Karamoko Dembélé

Obviously talented but finding life in this league tough.

He's awesome as he played for Celtic when he was just 16.

very talented player and did some nice things today but has dropped off a bit after his first few games. still expect him to come good though but like all the players he needs to step it up.

Who would you replace him with Bill, and what would your team be, out of interest?

him Saito and Smyth all equally as bad as each other.

Could chair go left and try Saito on right see how that goes.

Lloyd STRONGER more presence and potential.

actually that bit isn't quite true.

There have been instances where the playing staff have taken control of things when it became clear that management was failing. Problem is, to do this you need a bedrock of experience on the park. The most notable example was from rugby when Harlequins coached themselves all the way to the prem title in 21. They just went out there and did it their way, which was very different from the way their head coach wanted them to play. He subsequently left and they went on to win the title without a gaffer.

When Joe Fagan took over from Shankly at Liverpool, the senior players basically ran the show. During this period they were incredibly successful. But again, they had a foundation of experienced pros on hand. People talk about the cultural impact of Wenger at Arsenal, but he massively relied on that experienced defence to get through the transition. 

We've got too many newcomers and precious few leaders, so this approach doesn't apply to us, plus I'd like to think Marti will get a grip. He needs to, because I don't see any guvnors in a hooped shirt.