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Post by Timmy Doc on Nov 6, 2024 17:38:33 GMT
But then even at LB, Paal never got injured. We have Fox as a back up - fine, on paper. But then they both get injured at the same time and we have to play our 2nd choice right back, at left back. But then why not play Saito there? Especially as last night it looked like WBs. Agree and like someone said yesterday, Saito played well there in the game where Paal was injured. Truth is I think I've recently seen two worst left back display ever (Fox, Santos). |
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 6, 2024 18:05:05 GMT
I think I've come to the conclusion that I'd be quite happy if Marti got binned now.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 6, 2024 18:12:40 GMT
I think I've come to the conclusion that I'd be quite happy if Marti got binned now. I think I've come to the conclusion that I'd be quite happy if I didn't think about QPR for a while. Relegation looming and Donald Fucking Trump. What a night... |
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Post by acricketer on Nov 6, 2024 18:35:44 GMT
Just checking in. Has he gone yet?
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Post by spongeparr on Nov 6, 2024 19:22:10 GMT
But then even at LB, Paal never got injured. We have Fox as a back up - fine, on paper. But then they both get injured at the same time and we have to play our 2nd choice right back, at left back. But then why not play Saito there? Especially as last night it looked like WBs. I'd be worried if I saw Saito starting as LB in a 4. Argument could be made for us playing with wing backs instead but we'd still be exposed. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 6, 2024 20:43:56 GMT
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Post by hubble on Nov 6, 2024 21:04:40 GMT
Getting rid of Marti, for all the reasons that seem so apparent to people right now, is an utterly bananas idea. The LAST thing we need right now is further destabilisation. The injury issue is a massive one, and I firmly believe, although it will be painful, that Marti can and will turn this around.
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Post by hubble on Nov 6, 2024 21:42:03 GMT
"QPR boss Cifuentes '100% confident' season will improve"
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Post by 1qprdk on Nov 6, 2024 22:31:48 GMT
"QPR boss Cifuentes '100% confident' season will improve"
Must be true, if it's in the msm. 😉 |
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Post by hubble on Nov 7, 2024 7:45:54 GMT
"QPR boss Cifuentes '100% confident' season will improve"
Must be true, if it's in the msm. 😉
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Post by Shania on Nov 7, 2024 7:54:03 GMT
Getting rid of Marti, for all the reasons that seem so apparent to people right now, is an utterly bananas idea. The LAST thing we need right now is further destabilisation. The injury issue is a massive one, and I firmly believe, although it will be painful, that Marti can and will turn this around.
Much sense here. Getting rid of him will not bring back our injured players. |
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Post by spongeparr on Nov 7, 2024 8:59:36 GMT
Similar thing happened with Critchley I think. When he took over, we were missing Willock, Chair, JCS and other key players (I forget who). We sacked him despite all these being injured and never having afuill strength team. Then hire Ainsworth and all these players come back and we are playing in a way that makes them irrelevant.
Again, not saying that Critchley was the answer but I do think we would have been better sticking with him rather than going for Ainsworth.
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Post by James1979 on Nov 7, 2024 9:04:41 GMT
Similar thing happened with Critchley I think. When he took over, we were missing Willock, Chair, JCS and other key players (I forget who). We sacked him despite all these being injured and never having afuill strength team. Then hire Ainsworth and all these players come back and we are playing in a way that makes them irrelevant. Again, not saying that Critchley was the answer but I do think we would have been better sticking with him rather than going for Ainsworth. Yeah appointment of Ainsworth was terrible decision. But I find now that I’ve stopped listening to Marti pre and post match. It’s the same old nonsense. They should stop the players interviews too. I don’t want words, I want points and performances. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 7, 2024 9:10:11 GMT
Similar thing happened with Critchley I think. When he took over, we were missing Willock, Chair, JCS and other key players (I forget who). We sacked him despite all these being injured and never having afuill strength team. Then hire Ainsworth and all these players come back and we are playing in a way that makes them irrelevant. Again, not saying that Critchley was the answer but I do think we would have been better sticking with him rather than going for Ainsworth. we been better with kit man taking charge than noddy |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 7, 2024 13:27:00 GMT
Getting rid of Marti, for all the reasons that seem so apparent to people right now, is an utterly bananas idea. The LAST thing we need right now is further destabilisation. The injury issue is a massive one, and I firmly believe, although it will be painful, that Marti can and will turn this around.
You call this stabilisation? I call it a clusterfuck. DoF: unresolved DoP: unresolved (and meanwhile the injuries stack up). Manager: tactically inept. CEO: highly questionable market business Sure, the injury list is a contributary factor, but I really dislike his inabiliy to change tactically (viz the Sunderland game) and question his motivational skills. The table does not lie. That's where we're stable right now: down the arse end. In the end it boils down to risk. Stick or twist? It's the tactical stuff that boils my piss, he HAS to be way more flexible and implement it now. A lot of this was flagged up pre season by a couple of us on here, and we were told not to worry. But nothing has changed. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 7, 2024 13:47:11 GMT
It’s turning into a noddy repeat situation. You give them time to turn it, but how long do u give before serious damage is done. What if he just can’t change it
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Post by West Acton on Nov 7, 2024 15:16:27 GMT
How many failed managers do we need to blame until we realise the issue is deeper than who's sat in the dugout? But Marti must understand that we have to go more direct. Imo. Must is a strong word though... few times we went direct midweek we lost ball and the crowd sighed 😂😂😂 we don’t know what we want |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 7, 2024 15:29:23 GMT
We want a win
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Post by shepherdsmush on Nov 7, 2024 15:47:45 GMT
It's clear we need some key (IMO) players back...Clarke-Salter, Frey, Colback but even then we will more than likely struggle as most teams have worked us out and we can't seem to get the hang of pinging crosses into dangerous areas in the box.
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 7, 2024 15:57:55 GMT
I do not buy the go direct line. Neither do I. But I can tell you 100% we do need quicker ball. That was the key change that Beale made before it all went rapidly into meltdown behind the scenes. Haven't spotted it sense. We also need a set up rethink/ One up top we aint getting an organised press. That aint happening either. Tactically, Marti doesn't add up. |
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Post by Shania on Nov 7, 2024 16:15:30 GMT
But Marti must understand that we have to go more direct. Imo. Must is a strong word though... few times we went direct midweek we lost ball and the crowd sighed 😂😂😂 we don’t know what we want  In a way, it`s true that West Acton. Beat the press by playing it out from the back is the mantra, but wasn't Celar brought in to run the channels and Madsen brought in to pick out that pass? |
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Post by Shania on Nov 7, 2024 16:19:51 GMT
I do not buy the go direct line. Neither do I. But I can tell you 100% we do need quicker ball. That was the key change that Beale made before it all went rapidly into meltdown behind the scenes. Haven't spotted it sense. We also need a set up rethink/ One up top we aint getting an organised press. That aint happening either. Tactically, Marti doesn't add up. That`s were I can't quite understand his thinking. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 7, 2024 16:48:19 GMT
I do not buy the go direct line. Neither do I. But I can tell you 100% we do need quicker ball. That was the key change that Beale made before it all went rapidly into meltdown behind the scenes. Haven't spotted it sense. We also need a set up rethink/ One up top we aint getting an organised press. That aint happening either. Tactically, Marti doesn't add up. Totally agree. When we played out from the back, the centre backs had Varane in his own, swamped by 2 players. If he received it he had to play back. Where on earth were Madsen and Morgan? That must be tactical not just players. But what is the plan here? Then when they had the ball, Varane holds his position in front of the defence but everyone in front of the back 4 + Varane didn’t press at all. Didn’t challenge at all as eg Madsen numbers proves. Is this players or tactical? I think it must be tactical but what again is the plan here?? 2 days on and I’m starting to think the issue is Marti more than anyone else. His tactics haven’t worked all season. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 7, 2024 17:23:24 GMT
Neither do I. But I can tell you 100% we do need quicker ball. That was the key change that Beale made before it all went rapidly into meltdown behind the scenes. Haven't spotted it sense. We also need a set up rethink/ One up top we aint getting an organised press. That aint happening either. Tactically, Marti doesn't add up. Totally agree. When we played out from the back, the centre backs had Varane in his own, swamped by 2 players. If he received it he had to play back. Where on earth were Madsen and Morgan? That must be tactical not just players. But what is the plan here? Then when they had the ball, Varane holds his position in front of the defence but everyone in front of the back 4 + Varane didn’t press at all. Didn’t challenge at all as eg Madsen numbers proves. Is this players or tactical? I think it must be tactical but what again is the plan here?? 2 days on and I’m starting to think the issue is Marti more than anyone else. His tactics haven’t worked all season. You could see Cook and Dunne shouting at the players ahead of them to make runs and space to receive it. They were clearly showing frustration over the lack of movement, and hence passing options, ahead of them. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 7, 2024 17:46:18 GMT
It's clear we need some key (IMO) players back... Defo. The spine of the team is out. JCS Colback Frey All players who bring a lot to the side. |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 7, 2024 18:56:36 GMT
Totally agree. When we played out from the back, the centre backs had Varane in his own, swamped by 2 players. If he received it he had to play back. Where on earth were Madsen and Morgan? That must be tactical not just players. But what is the plan here? Then when they had the ball, Varane holds his position in front of the defence but everyone in front of the back 4 + Varane didn’t press at all. Didn’t challenge at all as eg Madsen numbers proves. Is this players or tactical? I think it must be tactical but what again is the plan here?? 2 days on and I’m starting to think the issue is Marti more than anyone else. His tactics haven’t worked all season. You could see Cook and Dunne shouting at the players ahead of them to make runs and space to receive it. They were clearly showing frustration over the lack of movement, and hence passing options, ahead of them. would help if they played the ball quicker instead of taking the extra touch then waving arms. Movement can be better but I’ve seen plenty of opportunities to play it out quicker but they dwell and players get closed. Perhaps they don’t trust players ahead to ping it into them or they don’t trust themselves make pass so look for easy option (sideways or backwards) |
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Post by Rangers77 on Nov 8, 2024 7:53:49 GMT
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 8, 2024 8:17:43 GMT
Tick tock
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Post by spongeparr on Nov 8, 2024 9:13:48 GMT
You could see Cook and Dunne shouting at the players ahead of them to make runs and space to receive it. They were clearly showing frustration over the lack of movement, and hence passing options, ahead of them. would help if they played the ball quicker instead of taking the extra touch then waving arms. Movement can be better but I’ve seen plenty of opportunities to play it out quicker but they dwell and players get closed. Perhaps they don’t trust players ahead to ping it into them or they don’t trust themselves make pass so look for easy option (sideways or backwards) It's a confidence thing as well. When playing well, you don't think about those passes. Someone above mentioned the spine being out with JCS, Colback and Frey. Id agree with that, but I would also add in Paal and Chair. THey are all so key in how we play. Yes, both have faults but I think getting those 5 back in, changes us. Fully fit Paal is a good LB and keeps the ball pretty well. Chair who drags players over and creates space for overlaps. Have Dembele and Saito up supporting Frey. Totally different team to having Celar supported by Smyth and Santos overlapping with the wrong foot (if he has a correct foot?!) |
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Post by 1qprdk on Nov 8, 2024 9:27:58 GMT
would help if they played the ball quicker instead of taking the extra touch then waving arms. Movement can be better but I’ve seen plenty of opportunities to play it out quicker but they dwell and players get closed. Perhaps they don’t trust players ahead to ping it into them or they don’t trust themselves make pass so look for easy option (sideways or backwards) It's a confidence thing as well. When playing well, you don't think about those passes. Someone above mentioned the spine being out with JCS, Colback and Frey. Id agree with that, but I would also add in Paal and Chair. THey are all so key in how we play. Yes, both have faults but I think getting those 5 back in, changes us. Fully fit Paal is a good LB and keeps the ball pretty well. Chair who drags players over and creates space for overlaps. Have Dembele and Saito up supporting Frey. Totally different team to having Celar supported by Smyth and Santos overlapping with the wrong foot (if he has a correct foot?!) Creates space, yes. Uses it for the benefit of QPR, no. |
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In a way, it`s true that West Acton. Beat the press by playing it out from the back is the mantra, but wasn't Celar brought in to run the channels and Madsen brought in to pick out that pass? 
