But you can give some leeway in the fact that it is 5 or so new players, new countries etc. Game on game, it should be better. If it isn't then that is when we will have problems.
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Post by Rangers77 on Aug 24, 2024 19:10:42 GMT
Is it me or does Marty seem a little flat and grumpy since the season started? Seems pissed off in his interviews......
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 24, 2024 19:17:08 GMT
Is it me or does Marty seem a little flat and grumpy since the season started? Seems pissed off in his interviews...... Saw him at the open day and he seemed ok. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 24, 2024 20:18:05 GMT
Free hit last year. Pressure on now.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 25, 2024 6:58:07 GMT
See few fans on twitter questioning him and talking of pressure. I don’t think that myself.
Last year was pressure, he was brought in to keep us up that was his only job. Last year’s efforts have probably unfairly heaped expectation on him/team beyond what it should be.
Points return so far disappointing but fair few posters did say it was a tough start to season. He’s moulding a new team it takes time.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 25, 2024 7:16:13 GMT
See few fans on twitter questioning him and talking of pressure. I don’t think that myself. Last year was pressure, he was brought in to keep us up that was his only job. Last year’s efforts have probably unfairly heaped expectation on him/team beyond what it should be. Points return so far disappointing but fair few posters did say it was a tough start to season. He’s moulding a new team it takes time. Numpty fans will be numpty fans mate. I think anyone with half a brain should be able to see more positives than negatives with the way things are shaping up. If their keeper hadn't had the game of his life we'd have won that by at least 2 goals. Of course there are a few concerns but we are 3 games in with essentially a brand new squad. Way too soon to be talking about "pressure". |
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Post by BrightonR on Aug 25, 2024 7:41:26 GMT
One appreciates it takes time to get a new group of players to gel.
However, unlike so many more managers before him, it appears that he has been backed heavily by those upstairs with regard to bringing in proper players, rather than just those that either nobody else wants or because they are all we can afford.
Naturally, this is going to increase the expectations of the fans. Pretty sure we can all agree that in general, we are trying to play a much more entertaining brand of football. Unfortunately, he’s going to need to ensure that this impacts results and league position quite soon, otherwise the pressure will start to mount.
Two areas for me that are an issue. The obvious one being the usual lack of goals. The other is the constant pissing around at the back. I have no problem if passing around confidently whilst looking to create opportunities, but the way we do it appears to me that we have no real idea what we are doing. So many times yesterday we ended a phase of passing with someone blocking the eventual hoof anyway. We really need to move up the field with more intent and cohesion. Absolutely no point in having all this potentially exciting talent if we aren’t getting the ball to them in the right areas and early enough. The quicker they get the ball and on the move, the quicker they can get proper support and create dangerous positions.
Hopefully, it will all fall into place very soon.🙏
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Post by James1979 on Aug 25, 2024 7:41:29 GMT
Is it me or does Marty seem a little flat and grumpy since the season started? Seems pissed off in his interviews...... He was pretty happy pre match. Think he was annoyed at result as we all were. In earlier games he was frustrated at lack of forward options I think |
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 25, 2024 7:43:44 GMT
Liking what is going on and think the new signings once settled will come good. This coach is the best thing to happen to this club in a long time so talk of pressure and the like is just nonaense.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 25, 2024 7:51:03 GMT
See few fans on twitter questioning him and talking of pressure. I don’t think that myself. Last year was pressure, he was brought in to keep us up that was his only job. Last year’s efforts have probably unfairly heaped expectation on him/team beyond what it should be. Points return so far disappointing but fair few posters did say it was a tough start to season. He’s moulding a new team it takes time. Last year wasn’t pressure because fans were already speculating about him bringing us back up at the first attempt. Keeping us up was a bonus, a free hit like I said. Now the club has brought in players - presumably with his input - the spotlight is on him to succeed. The pressure is determined by what is seen as success. I doubt the club expects promotion but they will be looking for players to be improved to enhance their value. |
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Post by systemsguy on Aug 25, 2024 8:01:55 GMT
String a couple of wins together and the usual suspects will go quiet...
We don't have a magic money tree that will skirt round FFP
We have to sell to buy and we can only sell what someone wants to buy
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Post by West Acton on Aug 25, 2024 8:06:46 GMT
String a couple of wins together and the usual suspects will go quiet... We don't have a magic money tree that will skirt round FFP We have to sell to buy and we can only sell what someone wants to buy hopefully they will System |
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 25, 2024 8:41:00 GMT
Is it me or does Marty seem a little flat and grumpy since the season started? Seems pissed off in his interviews...... He was pretty happy pre match. Think he was annoyed at result as we all were. In earlier games he was frustrated at lack of forward options I think Also, don’t think he’s grumpy just realistic. Such a change from the past. |
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