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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 5, 2024 16:32:01 GMT
At moment we in touching distance, but if this keeps up, and the draws too we going to get cut adrift.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 5, 2024 16:40:01 GMT
Plymouth got fight, Oxford too, can see Luton pulling the trigger as well, us just bumming along
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Post by Shania on Oct 5, 2024 16:41:33 GMT
It`s ultimately a results business, but I would hate to see him go.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 5, 2024 16:48:03 GMT
They ain't sacking a guy they just give a new deal to. He'll be here for the foreseeable whatever happens.
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Post by Bill on Oct 5, 2024 16:53:58 GMT
They ain't sacking a guy they just give a new deal to. He'll be here for the foreseeable whatever happens. If he dont change then Div 1 beckons. |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 5, 2024 16:59:31 GMT
Bit early to say that mate. I'm concerned but we're 9 games in. Couple of wins and things will look a lot different.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 5, 2024 17:03:11 GMT
Eat sleep loose
Repeat
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 5, 2024 18:09:03 GMT
IN
Well, as a fan, some will notice I've done my best to defend Marti and the new signings over the last few games; but after today's performance and result I'm now done with that. He's showing signs of replicating his predecessors JFH, Olly, Warbs and Ainsworth in their stubbornness to not changing approach when it's clearly not working.
With that said, my threshold for those four other managers is it got to the stage where I lost all interest in hearing their post-match interviews. It's not yet reached that stage with Marti as I still like hearing what he's got to say post-defeat. And that's the only thing that's retaining my faith in him.
On the subject of who made the summer signings (I see that topic has come up), I am positive they are not 100% all Nourry's. Cifuentes would definitely have had a say in them, along with Belk.
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 5, 2024 18:17:27 GMT
Is this even a debate?!
Every club hits poor form.
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Post by James1979 on Oct 5, 2024 18:35:58 GMT
He deserves the season and probably next season given what he did last year.
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 5, 2024 18:42:42 GMT
In. It's a non brainer. But let reserve the right to kick fuck out of him when it's bad.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 5, 2024 18:45:11 GMT
100% in.
Yea we're in a terrible run of form, playing poorly and things not turning for us but I've seen enough of MC to see he's a very good manager.
He's not immune to criticism but let's see how he responds as he clearly is up against it now.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 5, 2024 18:46:38 GMT
Is this even a debate?! Every club hits poor form. but this early is a big concern |
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Post by Bill on Oct 5, 2024 19:25:51 GMT
Not about form imo.
Cant play with Madsen,Saito,Dembele Anderson in the same side.
Just to soft
Playing out from back is non starter.
Playing it long is a problem as well as Frey lacks pace,works but gets no support.
Leaves us in a really poor predicament.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 5, 2024 19:26:27 GMT
no way should the conversation about getting rid be happening yet. many of us were praising him as the best manager since warnock just a few weeks ago.
he's rightfully being criticized for not setting us up properly and perhaps being too ambitious with our style of play but i have full faith in him to change it up. the international break will certainly be telling for him.
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 5, 2024 19:36:07 GMT
Play three in the middle. As it stands it would be Field, Colback and EDB. None of the rest are presently up to it. Chair behind Frey. Saito wide.
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Post by James1979 on Oct 5, 2024 19:37:46 GMT
Play three in the middle. As it stands it would be Field, Colback and EDB. None of the rest are presently up to it. Chair behind Frey. Saito wide. No with everyone fit: Nardi Dunne, JCS, Cook, Paal Field, Colback Saito, Dembele, Chair Frey |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 6, 2024 5:15:08 GMT
He needs to address the midfield and lack of protection given by thst area of the pitch. Needs to look at Millwall and then look at the 2 Danish lads and say can they compete physically over a season as playing them both together is like playing with 2 men less every game. The lack of balance and protection also means that the more advanced players are not getting a chance to play with any freedom. Not sure if we can loan anyine right now and if we can't then look at the free agent market and bring in a solid defensive midfielder on a short term deal.
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 6, 2024 7:54:34 GMT
Play three in the middle. As it stands it would be Field, Colback and EDB. None of the rest are presently up to it. Chair behind Frey. Saito wide. No with everyone fit: Nardi Dunne, JCS, Cook, Paal Field, Colback Saito, Dembele, Chair Frey Bar the back four and Chair that's the same underperforming side. Radical change needed. Nardi Dunne Cook JCS Smyth EBD Field Colback Paal Chair Frey. There's also a case for going to a back four of Dunne Cook JCS Fox. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 6, 2024 8:25:13 GMT
Ok, call me old git but with everyone attempting to pick a team and basically coming up with the same, so far FAILED, line-ups doesn’t it bring into question this concept of buying on stats? See Westy’s post on Stats thread. Summer window was poor. Keeper aside we’ve brought in players who, at best, will take time to develop that we haven’t got. Stats clearly lie because you can make them say different things. A player may have a 100% passing stat but if it’s me to you, you to me boring rubbish what does that prove? A striker who played at Euros yet there will be players on a field somewhere this morning who will look more like it. You can’t beat what you SEE, that’s why we all go on about Hayden. We saw what he did for the team.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 6, 2024 8:37:59 GMT
He highlighted physicality issues post-match. So he is acutely aware of it and I'd be shocked if he wasn't. Expect it to be further addressed this international break. What also came across in the interview is wanting to get the balance right with his balling approach, which was the key to his success last season.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 6, 2024 8:44:33 GMT
Do we have any free signings space left in squad?
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Post by Shania on Oct 6, 2024 8:59:48 GMT
Ok, call me old git but with everyone attempting to pick a team and basically coming up with the same, so far FAILED, line-ups doesn’t it bring into question this concept of buying on stats? See Westy’s post on Stats thread. Summer window was poor. Keeper aside we’ve brought in players who, at best, will take time to develop that we haven’t got. Stats clearly lie because you can make them say different things. A player may have a 100% passing stat but if it’s me to you, you to me boring rubbish what does that prove? A striker who played at Euros yet there will be players on a field somewhere this morning who will look more like it. You can’t beat what you SEE, that’s why we all go on about Hayden. We saw what he did for the team. That`s a valid point, but getting the balance right around them might help. That`s the hope I`m clinging to. |
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Post by hubble on Oct 6, 2024 9:02:07 GMT
Football, as any of us who've been watching it for years know, is a strange old game. Managers often take time to 'bed in', just like players; even when things seem straightforward and obvious to us fans, they never appear to be so for managers. One thing's for sure, sacking a manager is usually even more hit and miss that keeping the one you've got. Marti showed last season that he's got what it takes. This season it appears that he's tried to implement his preferred playing style (as opposed to the pure pragmatism of keeping us up last season) and so far, with a couple of exceptions - Luton away for example - it hasn't worked. What seems to be happening is that the players aren't quite up to it, or they haven't managed to get it right yet.... one or the other of those. And so we are left wondering why he hasn't changed things to remedy this. Well, I think the loss of key players is part of this: Chair has only just started to feature and he's clearly not close to his best yet; JCS is a big loss - and so it seems is Colback. Managers definitely think longer term than us fans - they often seem prepared to keep going with implementing their ideas when we would have twisted rather than stuck - and this perseverance, which we perceive as stubbornness, can be a virtue in the longer term. But while results tank, it's hard to keep faith with that. Nevertheless, there are countless examples of managers whose second seasons have been poor to begin with, Fergie at Man Utd being the most well known, and firing them at that stage would have denied the manager the longer term opportunity to shine.
So that's a long winded way of saying I think we need to give him time - a whole season's worth - to come good.
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 6, 2024 10:19:14 GMT
Not about form imo. Cant play with Madsen,Saito,Dembele Anderson in the same side. Just to soft Playing out from back is non starter. Playing it long is a problem as well as Frey lacks pace,works but gets no support. Leaves us in a really poor predicament. He mentions that in his last interview. So he can see it as well. |
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 6, 2024 10:21:09 GMT
no way should the conversation about getting rid be happening yet. many of us were praising him as the best manager since warnock just a few weeks ago. he's rightfully being criticized for not setting us up properly and perhaps being too ambitious with our style of play but i have full faith in him to change it up. the international break will certainly be telling for him. Agree with this. Football is about debated and hyperthericals, of course. However, that doesn't need to start from a debate if he stays or goes. That's the prob with fans these days. Everything is a simple in out and onto the next. Getting less and less people that will debate stuff rather than go straight for the bad form, get out. Great form, he's world class. |
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Post by Bill on Oct 6, 2024 10:25:31 GMT
Not about form imo. Cant play with Madsen,Saito,Dembele Anderson in the same side. Just to soft Playing out from back is non starter. Playing it long is a problem as well as Frey lacks pace,works but gets no support. Leaves us in a really poor predicament. He mentions that in his last interview. So he can see it as well. Then why play the same players and system its bonkers |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 6, 2024 10:25:36 GMT
Not about form imo. Cant play with Madsen,Saito,Dembele Anderson in the same side. Just to soft Playing out from back is non starter. Playing it long is a problem as well as Frey lacks pace,works but gets no support. Leaves us in a really poor predicament. He mentions that in his last interview. So he can see it as well. What did he say Sponge? Must admit can never face listening to I/vs after we lose. |
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Post by Bill on Oct 6, 2024 10:30:40 GMT
no way should the conversation about getting rid be happening yet. many of us were praising him as the best manager since warnock just a few weeks ago. he's rightfully being criticized for not setting us up properly and perhaps being too ambitious with our style of play but i have full faith in him to change it up. the international break will certainly be telling for him. Agree with this. Football is about debated and hyperthericals, of course. However, that doesn't need to start from a debate if he stays or goes. That's the prob with fans these days. Everything is a simple in out and onto the next. Getting less and less people that will debate stuff rather than go straight for the bad form, get out. Great form, he's world class. Everyone on here more or less said give it time and patience. Except me West Acton,Wycombe etc who reserved judgement. Truth is they have bought a load of tarts,10 games in and finally most are seeing the light. Line up is all wrong,4 plsyers in yesterdays line up is just madness. |
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Post by Bill on Oct 6, 2024 10:32:05 GMT
Madsen,Andersen,Saito and Dembele.
Its crazy.
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