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Post by Bill on Oct 1, 2024 15:37:05 GMT
Or they’re trying move opposition out of position to trigger ball forward. Do agree midfield players need to be braver. I get frustration of fans I genuinely do but even if you watch top sides like Arsenal city Liverpool etc they often go side to side before going forwards it’s not just us. In ideal world you have players who can play on the pivot/turn as adds a dimension. I personally would not be questioning the passing at the back but what the players do with it when it does go forward ie Smyth example what does he do? Usually ends in him jumping in air clapping his hands after losing it (watch him) Agree but most top teams play this style because they have intelligence,play the ball quicker,first touch is better and invariably there is an end product. Often the first touch is a first time pass played with purpose with players moving off each other. In the old days it was pass and move A lot of our players dont move they just pass and watch. Its quite basic stuff really. |
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Post by Bill on Oct 4, 2024 16:18:08 GMT
Six newbies all pretty much not up to the task imo.
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Post by James1979 on Oct 4, 2024 17:22:31 GMT
Unbelievably harsh. I think it’s naive to think that 6 players; 5 of which have never played in England are just going to perform from the start.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 4, 2024 18:02:23 GMT
Sorry Bill, but I have to agree with James. After just 8 games it's way to early to write off players who are brand new to the league. Patience required, especially from the fans....particularly when some were starting to show signs of improvement in the last game.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 4, 2024 19:35:38 GMT
some will come good and some will absolutely flop. that's the nature of football. nardi has adapted exceptionally well but he's a keeper, the job there is pretty much straight forward lol.
i don't think any team ever gets every signing right (except for brighton it seems!) but we need to be patient and let things play out. as time goes on the cream will rise to the top.
look at some of our previous signings or youth team graduates. JCS was labeled as a crock and uninterested and now he's one of the best defenders in the league, paal was too lightweight and well off the pace, BOS was not good enough for the league and some people even questioned why we were bothering with eze as he was no more than a luxury player!
they all turned out alright in the end.
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Post by MattyRangers on Oct 4, 2024 19:43:42 GMT
some will come good and some will absolutely flop. that's the nature of football. nardi has adapted exceptionally well but he's a keeper, the job there is pretty much straight forward lol. i don't think any team ever gets every signing right (except for brighton it seems!) but we need to be patient and let things play out. as time goes on the cream will rise to the top. look at some of our previous signings or youth team graduates. JCS was labeled as a crock and uninterested and now he's one of the best defenders in the league, paal was too lightweight and well off the pace, BOS was not good enough for the league and some people even questioned why we were bothering with eze as he was no more than a luxury player! they all turned out alright in the end. Stop with your measured opinions & common sense! |
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Post by acricketer on Oct 4, 2024 22:44:19 GMT
If they were milk, it would be zero percent fat.
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Post by James1979 on Oct 4, 2024 22:50:36 GMT
Again i think some of you are being unbelievably harsh. We’ve got to be patient with these lads. Look at Frey last season!
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 5, 2024 11:07:25 GMT
some will come good and some will absolutely flop. that's the nature of football. nardi has adapted exceptionally well but he's a keeper, the job there is pretty much straight forward lol. i don't think any team ever gets every signing right (except for brighton it seems!) but we need to be patient and let things play out. as time goes on the cream will rise to the top. look at some of our previous signings or youth team graduates. JCS was labeled as a crock and uninterested and now he's one of the best defenders in the league, paal was too lightweight and well off the pace, BOS was not good enough for the league and some people even questioned why we were bothering with eze as he was no more than a luxury player! they all turned out alright in the end. Signed O'Riley who had his ankle smashed in his first competitive game, so not always lucky. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 5, 2024 11:23:16 GMT
Nardi is a great signing.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 5, 2024 13:04:57 GMT
some will come good and some will absolutely flop. that's the nature of football. nardi has adapted exceptionally well but he's a keeper, the job there is pretty much straight forward lol. i don't think any team ever gets every signing right (except for brighton it seems!) but we need to be patient and let things play out. as time goes on the cream will rise to the top. look at some of our previous signings or youth team graduates. JCS was labeled as a crock and uninterested and now he's one of the best defenders in the league, paal was too lightweight and well off the pace, BOS was not good enough for the league and some people even questioned why we were bothering with eze as he was no more than a luxury player! they all turned out alright in the end. Signed O'Riley who had his ankle smashed in his first competitive game, so not always lucky. that just means he will bounce back next year and win the balon d'Or |
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Post by Bill on Oct 5, 2024 13:52:30 GMT
Sorry Bill, but I have to agree with James. After just 8 games it's way to early to write off players who are brand new to the league. Patience required, especially from the fans....particularly when some were starting to show signs of improvement in the last game. Time to step up today Stan |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 5, 2024 13:57:02 GMT
I agree that it's too early to write them off but Bill is right in that they've not been up to task at all so far, with the exception of Nardi who's been excellent imo.
They've all come from other countries and other leagues and need to get up to speed with the Championship and that takes time, especially given a couple of them are a bit younger. Whether they do or not is anyone's guess.
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Post by Bill on Oct 5, 2024 15:31:57 GMT
some will come good and some will absolutely flop. that's the nature of football. nardi has adapted exceptionally well but he's a keeper, the job there is pretty much straight forward lol. i don't think any team ever gets every signing right (except for brighton it seems!) but we need to be patient and let things play out. as time goes on the cream will rise to the top. look at some of our previous signings or youth team graduates. JCS was labeled as a crock and uninterested and now he's one of the best defenders in the league, paal was too lightweight and well off the pace, BOS was not good enough for the league and some people even questioned why we were bothering with eze as he was no more than a luxury player! they all turned out alright in the end. Stop with your measured opinions & common sense! Turning out well today. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 5, 2024 15:37:28 GMT
Stop with your measured opinions & common sense! Turning out well today. Apparently we just need to turn up and our technical ability will be enough. Or so I keep getting told |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 5, 2024 15:53:01 GMT
Apparently we just need to turn up and our technical ability will be enough. Or so I keep getting told Three teams have bullied us in Sheff Weds, Millwall and this lot today. None of them are any good but until we protect our players then they we will continue to look as bad as we are showing |
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 5, 2024 16:30:38 GMT
Nardi is also shit, because he hasn't kept a clean sheet, which is totally his fault, because of his poor communication skills. At least that's what I'm told.
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Oct 5, 2024 16:33:09 GMT
Nardi & Dembele are ok,the rest of them,fucking crap....and that's being kind!!
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Post by Timmy Doc on Oct 5, 2024 16:53:07 GMT
Nardi is also shit, because he hasn't kept a clean sheet, which is totally his fault, because of his poor communication skills. At least that's what I'm told. I don't care if he's Donnarumma, but if you concede a goal in nine consecutive games, something needs to change. I would start Walsh just to wake up our defence. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 5, 2024 18:19:06 GMT
Weak physically and zero pace not good combination
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Post by Bill on Oct 5, 2024 19:10:53 GMT
Get back to basics make ourselves hard yo beat.
Play who is prepared to battle and play for the shirt.
He Marti must change to a more physical approach.
If it were me got to be 442 at home and 531 away.
His call but persistance with this line up is bordering on suicidal.
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Post by James1979 on Oct 5, 2024 19:22:55 GMT
I don’t disagree but we have been without JCS and Colback who would be starters for me. And Varane who covers for 1 of Field
And Colback. Without these players (and Morrison) we end up with Dunne at centre back (not great),Santos and Ashby as right
Back options (terrible) and a piss weak central midfield.
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Post by Bill on Oct 5, 2024 19:27:59 GMT
Injuries happen sadly but you cant play the midfield he played today.
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Post by James1979 on Oct 5, 2024 19:30:12 GMT
Injuries happen sadly but you cant play the midfield he played today. Who would you have played? EDB? |
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Post by Bill on Oct 5, 2024 19:38:58 GMT
Injuries happen sadly but you cant play the midfield he played today. Who would you have played? EDB? Depends whether you play 3 4 or 5 man midfield. Would of played Fox,Edb and Lloyd Chair at ht. Changes were needed ht but waited until we went behind. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 5, 2024 19:48:13 GMT
Dozzell was better than Madsen, Dykes more effective (to date) than Cellar, and Willock minus his hamstrings more effective than Andersen. Oh, and Osman Kakay’s grandad prob better than Ashby
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Post by James1979 on Oct 5, 2024 19:51:20 GMT
Dozzell was better than Madsen, Dykes more effective (to date) than Cellar, and Willock minus his hamstrings more effective than Andersen. Oh, and Osman Kakay’s grandad prob better than Ashby Willocks replacement is Dembele. Frey is taking up Dykes role. Madsen…..give you that one. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 6, 2024 9:00:28 GMT
Think Bill has summarised it pretty well Need to get back to what made us good backend of last season which was being hard to beat, organised and keeping clean sheets; that has evaporated this season. Need to play as many of last seasons players as possible but not sure of current squad who adequately replaces Willock and Hayden. Willock not great last season but what he did do was put balls into the box, were simply not doing that this season which is starving Frey and in fairness Celar. We play all our football in front of teams not behind them which makes us a pretty easy side to face. We never break quickly especially when keeper has ball from defensive set pieces. Sides are never as vulnerable as they are after being in attacking set piece as everyone is out of position but we get ball and trot up pitch let them all get back then role it out. If we’re going get most out of Dembele and Saito then leave one up from corners so opposition have to leave two back and when keeper collects ball the other gets into space quickly so can spring into the attack. They are both 5ft nothing so what purpose are they really serving from corners so turn that weakness into an attacking opportunity. Play once white fed up seeing players lying on belly looking at ref with hands up having not won free kick. Happened three times yesterday. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 6, 2024 9:04:38 GMT
Dozzell was better than Madsen, Dykes more effective (to date) than Cellar, and Willock minus his hamstrings more effective than Andersen. Oh, and Osman Kakay’s grandad prob better than Ashby Willocks replacement is Dembele. Frey is taking up Dykes role. Madsen…..give you that one. on showings so far he’s don’t look even close to replacing him. I compare Dembele to BOS aside from stature both similar as quick, decent with feet but compare Dembele to BOS he got on ball and drove forward pushing ball past people and backing himself to get to byline don’t see any of that from Dembele he seems get past man and give it someone else instead of saying ok I’m ahead of you now I’m going take you to the cleaners. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 6, 2024 9:46:25 GMT
Dozzell was better than Madsen, Dykes more effective (to date) than Cellar, and Willock minus his hamstrings more effective than Andersen. Oh, and Osman Kakay’s grandad prob better than Ashby As difficult as it is to admit, I don't think you're far wrong here tbh. |
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