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Post by Corbray on Sept 28, 2024 19:33:51 GMT
don't really see him as stubborn tbh. we're not even 10 games into the season and i don't think any team has really shown themselves yet. look at blackburn up in 3rd, does anyone think they'll be up there at the end of the season? marti had a vision for the team, we saw glimpses of it a couple of times but its not working out. i don't blame him for trying to set the team up different but hey ho. Last season we won 2-1 there and from Feb on could compete with anyone - this season? Lucky to escape with a 2-0 defeat and outplayed by Millwall at home. Relatively early days but we have had about a fifth of the season already it's not been great but today was also only our second loss in the league, should have stuffed plymouth a few games back too. i have completed faith in marti personally. the question of whether he's failing in the job won't come to mind for at least another ten games of bad form imo. he will tinker, he will adapt and he'll change up the style of play. heck, he made dunne into one of the best RB's in the league for the last ten games last season lol. he's earned our patience, respect and the right to try things out with our style of play. most of us predicted a midtable finish and that's probably where we will be come the end of the season, personally i'm hoping for more as we have an exciting lineup up top. this is a transition season imo. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 29, 2024 6:00:33 GMT
Martí achieved the impossible last season and kept us up. He deserves this whole season, no matter what. He will come good for us again. Not even a conversation to be had tbh. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Sept 29, 2024 10:07:55 GMT
Martí achieved the impossible last season and kept us up. He deserves this whole season, no matter what. He will come good for us again. Not even a conversation to be had tbh. Yeah no one (as far as I know) wants Marti gone or has lost faith in him. He has been a massive positive and is probably more popular than Warbs and even Warnock despite their sustained success. But that does not mean he is above questioning. Personally I find this constant attempt to play out with no plan b bizarre. I would question why he doesn’t change it up, at least occasionally, if only to be less predictable? And I would question (this is at least as much Noury, probably more) whether in our understandable attempt to buy younger, technical players with sell on value we went “all in” on this strategy too quickly? For example, if we had not signed half a dozen of those players in the summer but got Hayden, wouldn’t we be doing better now? Are we really going to sell on Madsen for a massive profit? |
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Post by Corbray on Sept 29, 2024 10:47:09 GMT
Not even a conversation to be had tbh. Yeah no one (as far as I know) wants Marti gone or has lost faith in him. He has been a massive positive and is probably more popular than Warbs and even Warnock despite their sustained success. But that does not mean he is above questioning. Personally I find this constant attempt to play out with no plan b bizarre. I would question why he doesn’t change it up, at least occasionally, if only to be less predictable? And I would question (this is at least as much Noury, probably more) whether in our understandable attempt to buy younger, technical players with sell on value we went “all in” on this strategy too quickly? For example, if we had not signed half a dozen of those players in the summer but got Hayden, wouldn’t we be doing better now? Are we really going to sell on Madsen for a massive profit? signings have to be thought out. hayden would have understandably wanted big money to leave newcastle even though he wanted to come here and with no sell on potential plus a questionable injury record. clubs way of looking at it is we could instead invest that money into younger players and hopefully develop them into saleable assets in the years to come. if that does happen we'll all be very grateful and full of praise for the club being more forward thinking. madsen does have potential imo even if he is one of the most lightweight big guys i've ever seen play for us. if he can adapt that side of his game then wow, we'll have unearthed a gem of a player. that's the position we're in as a club. we messed about over the past 2 seasons by not selling players when we should have and ripping up the rule book when we brought in gaz and his padre of players. we find ourselves in a transition phase once again and are starting from scratch. not every signing will turn out good but some of them will. |
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Post by MattyRangers on Sept 29, 2024 11:02:41 GMT
Christ some fickle fans. What Marti has done here is not too far short of a miracle considering what he adopted.
That's not to say he is beyond criticism, of course not, but football generally does go in patches (unless you're Man City you aren't going to have it all your own way all the time). Little rough patch atm, but this is where I am sure Marti will stand up & be counted and show us what he's about in October. Fully expect us to be a lot more buoyant in a month's time. Starting with a big win on Tues. COYRs!
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Post by shepherdsmush on Sept 29, 2024 11:03:22 GMT
Love the bloke. Best manager since Warnock
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 29, 2024 11:04:02 GMT
The Hayden thing …… no sell on but a better team with him in it so an investment in success. A role model for developing players. We’d have got at least three years out of him. Of course, the wages could have been the killer otherwise he would have been a huge asset. Sign all the cheap potential you want but there’s a place for a Hayden every couple of years at a club.
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Post by 2Loftus on Sept 29, 2024 11:38:18 GMT
I love the bone marrow of this football club . What it is. What it stands for, and what it means to so many and the thousands of others who will support this club long after i've been incinerated in an MDF coffin as Marvin Gaye sings me out into the great divide. But fuck me up the dirtbox i'm getting so bored arsing about at the fag end of the championship. Exisiting. Breathing. Consuming. Defecating.
This seemingly endless existence in Beige.i'm 57 in november.. I loved the Gerry years in the early to mid 90's. I'm not a spoilt brat in a bunny eared romper suit for wanting them again before i turn up me toes am i? Circa 1993 now seems like 'one million years BC,' with Raquel welch in her saber tooth tiger bikini. It's just one game today i know.. but still.. days like this as a QPR fan melt into each other like Neeskens , cruyff and total football . It grinds you down into nothingness. We don't have any God-given right to be the Championship. I'd rather a bit of 'beige' this season as we consolidate and rebuild than relive the previous two years' of torture (definitely shades of brown...) desperately scrabbling around to avoid relegation. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Sept 30, 2024 11:58:24 GMT
Yeah no one (as far as I know) wants Marti gone or has lost faith in him. He has been a massive positive and is probably more popular than Warbs and even Warnock despite their sustained success. But that does not mean he is above questioning. Personally I find this constant attempt to play out with no plan b bizarre. I would question why he doesn’t change it up, at least occasionally, if only to be less predictable? And I would question (this is at least as much Noury, probably more) whether in our understandable attempt to buy younger, technical players with sell on value we went “all in” on this strategy too quickly? For example, if we had not signed half a dozen of those players in the summer but got Hayden, wouldn’t we be doing better now? Are we really going to sell on Madsen for a massive profit? signings have to be thought out. hayden would have understandably wanted big money to leave newcastle even though he wanted to come here and with no sell on potential plus a questionable injury record. clubs way of looking at it is we could instead invest that money into younger players and hopefully develop them into saleable assets in the years to come. if that does happen we'll all be very grateful and full of praise for the club being more forward thinking. madsen does have potential imo even if he is one of the most lightweight big guys i've ever seen play for us. if he can adapt that side of his game then wow, we'll have unearthed a gem of a player. that's the position we're in as a club. we messed about over the past 2 seasons by not selling players when we should have and ripping up the rule book when we brought in gaz and his padre of players. we find ourselves in a transition phase once again and are starting from scratch. not every signing will turn out good but some of them will. Love your positivity Corbs and agree totally that the Gaz experiment took the club on a massive, disastrous U-turn. Also agree about the need to develop players. But I have to question your assertion that if Madsen toughened up he would be a "gem" - so far he's looked a nothingness to me. I also think that even development clubs need a mix of players. You have to accept that you won't profit on every deal (Cook has no sell on value but is probably one of our best signings of the last few years). Personally think the Champ is just too tough and physical to pack your team with so many Varanes, Madsens etc. I'm also struggling to see the profit potential in Madsen when we reportedly paid 2.8m for him. Obvs hope I am proved completely wrong but given what we paid for him, to make a profit you are pretty much looking at a Prem club signing him. Very early days but he looks a million miles off that standard so far. |
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Post by acricketer on Sept 30, 2024 13:07:46 GMT
How many players have proved us wrong over the years?!!
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Post by Bill on Sept 30, 2024 13:14:52 GMT
Surely you play what is in front of you.
At present i am at a loss as to what type of football we are playing.
Pass around at the back its fairly evident we are not very good at it.
Is it that the players are not good enough or that there is very little movement in front of them?
Ball over the top for Frey is challenging as only one up top and nobody getting up to support him leaves us into a very predictable game plan which other teams seem to have sussed.
So in summary incapable players at the back to play Martis beliefs and style.Dont move thr ball quick enough for this to be effective and time we take opp defence is set
Lack of movement in midfield?
Its so stagnant.
Lack of pace,intent and threat up top?
I would suggest that we play to our strengths,Martis call,and players no matter how new take responsibilty in terms of effort,strength and energy.
We cant continue to play like we are,its not working so change is needed and quickly.
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 30, 2024 15:52:55 GMT
I've never liked one up top, especially at home, but with the attacking players we have in Saito, Dembele, Smyth we should be able to adopt this system with ease. Problem is they're just not producing.
Maybe he should try 2 up top and drop out a midfielder.
Hard task for Frey up there with very little supply.
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 30, 2024 15:54:40 GMT
How many players have proved us wrong over the years?!! That's a good question. I think we've got some very very good eyes on this forum who can see what's going on. Look at all the players MC got rid of. Not one single one did any of us say was wrong and furthermore we identified the very same players as not good enough so I'd like to think we know what we're looking at. I can't think of a player off the top of my head that have really turned it around to become very good players after a bad start. |
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Post by Greg1882 on Sept 30, 2024 16:08:30 GMT
How many players have proved us wrong over the years?!! That's a good question. I think we've got some very very good eyes on this forum who can see what's going on. Look at all the players MC got rid of. Not one single one did any of us say was wrong and furthermore we identified the very same players as not good enough so I'd like to think we know what we're looking at. I can't think of a player off the top of my head that have really turned it around to become very good players after a bad start. Think social media plays a huge part in players struggling personally. They will all be well aware that their performances haven’t been good enough especially over the last 3 games. Madsen for example said he was disappointed with his own displays on a pod last week. They are aware and don’t need some cunts reminding them every 5 minutes. When players like furlong turned it round after a poor start he wasn’t accessible to the masses. Admittedly if they have a social media presence they are there to be shot at but at the end of the day they are also humans with the same self doubts as every one else. It’s also worth remembering that they haven’t been recruited blind. It’s data driven and there would have been extensive discussions involving management about style and where they fit in. Ultimately when you have numbers joining with no specific experience of English football or each other in a new country it is going to take time to settle in and find that chemistry whether we like it or not. It would be the same in any walk of life not just football. I trust the clubs recruitment and judgement implicitly on this one. It’s modern day life to expect everything yesterday but history shows us that players that look to be struggling can and will settle in and showcase the talents they have which haven’t disappeared. Let’s be absolutely clear, pep guardiola has signed players for north of 50 million quid who haven’t settled straight away. It takes time and that’s just reality |
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Post by Bill on Sept 30, 2024 16:20:33 GMT
Maybe,but as West Acton said a while back they can still give 100 % effort no matter what.
You dont need time to produce that and i for one not seeing that.
If anything you try to impress for your new club but maybe modern footballers dont do that?
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 30, 2024 16:28:55 GMT
Surely you play what is in front of you. At present i am at a loss as to what type of football we are playing. This. We play slow, predictable 4-2-3-1 whatever the opposition, with no sign of an ability to change tactics or read the fucking room. You get found out real quick in this division. The only time in recent years we're turned posession into quick ball on a regular basis was those first few weeks with Mick Beale pre tits up. Obviously Marti is a godsend compared to Gareth but he has much to learn. He's maybe OK but he is not the messiah. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 30, 2024 17:17:40 GMT
How many players have proved us wrong over the years?!! Err………. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Sept 30, 2024 18:44:55 GMT
How many players have proved us wrong over the years?!! Dykes for one. He proved those of us wrong who thought there HAD TO BE a striker in there somewhere… |
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Post by Hitman34 on Sept 30, 2024 19:35:08 GMT
Marti signs a new multi year contract............. fantastic news.
Welldone to the club
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 30, 2024 19:35:59 GMT
Fantastic news
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Sept 30, 2024 20:17:08 GMT
This and the two player signings all very positive news. All three are definitely part of the solution. More than the results am frustrated by how we are playing at the moment but all three of these men are very good in their different ways at what they do and its a sign of confidence in the club that they are committing to us.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 30, 2024 20:21:06 GMT
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 30, 2024 20:31:16 GMT
I'm conflicted on this. Would have loved a new deal for Marti to have been announced through the summer. Not sure what message it sends out giving him a new deal after such a poor start to the season.
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Post by 2Loftus on Sept 30, 2024 20:46:15 GMT
Don't overthink it Tarbs. It's great news, end of.  |
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Post by 1973ranger on Sept 30, 2024 20:47:40 GMT
I'm conflicted on this. Would have loved a new deal for Marti to have been announced through the summer. Not sure what message it sends out giving him a new deal after such a poor start to the season. The message I take is that the board and coach/manager are aligned which can only be good news for our football club. Very important signing in my opinion. |
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 30, 2024 20:50:45 GMT
Yeah, I get what you're all saying. I'm just saying it may not look like such a great decision if this poor run of form continues.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 30, 2024 21:05:51 GMT
That's a good question. I think we've got some very very good eyes on this forum who can see what's going on. Look at all the players MC got rid of. Not one single one did any of us say was wrong and furthermore we identified the very same players as not good enough so I'd like to think we know what we're looking at. I can't think of a player off the top of my head that have really turned it around to become very good players after a bad start. Think social media plays a huge part in players struggling personally. They will all be well aware that their performances haven’t been good enough especially over the last 3 games. Madsen for example said he was disappointed with his own displays on a pod last week. They are aware and don’t need some cunts reminding them every 5 minutes. When players like furlong turned it round after a poor start he wasn’t accessible to the masses. Admittedly if they have a social media presence they are there to be shot at but at the end of the day they are also humans with the same self doubts as every one else. It’s also worth remembering that they haven’t been recruited blind. It’s data driven and there would have been extensive discussions involving management about style and where they fit in. Ultimately when you have numbers joining with no specific experience of English football or each other in a new country it is going to take time to settle in and find that chemistry whether we like it or not. It would be the same in any walk of life not just football. I trust the clubs recruitment and judgement implicitly on this one. It’s modern day life to expect everything yesterday but history shows us that players that look to be struggling can and will settle in and showcase the talents they have which haven’t disappeared. Let’s be absolutely clear, pep guardiola has signed players for north of 50 million quid who haven’t settled straight away. It takes time and that’s just reality Great post Greg. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 30, 2024 21:22:58 GMT
The only thing I'd add is players should know by now that, as professionals, if they choose to put themselves on anti-social media, they're also choosing to put themselves directly in the firing line. So either get off or accept that praise as well as criticism goes with the territory.
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Post by Greg1882 on Oct 1, 2024 5:25:44 GMT
The only thing I'd add is players should know by now that, as professionals, if they choose to put themselves on anti-social media, they're also choosing to put themselves directly in the firing line. So either get off or accept that praise as well as criticism goes with the territory. Completely agree |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Oct 1, 2024 5:31:40 GMT
The club may have been very shrewd regarding the timing of Martis new contract. If you're going to strike a deal with someone, you don't want them holding all the cards.
We haven't exactly hit the ground running this season and have been playing some pretty dire football at times. Marti will be just as disappointed as the rest of us and will know his stock won't have exactly rocketed because of it. Better for the club to push for a new contact now than if we were flying high with rumours/genuine interest from other clubs/Martis agent getting in his ear etc.
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