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Post by West Acton on Jul 22, 2019 16:43:35 GMT
I have hold hands up and say was impressed early on with how we done our business, getting players in early but last week or so I’m starting to raise my eyebrows and think what’s going on
Players leave, I accept that, and we will never know the ins and outs of contracts and deals, but we seem to let players go at market value or below when others get a premium
Now we’re targeting areas where we seem comfortable whilst still waiting to address area were desperate in. I’m sure there is a plan and strategy to what’s happening but we’re approaching squeaky bum time.
What started as a good window is now becoming rather bizarre
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 22, 2019 16:45:40 GMT
I have hold hands up and say was impressed early on with how we done our business, getting players in early but last week or so I’m starting to raise my eyebrows and think what’s going on Players leave, I accept that, and we will never know the ins and outs of contracts and deals, but we seem to let players go at market value or below when others get a premium Now we’re targeting areas where we seem comfortable whilst still waiting to address area were desperate in. I’m sure there is a plan and strategy to what’s happening but we’re approaching squeaky bum time. What started as a good window is now becoming rather bizarre How I see it mate is we've done all we can do on the cheap. We need strikers and the ones we want cost money. Hence a few are leaving that us fans would rather we weren't selling! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 17:31:04 GMT
Really not sure what to think about it all and would love to know from top level board what the level of ambition is for this season.
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Post by acricketer on Jul 22, 2019 18:22:13 GMT
Really not sure what to think about it all and would love to know from top level board what the level of ambition is for this season. Break even |
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Post by Corbray on Jul 22, 2019 18:48:43 GMT
no news on mass either. what happens if we don't sell him? would rather we sold him than furlong thats for sure.
i'm sure though that once furlong and mass go we'd have recouped around 11-12m in player sales altogether which isn't bad. still, its been very drastic lol, i'm still not entirely familiar who's who in the team!
sterling sounds like a good signing though who'll fit nicely into warburton's style of play, coventry fans think he was one of the best rightbacks in league 1 last season. my main concern is what if warburtons style of play doesn't work? we don't have many options in the squad to change things up if need be
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Post by Shania on Jul 22, 2019 19:57:11 GMT
I have hold hands up and say was impressed early on with how we done our business, getting players in early but last week or so I’m starting to raise my eyebrows and think what’s going on Players leave, I accept that, and we will never know the ins and outs of contracts and deals, but we seem to let players go at market value or below when others get a premium Now we’re targeting areas where we seem comfortable whilst still waiting to address area were desperate in. I’m sure there is a plan and strategy to what’s happening but we’re approaching squeaky bum time. What started as a good window is now becoming rather bizarre How I see it mate is we've done all we can do on the cheap. We need strikers and the ones we want cost money. Hence a few are leaving that us fans would rather we weren't selling! Sense!! |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 22, 2019 20:00:22 GMT
Mas is off to Forest I think Corbs. The price will be less than most will like as well. ☹
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 20:20:05 GMT
No suprise Tarbie if that is the case. What happens when the cupboard is bare and no more assets to sell?
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 22, 2019 20:24:14 GMT
Just been saying exactly the same to my pal on the phone 73. All well and good selling who we have to in order to compete this season. But when we've stripped every asset and we're still an average Championship side we might have a problem. Puts so much pressure on our youth setup to keep finding good youngsters!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 20:42:20 GMT
Very worrying times for the club Tarbie as no way will we draw in too much in this time next year if we are need to sell.
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Post by Hitman34 on Jul 22, 2019 20:49:58 GMT
Very worrying times for the club Tarbie as no way will we draw in too much in this time next year if we are need to sell. just gotta hope eze has a great season mate, then we can sell him for |£6/7 mil and replace him with another free transfer or loan. bungle is scrapeing back as much money as he can. so far, he must have made near 7mil in sales this window. all he has spent is 50k on some pants scottish keeper |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 20:55:17 GMT
Hits. The total mis management and incompetence of the man is now coming to the fore and his boom and bust attitude to contracts has sent us to a place we should never have got to. 250k 10 match bonus to one player on 65k basic and 250k after every six months for the duration. That is the sort of dough that the man was chucking around.
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Post by hubble on Jul 22, 2019 22:06:39 GMT
I agree with the OP, whichever way you look at it, it is a bizarre transfer window. I guess this is what conforming to FFP looks like, version 4.11 AKA O/S Warburton. Who knows, maybe this upgrade will work.. ? It might be like Windows 7 or OSX, and hopefully not Vista.
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Post by acricketer on Jul 22, 2019 22:33:31 GMT
We have no real base to build on. "Il faut cultiver notre jardin"
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Post by Rangers77 on Jul 22, 2019 22:51:01 GMT
Cut Price Floundering Stadium....
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jul 23, 2019 0:12:24 GMT
This window has been so odd I'm half expecting us to end up with Charlie Austin, Gary Hooper and Ross McCormack as our striking options !
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Post by Hitman34 on Jul 23, 2019 10:35:09 GMT
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Post by Hitman34 on Jul 23, 2019 10:39:56 GMT
more bullshit from bungle.
Kept telling us he is not a property developer and has no desire to be one.
but yet, he has land on old oak to build houses and offices, attending property confrences around the world, etc etc.
oh, but of course your doing it for qpr fans.
#venkysmark2
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 23, 2019 11:28:40 GMT
As of now we have no strikers and the CB area looks a problem.
So much for getting business done early.
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 23, 2019 11:43:18 GMT
As of now we have no strikers and the CB area looks a problem. So much for getting business done early. But we have got a lot of business done very early mate. Make no mistake, we had a huge job on our hands this summer. Half the squad either out of contract or looking to leave, a deficit of somewhere around 5m quid to recoup in order to keep in line with our FFP requirements, a smaller budget for wages than we've had in a decade, no funds to spend until a number of players were sold, not to mention a new manager coming in and needing to hit the ground running. I don't know what some fans expect. This was always going to be a very difficult transfer window for the club and I think we've done very well so far and landed some promising young players. Of course I'm a bit disappointed that some decent players are leaving, and for a lot less money than I'd like. But this is the situation that we are in, and I'm sure the funds from the sale of Furlong and possibly Lumley will be put to good use in landing some attacking options before the season kicks off. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 23, 2019 11:44:58 GMT
the CB area looks a problem In what way? Leistner Barbet Hall Masterson Ball Hämäläinen (can cover there too) |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 23, 2019 11:54:38 GMT
the CB area looks a problem In what way? Leistner Barbet Hall Masterson Ball Hämäläinen (can cover there too) Totally agree mate, I'm not concerned at all about centre halves. We'll need a new right back if Furlong is going, but it seems we have this youngster lined up from Chelsea on loan. Aside from that I see the gaps in the squad as strikers and and perhaps an attacking midfielder/playmaker. |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 23, 2019 12:14:31 GMT
Cameron if he comes in can play CB too
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Jul 23, 2019 12:38:39 GMT
CB wise I think we are pretty solid. Especially if Hall can stay fir for the season and there is no reason why he shouldn't.
I personally think Leinster might be sold and that's why we are being linked with other CB's.
In general the way we have conducted business has been pretty bizarre as the OP states. However, imo the bizarre bit is more aimed at the prices we are demanding for player as I personally feel we are panic selling and not achieving the best fee's possible.
I think we could of achieved more for Freeman and Smith respectfully and we should be achieving more for Furlong.
What has impressed me is the shrewd useage of the loan market and signings like Amos and Smith should not be underestimated. Both lads are very talented, play good football and will help us compete next season. Add to the mix someone like Cameron we have some good options in the centre of the park.
Although the Furlong sale doesn't make sense to me financially, if we do land Sterling then the club again have got a bit of coup as that boy is very talented. The lad Matterson has a lot of potential as well.
If we can add 2 or 3 decent strikers then we might surprise a few teams.
Kelly
Sterling Hall Barbet manning
Amos Smith
BOS Eze Judge
Nketiah
That's not a bad championship team imo. Full of energy and youth and talent, surrounded hopefully by the likes of Cameron, Scowen, Wallace and Rangel and other options like chair and Shopido ect who can come on and effect the game. The good news about the squad is there could be cases for other players to start ie Cameron along one of the young lads ect.
I am aware that Nkeitah and Judge are not part of the team but if we were able to sign players of that ilk it would make us pretty competitive imo?
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 23, 2019 12:43:45 GMT
You know the thought that the BFG might be off had crossed my mind too Maids. The manager seems to want to play out from the back and as such, Hall appears to be ahead of him in the pecking order. I also heard this week that Leistner is actually one of our highest earners. If there is decent money on the table for him, I could understand if the club wanted to cash in.
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Jul 23, 2019 13:29:16 GMT
You know the thought that the BFG might be off had crossed my mind too Maids. The manager seems to want to play out from the back and as such, Hall appears to be ahead of him in the pecking order. I also heard this week that Leistner is actually one of our highest earners. If there is decent money on the table for him, I could understand if the club wanted to cash in. There's been rumours for a while that although he likes playing at QPR his family haven't settled in London. I personally think if we were to get a decent bid we would sell and can see us taking someone like Worral on loan with a view to a permanent or the lad from Rotherham we are linked with and I know nothing about. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 23, 2019 14:27:53 GMT
It's easy to mistake quantity for quality. No disrespect but someone like Leistner is not a quality CB.
A fit Hall and Barbet are the sum total of our quality CBs at this level, and Hall has it all to prove in terms of recovery. You can have all the cover you want, but they have to be up to it. In terms of quality, CB and up top is where we're lacking, particulalry the latter. Likewise you can play all the football in the world but you have to stick it in their net on a fairly regular basis and keep your own arse clean at the same time. The basics.
It's intereresting that everyone is so confident about an incoming striker with a similar stike / assists rate to the one we've lost. Who is also faster and better on the deck. I can't wait. I'd take one of those on the cheap, and on the cheap is all we've got.
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Post by hubble on Jul 23, 2019 14:37:25 GMT
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 23, 2019 14:49:52 GMT
It's easy to mistake quantity for quality. No disrespect but someone like Leistner is not a quality CB. A fit Hall and Barbet are the sum total of our quality CBs at this level, and Hall has it all to prove in terms of recovery. You can have all the cover you want, but they have to be up to it. In terms of quality, CB and up top is where we're lacking, particulalry the latter. Likewise you can play all the football in the world but you have to stick it in their net on a fairly regular basis and keep your own arse clean at the same time. The basics. It's intereresting that everyone is so confident about an incoming striker with a similar stike / assists rate to the one we've lost. Who is also faster and better on the deck. I can't wait. I'd take one of those on the cheap, and on the cheap is all we've got. Serious question mate, how much have you actually seen of our new signings, particularly Ball and Masterson? I'd hazard a guess, probably about as much as you'd seen of Grant Hall when he signed from Spurs. How about we give them a chance before we start writing them off? As for the striker thing, I dunno why you are so negative about that as well. There are loads of Premiership clubs that will be looking to ship decent strikers out on season long loans. The problem until now is that we haven't had the funds to get the deals over the line, or the parent clubs have been waiting to land their own targets before finally allowing these players to head out on loan. It will all fall into place in the coming week or 2. I'll say it again. What is required is a bit of patience and some appreciation for the situation the club is in! |
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Post by Hitman34 on Jul 23, 2019 15:34:03 GMT
my first 4 names on the team sheet...
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