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Post by 2Loftus on May 14, 2024 22:50:26 GMT
It’s more than a little perverse when blatantly racist remarks are allowed to go unchallenged by mods, but a post against racism is deleted from the main forum. Fuck me, the racist poster even has a KKK avatar (which I’m sure will be passed over a some kind of ‘joke’).
Comments on my admittedly ‘dark’ post included ‘unhelpful’ and ‘you’re better than that’.
Unhelpful, really? What, you don’t want to offend a blatant racist?
’Better than that’? I thought you lot were better than that, taking more offence at my post than the racist shit we’ve had to endure.
There are a few notable exceptions, and a largely decent bunch on here.
But enough is enough.
Take care all, and let’s hope for a push into the play-off places.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on May 14, 2024 23:58:05 GMT
I agree with you Loftus. Both on the original post and the KKK thing. I also found it perverse that you were moved to the graveyard slot while someone else’s proud racism was allowed to stand. A post earlier on from the mods setting out some basic standards could have saved a lot of grief.
I would though say in some defence of the mods it is a bloody difficult call about what to do with our late friend: do you let him carry on and let him show himself up, or do you ban him for being such a nasty, toxic presence (when some are then likely to cry “censorship”)? It’s a difficult call.
This site was started (I think) to avoid that pathetic schoolboy banning of posters every two minutes on the old site. OldR tested free speech to destruction and sadly it shows that if someone basically just wants to be a total arse then an early ban (at least for a period) is unavoidable.
I hope now Loftus that you will continue to post as I always enjoy reading your posts (not just because you are local to me).
Actually this has been pretty positive for the forum in a perverse way.
A clear line has been established.
But lots of different views can be accommodated.
Think the likes of Bill come out of this with credit. He is much more traditional than me and we have had our arguments but he would never say the stuff OldR did and was as fed up as the rest of us. What unites us is we all love this maddening, wonderful club.
Am actually more excited about the Rs than I have been in years, getting a couple of season tickets after a break these last couple of years and find everyone else on this forum a great bunch.
Here’s to a great season to all fans regardless of politics and hopefully the lesson for all of us (me included) is to argue, poke fun, be controversial, laugh - but also treat fellow fans with friendliness and respect.
Anyway I’ll shut up now because as you can prob tell I have been in the pub…
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Post by Stanley75 on May 15, 2024 0:43:13 GMT
So because we didn't engage with him and actually tried to take your advice by 'not feeding the troll' it's now our fault? Same odd logic there. Damned if we do, damned if we don't comes to mind. And your thread wasn't deleted but after responses like this to it: problem with op is that it doing the very thing it trying to prevent Extremely unhelpful post. C'mon man, you're better than this. This thread needs to be removed as it is exactly the type of thing we are trying to avoid on this forum On neither side just both shut up ffs I thought it best to compromise by moving it to off-topic - again, for the same reasons not to dignify it by rising to the bait. (His own posts were already on QPR related threads). And FYI he's gone anyway, which you would have seen if you'd checked before starting another thread on it. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on May 15, 2024 5:38:39 GMT
It’s more than a little perverse when blatantly racist remarks are allowed to go unchallenged by mods, but a post against racism is deleted from the main forum. Fuck me, the racist poster even has a KKK avatar (which I’m sure will be passed over a some kind of ‘joke’). Comments on my admittedly ‘dark’ post included ‘unhelpful’ and ‘you’re better than that’. Unhelpful, really? What, you don’t want to offend a blatant racist? ’Better than that’? I thought you lot were better than that, taking more offence at my post than the racist shit we’ve had to endure. There are a few notable exceptions, and a largely decent bunch on here. But enough is enough. Take care all, and let’s hope for a push into the play-off places. Blimey, once our championship status was secured I thought the drama was over. |
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Post by Corbray on May 15, 2024 5:41:09 GMT
loftus, i was as angry as anyone at that doofus and probably had the most interaction with him but agree with how the admins handled it. this messageboard is more or less self governing where brights and stan are more like custodians than petty kings ruling over a little corner of the internet.
it's better that way, if bans start getting thrown around then it sets a precedent and eventually the bar gets lower and lower so it's important to uphold a high threshold. yes, oldr was a megalomaniac racist but we can't look at it with hindsight. at the end of the day all that drama lasted what ... 2 days? the admins were right to give him chance after chance until he left them with no alternative. as for his KKK inspired DP i think he was just trying to be an edgelord rather than make a political statement.
JSYK i agreed with your initial post BUT also agree that it wasn't helping the situation.
no point leaving as you're a good poster and end of the day oldr is probably gunna read all this stuff and chuckle from his armchair thinking he's winning some made up battle.
best to just move on from all this crap.
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Post by alanwycombe on May 15, 2024 6:57:09 GMT
Don’t leave. He came on here to cause trouble and he has. He’s gone now. If we let him upset RFI he’s won. Some took issue with him, some preferred to keep out of it. That’s ok. Fuck him.
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Post by Rangers77 on May 15, 2024 7:15:00 GMT
Some of us are very political, but even we don't want to talk or read politics on here. Of any kind.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on May 15, 2024 7:17:10 GMT
My better than this remark was because you had done exactly what he wanted and brought him more attention, that's all, and you're a better person than that. I very much hope you weren't implying the comments on your post, including mine, were tantamount to supporting his racist views, because if that's the case you're bang out of order.
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Post by West Acton on May 15, 2024 7:23:42 GMT
I agree with Loftus and Stanis and how they feel. I myself questioned remaining on the forum when his views went unchallenged I’m still in two minds if honest.
It’s a good forum and the self regulation is a good thing which in the main has worked well but there surely has to be a line which can’t be crossed,but my thoughts are having read the bile he’s posted that there is not.
Maybe as a minority (not sure if there are others) on the forum and some of his tropes were directed at my background (apparently mixed race individuals lack passion) he’s views land differently to others. The profile picture should have been the last straw but he’s basically taken the piss.
He’s entitled to his views I’ve no doubt some posters agreed with him which again is their right but the question is what do we want the forum to be known for? WATRB had a reputation which it’s never shook off (for making stuff up) do we want RFI to go down the same road of getting a reputation it does not deserve?
He has gone Stan but is that his choice or the Mods. I suspect it’s his choice and he’s free to return at his desire, he should have been booted no ifs not buts.
To those that challenged him in the open thread you have gone up in my estimation 👊🏽
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Post by Rangers77 on May 15, 2024 7:52:24 GMT
You're the best poster on here, West. Held in high esteem, fella. Let's not allow that mentalist to have any impact in any way.
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Post by Corbray on May 15, 2024 8:10:37 GMT
he got his comeuppance in the end westy. if he'd been banned from the get go then that would have been it but the tongue lashing he got from numerous users on this forum over the past few days will likely live in his mind for a long time. he's that kind of guy, he wants everyone to see him as a prophet but when they throw stones at him you just know that it really riles him up. an early ban wouldn't have done that. he'll pretend that it doesn't bother him but i guarantee he'll be angrily thinking about it while he sits in his armchair.
i genuinely don't think anyone here agrees with his views tbh, bill has the most old school view of any of us and he also called oldr out for his bullshit. we all hold differing views but at the end of the day we put them all aside on this forum for our shared love of QPR. everyone is welcome unless they give a reason to not be welcomed.
where that line is though idk, i wouldn't have even called for his ban even after he called me a bender as it's just a word coming from someone i hold in very low regard. maybe he should have been banned after the KKK pic but again, it's him trying to lash out and act like he's not bothered like when a child scrapes their knee but tells their friends that they're okay and not going to cry even though they really want too lol.
if he deleted his account then yes, admins should make that a permanent choice for him.
anyway no, you're not permitted to leave the forum. one of the best and most active posters and it wouldn't be the same if i didn't see your daily posts criticizing my boy sinclair armstrong.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on May 15, 2024 8:17:32 GMT
There was a certain inevitability about that I am afraid. Probably my fault for commenting on what a great little community we have here a few days ago !  It would be a real shame if there is collateral damage and the loss of some genuinely well-respected posters as a result. It really would. |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 15, 2024 8:39:50 GMT
He has gone Stan but is that his choice or the Mods. I suspect it’s his choice and he’s free to return at his desire He deleted his own account. That's now the second time he's done that. I warned him last time to just sign out instead, which he promised to do. He broke that promise so he absolutely will never be allowed to return here, not to mention all the other issues he's caused. The fact that he left and deleted his own account is a victory in itself, rather than resorting to banning. As I've said before, I'm a free-speech absolutist* because ultimately I believe sunlight to be the best disinfectant. If someone chooses to post such content then let them be challenged for it and let them dig their own hole, rather than censorship which can come with its own set of issues. I was out at work all day but by the time I'd logged in it was clear several posters had done an excellent job of doing just that. So in the end he leaves with his tail between his legs, never to return, and we all win. * with the exception of incitement to violence; or e.g. screaming "fire" in a packed cinema for no reason other than to cause panic - all of which we have laws against. |
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Post by West Acton on May 15, 2024 9:09:38 GMT
You're the best poster on here, West. Held in high esteem, fella. Let's not allow that mentalist to have any impact in any way. appreciate the comment 77. The board has some really good posters and content way above what I contribute. |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 15, 2024 9:23:45 GMT
I wonder who he was? Westy probably knows him, knows every other fucker we see away😂
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 15, 2024 10:00:54 GMT
You're the best poster on here, West. Held in high esteem, fella. Let's not allow that mentalist to have any impact in any way. appreciate the comment 77. The bored has some really good posters and content way above what I contribute. board ffs , Fucking illiterate 😀 Well everyone else is throwing it about apparently |
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Post by West Acton on May 15, 2024 10:16:39 GMT
appreciate the comment 77. The bored has some really good posters and content way above what I contribute. board ffs , Fucking illiterate 😀 Well everyone else is throwing it about apparently you do make me smile and have amended 😁 plus you’re not far off 😋 |
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Post by The General on May 15, 2024 11:52:20 GMT
If hes gone then good its over
Loftus come back we all love you
As Sulley says on Top Boy - ITS OVER
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Post by The General on May 15, 2024 11:55:42 GMT
You're the best poster on here, West. Held in high esteem, fella. Let's not allow that mentalist to have any impact in any way. Im Spartacus  |
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Post by James1979 on May 15, 2024 12:12:24 GMT
I didn’t really read all his posts as they were too long and boring and self righteous. I hope both of you don’t leave the forum, it will be a worse place without you.
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Post by James1979 on May 15, 2024 12:13:59 GMT
I also didn’t notice he had a KKK avatar…..fuck sorry about that, if I’d noticed that too, I’d have called it out.
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Post by MattyRangers on May 15, 2024 12:26:43 GMT
I also didn’t notice he had a KKK avatar…..fuck sorry about that, if I’d noticed that too, I’d have called it out. Fucking hell missed that n all, did he really? Have to admit, like others above, I tended to ignore his shit spouting of late as cba with it (his Thierry Henry crap was enough to put me off opening threads he last posted in tbh lol). Good for those who called him out though. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on May 15, 2024 12:54:56 GMT
His cameo was toxic. Didn't read his posts after first two or three and would certainly have used ignore button if the season was still on.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on May 15, 2024 13:30:12 GMT
I also didn’t notice he had a KKK avatar…..fuck sorry about that, if I’d noticed that too, I’d have called it out. Blimey did he? I didn't notice that at all. |
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Post by Corbray on May 15, 2024 13:44:18 GMT
it was a black and white pic of a KKK member with "Queens Park Rangers" written on the front of the robe.
i think he did it as he was an ultra cool edgelord and to seem like being called racist was some kind of joke.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on May 15, 2024 13:55:50 GMT
I think it was a crop of a photo of when the fans walked to Wembley in 1967 carrying a coffin. I have definitely seen it before somewhere.
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Post by coneysboots on May 15, 2024 14:05:34 GMT
I think it was a crop of a photo of when the fans walked to Wembley in 1967 carrying a coffin. I have definitely seen it before somewhere. Yes, that's it. I have seen it a few times over the years. |
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Post by 2Loftus on May 15, 2024 14:20:50 GMT
StanNo 'fault' implied - you have a thankless task moderating the forum and, as you say, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. I did acknowledge that my post (rant?) was moved, though described it as having been deleted from the main thread. I appreciate you tried to find a compromise, but I don't think any compromise is possible on racism. I had been deliberately not engaging with the racist git. But when he posted his blatantly racist drivel, I couldn't let that pass without comment. When that was (predictably) talked over by the shit, I posted my 'Do not feed the Troll' thread. I appreciate it attracted attention and gave him the oxygen he wanted, but I wanted to express my disgust at his poisonous views in away that would not be lost in comments on another thread. Rangers77I agree, we don't want to be reading about politics on here. But I don't believe racism can be simply categorised as 'politics' It's deeply personal and needs to be called out every time. Ginga NinjaYes, my post clearly gave him attention, but as in my note to Stan, it was made to highlight the issue, without entering into any kind of dialogue with the racist shit. There was absolutely no implication that anyone on this forum was supporting the racist's views. EveryoneThanks all - back in the mix 
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 15, 2024 14:28:23 GMT
I think it was a crop of a photo of when the fans walked to Wembley in 1967 carrying a coffin. I have definitely seen it before somewhere. it is |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 15, 2024 14:30:52 GMT
StanNo 'fault' implied - you have a thankless task moderating the forum and, as you say, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. I did acknowledge that my post (rant?) was moved, though described it as having been deleted from the main thread. I appreciate you tried to find a compromise, but I don't think any compromise is possible on racism. I had been deliberately not engaging with the racist git. But when he posted his blatantly racist drivel, I couldn't let that pass without comment. When that was (predictably) talked over by the shit, I posted my 'Do not feed the Troll' thread. I appreciate it attracted attention and gave him the oxygen he wanted, but I wanted to express my disgust at his poisonous views in away that would not be lost in comments on another thread. Rangers77I agree, we don't want to be reading about politics on here. But I don't believe racism can be simply categorised as 'politics' It's deeply personal and needs to be called out every time. Ginga NinjaYes, my post clearly gave him attention, but as in my note to Stan, it was made to highlight the issue, without entering into any kind of dialogue with the racist shit. There was absolutely no implication that anyone on this forum was supporting the racist's views. EveryoneThanks all - back in the mix ffs , got to edit my post now on who’s leaving this summer thread |
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