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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 28, 2024 8:27:28 GMT
There have been a few comments on here about Dave Mac's decreasing/poorer coverage of all things QPR.
Seems he's quietly dropping us...
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Post by jfrabbit on Feb 28, 2024 8:29:23 GMT
Rumour was Les was his mole.
Now he's gone, no scoops and drops the line about decisions had to be made as there is other London clubs.
West London Sport is the name Dave. Bit of a clue. Cock
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 28, 2024 8:33:20 GMT
Interesting stats on WLS engagement over 3 months...
QPR content 3,300 to 6,200 views
Brentford - 92 views
Fulham - 671 views
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Post by Corbray on Feb 28, 2024 10:21:44 GMT
dave's answer makes zero sense according to website traffic ahrefs.com/traffic-checker/?input=westlondonsport.com&mode=subdomainspage views have been on a steady decline since september but even so the most searched football terms are all to do with QPR. why even bother trying to compete for the 3 west london prem clubs when other outlets like skysports and theathletic among others have that more than covered and to a much higher standard and respectibility? WLS was always a credible and reliable source for QPR, arguebly the main one out there for QPR news. JFR's comment about les may have some weight behind it. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 28, 2024 10:40:45 GMT
dave's answer makes zero sense according to website traffic ahrefs.com/traffic-checker/?input=westlondonsport.com&mode=subdomainspage views have been on a steady decline since september but even so the most searched football terms are all to do with QPR. why even bother trying to compete for the 3 west london prem clubs when other outlets like skysports and theathletic among others have that more than covered and to a much higher standard and respectibility? WLS was always a credible and reliable source for QPR, arguebly the main one out there for QPR news. JFR's comment about les may have some weight behind it. Wow, halved in the last 6 months (and I’m one of those who no longer click through to WLS). Seems absolutely bonkers to kill off the main attractor to WLS, which seems to be QPR... |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 28, 2024 12:07:28 GMT
Not really WLS's fault. The business model for such sites if fucked. We all used to pay for content. How many on here now buy a daily newspaper for money? Bet hardly anyone. There's the rub - news costs money to produce. I bet those jouros are on about the same money now as an Amazon delivery driver, and doing five times more work than a journo back in the day. Not really fair to give the journalist a hard time if we are not prepared to pay for it. Re-writing a press release take five minutes, nurturing contacts and gaining exclusives is much harder work and you don't get that on delivery driver salaries without expense accounts.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 28, 2024 18:43:23 GMT
How many on here now buy a daily newspaper for money? My parents, but they're of that 'silent' generation. |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 28, 2024 19:13:44 GMT
How many on here now buy a daily newspaper for money? My parents, but they're of that 'silent' generation. their only silent because they're constantly sucking on worthers originals, humbugs or liquorice allsorts |
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 28, 2024 19:40:04 GMT
My parents, but they're of that 'silent' generation. their only silent because they're constantly sucking on worthers originals, humbugs or liquorice allsorts If they’ve been doing that for any length of time they probably won’t have their own teeth any more… |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 28, 2024 21:37:58 GMT
Point being they are typical of the silent generation that still buy newspapers, and suspect many baby-boomers too.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 28, 2024 21:42:44 GMT
My parents, but they're of that 'silent' generation. their only silent because they're constantly sucking on worthers originals, humbugs or liquorice allsorts Hopefully you'll get to be an octogenarian one day too Corbs 😎 |
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Post by acricketer on Feb 28, 2024 22:15:38 GMT
Provided for free and criticized heavily and often. No surprise he's jacked it in. Life's too short.
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Post by jfrabbit on Feb 29, 2024 6:32:34 GMT
Provided for free and criticized heavily and often. No surprise he's jacked it in. Life's too short. No one forced him and it's absolutely littered with adverts so don't be so sure he does it for the love haha |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 29, 2024 9:29:50 GMT
Provided for free and criticized heavily and often. No surprise he's jacked it in. Life's too short. No one forced him and it's absolutely littered with adverts so don't be so sure he does it for the love haha Don't think anyone seriously goes into journalism for the money nowadays JF. He's not there to provide a public service, if they can no longer make reporting on a struggling second string football team profitable think its a shame, but he/ WLS are not the problem. We can't expect top quality content for free. Advertising for sports related content is incredibly low value. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Feb 29, 2024 9:54:27 GMT
No one forced him and it's absolutely littered with adverts so don't be so sure he does it for the love haha Don't think anyone seriously goes into journalism for the money nowadays JF. He's not there to provide a public service, if they can no longer make reporting on a struggling second string football team profitable think its a shame, but he/ WLS are not the problem. We can't expect top quality content for free. Advertising for sports related content is incredibly low value. TBH I wasn't a regular reader of WLS. I get my fix from twitter and official sources. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 29, 2024 11:33:41 GMT
Provided for free and criticized heavily and often. No surprise he's jacked it in. Life's too short. No one forced him and it's absolutely littered with adverts so don't be so sure he does it for the love haha Exactly. The ads became so intrusive that the site became almost unusable. And content began to take the piss, with really naff click-baity headlines on social media. Of course he has to make his efforts pay the bill, I just think he wrong way and ended up alienating his audience. Clive Whittingham has I think got the model right, using Patreon and unobtrusive advertising to keep him ticking over. I suppose it helps him in that he doesn't have the pressure of providing a newsy, ITK 'service'. Shame about Dave Mac giving up on QPR, I had followed him since BBC 606 days and he had always been just about the best-informed and most reliable source of info on QPR. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 29, 2024 12:04:08 GMT
Difference is Clive is a fan and is doing it as his hobby. Think the subscription subsidises some of his travel to away games, its not a business. Stan mentioned his parents still buy a newspaper but nobody else has. No offence to Stan's folks, but the generation who pay for content are dying off. When I was growing up you would get a fair bit of Rangers news from the Standard, but that is a joke these days. People will spend 4 quid for a frothy coffee but they won't pay for a newspaper. The result is local newspapers have all but died and the nationals are a shadow of their former selves. In the old days newspapers would have men on the ground in Ukraine and Gaza explaining what's going on - not so much now. So instead people get their news from twitter and the like in their own echo chambers - often being fed a lot of unreliable information and at the extreme end of things, conspiracy theories. Anyway, I digress, probably a bit off topic from poor old WLS.
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Post by Corbray on Feb 29, 2024 12:12:52 GMT
Difference is Clive is a fan and is doing it as his hobby. Think the subscription subsidises some of his travel to away games, its not a business. Stan mentioned his parents still buy a newspaper but nobody else has. No offence to Stan's folks, but the generation who pay for content are dying off. When I was growing up you would get a fair bit of Rangers news from the Standard, but that is a joke these days. People will spend 4 quid for a frothy coffee but they won't pay for a newspaper. The result is local newspapers have all but died and the nationals are a shadow of their former selves. In the old days newspapers would have men on the ground in Ukraine and Gaza explaining what's going on - not so much now. So instead people get their news from twitter and the like in their own echo chambers - often being fed a lot of unreliable information and at the extreme end of things, conspiracy theories. Anyway, I digress, probably a bit off topic from poor old WLS. as someone who loves a good coffee i'll disagree with that  . agree with everything else though. there's so many echochambers around its frightening. i'm liberal, probably considered very liberal and even "woke" by some on here but to that i say head over to reddit and see how bad it is on there. everything is about acceptance and celebrating extreme tolerance while also wrapping themselves in bubblewrap. i like reddit's content but they get high on their own scent on there. its also a bit of a dangerous place for developing mindsets too, its a hivemind of zero accoubtibility and one sided information. long gone are the days of people exploring both sides of an argument and then forming their own opinion. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 29, 2024 12:21:18 GMT
Exactly, you see it over Israel/Palestine. Its incredibly complex and there are arguments on both sides, but we seem to have lost the ability to even listen - let alone understand - the other guy's point of view.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 29, 2024 12:35:19 GMT
Difference is Clive is a fan and is doing it as his hobby. Think the subscription subsidises some of his travel to away games, its not a business. Stan mentioned his parents still buy a newspaper but nobody else has. No offence to Stan's folks, but the generation who pay for content are dying off. When I was growing up you would get a fair bit of Rangers news from the Standard, but that is a joke these days. People will spend 4 quid for a frothy coffee but they won't pay for a newspaper. The result is local newspapers have all but died and the nationals are a shadow of their former selves. In the old days newspapers would have men on the ground in Ukraine and Gaza explaining what's going on - not so much now. So instead people get their news from twitter and the like in their own echo chambers - often being fed a lot of unreliable information and at the extreme end of things, conspiracy theories. Anyway, I digress, probably a bit off topic from poor old WLS. I mention the silent generation and baby-boomers that still buy newspapers and magazines, but younger generations are more into the subscription model and are willing to pay for content they value that's behind pay-walls; or pay for Substack subscriptions for writers they appreciate. Then you have e.g. YouTube, Apple Podcasts and Spotify content creators, many of whom are good journalists earning a decent living from that model. (That's just a few examples). News, journalism etc still sells and always will, it's just the model and delivery mechanism that's changing. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 29, 2024 13:07:42 GMT
Difference is Clive is a fan and is doing it as his hobby. Think the subscription subsidises some of his travel to away games, its not a business. Stan mentioned his parents still buy a newspaper but nobody else has. No offence to Stan's folks, but the generation who pay for content are dying off. When I was growing up you would get a fair bit of Rangers news from the Standard, but that is a joke these days. People will spend 4 quid for a frothy coffee but they won't pay for a newspaper. The result is local newspapers have all but died and the nationals are a shadow of their former selves. In the old days newspapers would have men on the ground in Ukraine and Gaza explaining what's going on - not so much now. So instead people get their news from twitter and the like in their own echo chambers - often being fed a lot of unreliable information and at the extreme end of things, conspiracy theories. Anyway, I digress, probably a bit off topic from poor old WLS. I mention the silent generation and baby-boomers that still buy newspapers and magazines, but younger generations are more into the subscription model and are willing to pay for content they value that's behind pay-walls; or pay for Substack subscriptions for writers they appreciate. Then you have e.g. YouTube, Apple Podcasts and Spotify content creators, many of whom are good journalists earning a decent living from that model. (That's just a few examples). News, journalism etc still sells and always will, it's just the model and delivery mechanism that's changing. I get what you are saying and there is that subscription model for sure. But it doesn't cover nearly what there was. The Daily Telegraph had 800 journalists a decade ago, now less than 80. There are only a handful of foreign correspondents for any UK national newspaper now, and those are freelance. Sales accounted for 50% of revenue for newspapers, that has dwindled to very little indeed. Again to give you an example of the Telegraph, was selling over a million copies a day, now about 150,000 I believe. The other half of their revenue was advertising, with travel companies etc paying absolute fortunes. Now 90% of that advertising spend goes online to Google etc. Its an industry I used to know well and believe me there are only a tiny fraction of well paid people in it. And much lower down the food chain its why you get that guy - is he called something like "McCullough"? - who struggles to even ask a question bless him. I really feel for those guys because they are earning no money and then fans give them a hard time for not breaking a Watergate style investigation into what is really happening behind the scenes at Loftus Rd... |
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Post by West Acton on Feb 29, 2024 13:12:01 GMT
I struggle with Reddit Corbs but might give it another go. Just don’t like the format.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 29, 2024 13:25:27 GMT
I mention the silent generation and baby-boomers that still buy newspapers and magazines, but younger generations are more into the subscription model and are willing to pay for content they value that's behind pay-walls; or pay for Substack subscriptions for writers they appreciate. Then you have e.g. YouTube, Apple Podcasts and Spotify content creators, many of whom are good journalists earning a decent living from that model. (That's just a few examples). News, journalism etc still sells and always will, it's just the model and delivery mechanism that's changing. I get what you are saying and there is that subscription model for sure. But it doesn't cover nearly what there was. The Daily Telegraph had 800 journalists a decade ago, now less than 80. There are only a handful of foreign correspondents for any UK national newspaper now, and those are freelance. Sales accounted for 50% of revenue for newspapers, that has dwindled to very little indeed. Again to give you an example of the Telegraph, was selling over a million copies a day, now about 150,000 I believe. The other half of their revenue was advertising, with travel companies etc paying absolute fortunes. Now 90% of that advertising spend goes online to Google etc. Its an industry I used to know well and believe me there are only a tiny fraction of well paid people in it. And much lower down the food chain its why you get that guy - is he called something like "McCullough"? - who struggles to even ask a question bless him. I really feel for those guys because they are earning no money and then fans give them a hard time for not breaking a Watergate style investigation into what is really happening behind the scenes at Loftus Rd... Hear what you're saying Stains but there is still good money to be made; just not using the outdated model of traditional hard-copy newspapers & magazines. It's really a case of 'if you can't beat them, join them'. Good independent journalists, news-outlets, presenters and 'influencers' on Substack, Spotify, Apple, YouTube etc are now making good livings off those platforms. |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 29, 2024 14:04:59 GMT
I struggle with Reddit Corbs but might give it another go. Just don’t like the format. its great when you get used to it. a subreddit/forum for just about anything too. i mainly go on there for various things i like and general memes and funny videos |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 29, 2024 14:48:30 GMT
I struggle with Reddit Corbs but might give it another go. Just don’t like the format. its great when you get used to it. a subreddit/forum for just about anything too. i mainly go on there for various things i like and general memes and funny videos Cat videos, QPR, woke politics and hard core gay S&M... |
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Post by 1qprdk on Feb 29, 2024 16:04:05 GMT
its great when you get used to it. a subreddit/forum for just about anything too. i mainly go on there for various things i like and general memes and funny videos Cat videos, QPR, woke politics and hard core gay S&M... Can you post links please 🫣 |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 29, 2024 21:06:19 GMT
its great when you get used to it. a subreddit/forum for just about anything too. i mainly go on there for various things i like and general memes and funny videos Cat videos, QPR, woke politics and hard core gay S&M... a great friday night if done in reverse! |
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