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Post by James1979 on Oct 2, 2024 17:05:45 GMT
As I said on the match thread last night, feels like Warburton all over again. So concerned about playing a certain way that we've forgotten the objective is to win. Last season thought he adapted. I think because it’s start of the season and new players, he’s giving more of a go. The issue for me is more that we cannot have a side that contains Dembele, Saito, Anderson, Madsen and then Santos at right back. It’s far too open and not enough ball to winners. I think that’s the issue more than the style of play. We created good chances. We just defended like a bunch of Niko Hammalinens. |
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 2, 2024 18:42:18 GMT
As I said on the match thread last night, feels like Warburton all over again. So concerned about playing a certain way that we've forgotten the objective is to win. mentioned that a while back - same set up same basic problem. Marti got away with it last term because people hadn't done their homework. Ironic that the one manager in recent times who briefly got us playing a higher tempo, quick transition game fucked it all up for completely unrelated reasons. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 2, 2024 18:50:29 GMT
As I said on the match thread last night, feels like Warburton all over again. So concerned about playing a certain way that we've forgotten the objective is to win. mentioned that a while back - same set up same basic problem. Marti got away with it last term because people hadn't done their homework. Ironic that the one manager in recent times who briefly got us playing a higher tempo, quick transition game fucked it all up for completely unrelated reasons. Hayden is a HUGE loss too. Madsen and Varane bought it in to replace him but not clicking yet. Improvement from Madsen last night though, which was encouraging. I think we'll get there and end up having a decent season. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 2, 2024 19:30:21 GMT
mentioned that a while back - same set up same basic problem. Marti got away with it last term because people hadn't done their homework. Ironic that the one manager in recent times who briefly got us playing a higher tempo, quick transition game fucked it all up for completely unrelated reasons. Hayden is a HUGE loss too. Madsen and Varane bought it in to replace him but not clicking yet. Improvement from Madsen last night though, which was encouraging. I think we'll get there and end up having a decent season. We are in desperate need of a Hayden type player. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 2, 2024 19:43:20 GMT
Varane is a player who will devolop nicely imo.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 2, 2024 20:10:10 GMT
Varane is a player who will devolop nicely imo. Reckon he'll develop nicely into a Conference player!  |
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Post by James1979 on Oct 2, 2024 20:12:51 GMT
Varane is a player who will devolop nicely imo. Reckon he'll develop nicely into a Conference player! Think he would have made a difference yesterday. At least he would Have got stuck in. |
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Post by Corbray on Oct 3, 2024 8:44:34 GMT
it forces marti to reassess the squad and how we play. Something he has been incapable of to date. The writing has been on the wall since pre season. I like your optimism but once you get worked out in this division, you either adapt or you're in big trouble. he did adapt and went against his catalan principles last season, dunne to RB too was his call. he's intelligent and reasonable enough to see that he needs to tweak things imo. i don't think he needs to completely do away with the fundamentals of how he's setting us up, just modify it and make us more cautious and solid at the back in midfield. nor would i want him too either tbh as at the end of the day i want to be entertained. certainly don't want to see a JFH style of football were we grind out draws and clean sheets lol. |
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Post by hubble on Oct 3, 2024 9:02:06 GMT
Last season Marti had little choice but to play to the team's strengths, and once he'd worked this out (which he did pretty quickly), we became very hard to beat and started picking up points. This season he's tried to play his preferred style, with players who on paper should be able to deliver, but they have clearly not delivered. For most of us this was obvious several games ago, particularly the weakness of our midfield without an enforcer in the mould of Hayden. Madsen, in particular, has been a big disappointment, but even he came with a warning about his strength. I believe Varane will eventually be able to fulfil this role, but he's not quite there yet.
The other major disappointment is Celar, because he offers ZERO in defence, let alone attack - he doesn't press, tackle back or defend corners. Dykes was better than him in all these areas, so as it stands, we've downgraded, not upgraded our strike force.
So given that this has not been working out, I would have expected Marti to start with making us harder to beat, but he hasn't done this. He has persisted with a very weak midfield (from a defensive point of view) and the results speak for themselves. The recent loss of Colback and JCS are of course factors, but given that, why has he allowed us to be so open? We're so easily by-passed in midfield. The players need to be far more compact in a defensive formation, cutting out the opposition's line-breaking, and then utilise Saito's and Dembele's guile to break out, or Andersen's or Madsen's passing ability. I think Marti himself must be extremely disappointed with how poor his new acquisitions have proved to be, but what is he doing to counteract this? Pragmatism has to be the first order of the day in the Championship, otherwise you end up getting rolled by teams like Hull.....
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 3, 2024 9:34:00 GMT
Last season Marti had little choice but to play to the team's strengths, and once he'd worked this out (which he did pretty quickly), we became very hard to beat and started picking up points. This season he's tried to play his preferred style, with players who on paper should be able to deliver, but they have clearly not delivered. For most of us this was obvious several games ago, particularly the weakness of our midfield without an enforcer in the mould of Hayden. Madsen, in particular, has been a big disappointment, but even he came with a warning about his strength. I believe Varane will eventually be able to fulfil this role, but he's not quite there yet.
The other major disappointment is Celar, because he offers ZERO in defence, let alone attack - he doesn't press, tackle back or defend corners. Dykes was better than him in all these areas, so as it stands, we've downgraded, not upgraded our strike force.
So given that this has not been working out, I would have expected Marti to start with making us harder to beat, but he hasn't done this. He has persisted with a very weak midfield (from a defensive point of view) and the results speak for themselves. The recent loss of Colback and JCS are of course factors, but given that, why has he allowed us to be so open? We're so easily by-passed in midfield. The players need to be far more compact in a defensive formation, cutting out the opposition's line-breaking, and then utilise Saito's and Dembele's guile to break out, or Andersen's or Madsen's passing ability. I think Marti himself must be extremely disappointed with how poor his new acquisitions have proved to be, but what is he doing to counteract this? Pragmatism has to be the first order of the day in the Championship, otherwise you end up getting rolled by teams like Hull.....
Agree with this, and share your frustrations. Have been saying the same about the midfield for a while. In Marti's defence, against Millwall the problem was we couldn't move the ball forward. So he brought back Madsen (who, like you, I have found massively disappointing) hoping his supposed skill on the ball would help link defence and attack. So with the current players at his disposal he is a bit fucked either way. Go solid but then we don't create. Or create but then leave us wide open. Am not despairing yet. Dunne at RB, JCS back and Colback or Varane alongside Field and think we will at least become more solid. Will that team be able to move the ball forwards? Jury out on that, and a lot of coaching needed, some of it you would imagine quite basic... |
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Post by Bill on Oct 4, 2024 16:31:20 GMT
Needs to get his arse in gear.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 5, 2024 16:01:48 GMT
In?
Out?
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 5, 2024 16:02:55 GMT
Too early.
But I was told a few games ago he wasn't stubborn and he can change. He needs to start proving that.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 5, 2024 16:03:50 GMT
Too early. But I was told a few games ago he wasn't stubborn and he can change. He needs to start proving that. Managers gone this season a lot quicker. |
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Post by Bill on Oct 5, 2024 16:05:38 GMT
In.
His team,his players,his problem.
However how long if results dont improve who knows.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 5, 2024 16:07:00 GMT
Too early. But I was told a few games ago he wasn't stubborn and he can change. He needs to start proving that. Managers gone this season a lot quicker. Still credit in the bank from last season. But he's burning through it. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 5, 2024 16:09:13 GMT
Shake the fucker all about |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 5, 2024 16:11:27 GMT
Not sure. Should be in, but he's been fucking shite this season. Really really shite.
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Post by The General on Oct 5, 2024 16:13:49 GMT
Tbf he deserves a good crack
We were dead and buried last season
I really like him however he needs to change
Midfield is a disaster so is the injuries
So are the signings
Change Marti the way we play asap
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 5, 2024 16:14:54 GMT
In fairness the buys are presumably Nourry's. Did Marti tell Nourry he'd prefer the 2.8m for Madsen's transfer fee to be put to Hayden's wages instead? We don't know.
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 5, 2024 16:17:00 GMT
Hayden in the position he played has been the player we need more than anyone else. Knew how to help control games and had great awareness on the pitch.
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Post by Bill on Oct 5, 2024 16:19:46 GMT
In fairness the buys are presumably Nourry's. Did Marti tell Nourry he'd prefer the 2.8m for Madsen's transfer fee to be put to Hayden's wages instead? We don't know. I would really like to know ! |
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 5, 2024 16:20:04 GMT
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 5, 2024 16:21:10 GMT
Take that look off your face
Take those fucks out that team.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 5, 2024 16:22:11 GMT
We need to try to get Hayden on loan in Jan or we are fooked
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Post by itsonlyagame on Oct 5, 2024 16:22:57 GMT
In fairness the buys are presumably Nourry's. Did Marti tell Nourry he'd prefer the 2.8m for Madsen's transfer fee to be put to Hayden's wages instead? We don't know. [br That’s a very good point. |
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Post by Greg1882 on Oct 5, 2024 16:23:10 GMT
Love him for last season but let’s have it right this season so far has been fucking dire. Weak at home again, shoehorning players in based on nothing and not adapting to situations. Was clearly tactically astute last year but seems slow to react this. Having said all that these players need to be accountable, it’s always the manager who gets the blame but it’s the 11 over the white line that are to blame. Nardi looks ok but having him means we play out from the back which we can’t do. Both right backs look sloppy and miles off it. Dunne isn’t a left sided centre half. Paal has looked ok at times but ultimately he’s been quite shit against any decent winger. Madsen and varane play as if they have all the time in the world, they don’t. Madsen also for someone of his frame is an absolute pussy. Saito, glimpses of a good player but likes giving away a foul and very lightweight. Dembele the best of the bunch but drifts in and out of games. Celar…..passenger for the most of it but have seen a few bits last couple of outings that suggest he might be slowly settling, was in a lovely amount of space centrally today but the thick div that is Paul smyth looks up and complete ignores him. Finally Sam field……….gets away with an awful lot off our fans. Fact is rangers have been weak as piss in the centre of the park for years now and sam has been ever present, can’t play the ball forward with any quality and have never seen him run a game. Getting a bit fucked off with his softy interviews post games too, look look look. Need a serious upturn in effort, commitment and desire before this gets out of control
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Oct 5, 2024 16:23:51 GMT
On borrowed time,he was an unknown quantity last season but managers have sussed him out. Ainsworths football was bad,but this turgid shite we are being served up is just as bad.
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Post by Bill on Oct 5, 2024 16:24:19 GMT
5 games max.
1st full season got to change.
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Post by ub2r on Oct 5, 2024 16:25:16 GMT
Just signed a contract extension so can’t see him going but he needs to do something as we look very poor. Too many physically weak players in this league doesn’t work. For their first goal we’re we zonal marking ? If yes he needs to scrap it. It just doesn’t work
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