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Post by acricketer on Oct 7, 2019 13:15:05 GMT
those who've seen him. Is Kelly the answer? If the question is : What is the surname of the famous Australian outlaw, Ned? |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Oct 7, 2019 13:25:47 GMT
those who've seen him. Is Kelly the answer? If the question is : What is the surname of the famous Australian outlaw, Ned? Or what is the first name of the amazingly curvaceous model. |
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Post by Corbray on Oct 7, 2019 16:37:21 GMT
those who've seen him. Is Kelly the answer? Not for me. Awesome with the ball at his feet. I mean better than a lot of centre halves. Goalkeeping wise, not Championship level in my opinion. Although I base a lot of that on what I saw before he signed for us and pre-season. His performances in competitive games have neither been good nor bad. He's not done anything outstandingly good or bad. Polar opposite to Lumley, who looks equally capable of pulling off a world class save or tripping over the ball and giving a goal away. All said and done, I think Lumley is the better keeper. He just needs some work on certain aspects of his game. summed up right imo. not seen enough of kelly yet to properly judge him but his livingston highlights still concern me as he won't get away with the kind of saves down here that he was doing in scotland. think lumley will be a prem keeper one day but dropping him is for the best imo, the pressure was getting to him and his confidence looked a bit shattered |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 7, 2019 16:43:59 GMT
Don’t trust those videos. Any player can be made too look as bad or as good as person doing videos wants
Personally judge them on how they perform in hoops. So far in league and cup not a foot wrong. Long may it continue
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 7, 2019 16:44:01 GMT
Do we have a decent keeping coach? I posted on another thread that Lumley makes some great saves so clearly has talent but it's his concentration and decision making that let him down - a good coach's job to sort out.
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 7, 2019 17:28:23 GMT
Do we have a decent keeping coach? I posted on another thread that Lumley makes some great saves so clearly has talent but it's his concentration and decision making that let him down - a good coach's job to sort out. Gavin Ward has been GK coach for around 3-4 years now. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 7, 2019 17:47:18 GMT
Not sure you can coach concentration. You can teach skills via practise and repetition but focus I think you have it or you don’t. Only person changing that is Lumley
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 7, 2019 17:47:59 GMT
Don’t trust those videos. Any player can be made too look as bad or as good as person doing videos wants Personally judge them on how they perform in hoops. So far in league and cup not a foot wrong. Long may it continue See you say 'ain't put a foot wrong', and maybe that's true. But Lumley does better than not putting a foot wrong when it comes to shot stopping. He pulls off stops that most keepers couldn't at this level. His height also means he'll reach things that a shorter keeper like Kelly won't. But obviously Kelly is far better with the ball at his feet. As I said earlier, it's a conundrum. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 7, 2019 18:16:35 GMT
Kelly has the shirt now. It’s his to lose it IMO.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 7, 2019 18:37:08 GMT
Kelly has the shirt now. It’s his to lose it IMO. this |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 7, 2019 18:43:50 GMT
Kelly has the shirt now. It’s his to lose it IMO. Probably right mate. I still can't help but think Lumley will go on to be far the better keeper out of the 2 though. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 2, 2020 10:29:30 GMT
Yes great assist by Lumley,and genrally much better except the clanger at the end.
Watched him carefully yesterday,his main problems seem to be self belief,doesnt really set him self like most keepers,most corners and free kicks from threatening areas he never seems on his toes as it were,his decision making is poor and his concentration needs improving.
I think physically he has the attributes to be a good keeper but really needs to work hard on the psyhological side of the game.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 2, 2020 11:11:25 GMT
Has the game Bill, lacks concentration.
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Post by spongeparr on Jan 2, 2020 11:15:37 GMT
Reminds me a bit of Joe Hart, whereby he would be too pumped up.
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Post by Hitman34 on Jan 2, 2020 11:56:08 GMT
We cannot continue to go into each game needing to score 2 plus goals in order to give us a chance at getting three points.
his one handed shot stoppers are good, very good in fact but, he does not seem able to catch a ball or time the high balls, corners well.
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Post by esoxlucius on Jan 2, 2020 15:51:37 GMT
We cannot continue to go into each game needing to score 2 plus goals in order to give us a chance at getting three points. his one handed shot stoppers are good, very good in fact but, he does not seem able to catch a ball or time the high balls, corners well. Well get to the games and encourage him. When his confidence returns, his form may follow. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 2, 2020 19:40:23 GMT
We should hire Steve Black to work on his confidence,imo.
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Post by hal9thou on Jan 3, 2020 13:31:31 GMT
There were times when that big lad got into the box for them and completely dominated proceedings, smacked the bar at 1-0, and this was a game where we were supposed to be in charge. We still look very vulnerable with any incoming aerial stuff from dangerous areas.
I think it would help the carnage tendency back there if we a) stick with full backs b) stick with a four and c) get whoever is in goal in command of that box. Everyone danger side of the penalty spot needs owning by the GK. I don't see that at the moment. I don't see anyone in command.
Make them your bitches Joe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 13:36:03 GMT
There were times when that big lad got into the box for them and completely dominated proceedings, smacked the bar at 1-0, and this was a game where we were supposed to be in charge. We still look very vulnerable with any incoming aerial stuff from dangerous areas. I think it would help the carnage tendency back there if we a) stick with full backs b) stick with a four and c) get whoever is in goal in command of that box. Everyone danger side of the penalty spot needs owning by the GK. I don't see that at the moment. I don't see anyone in command. Make them your bitches Joe. The last dominant centre half we had was Richard Dunne who was great at winning first headers. Not had anyone since and he made Nedum and Green look safer at the back. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jan 3, 2020 13:46:54 GMT
There were times when that big lad got into the box for them and completely dominated proceedings, smacked the bar at 1-0, and this was a game where we were supposed to be in charge. We still look very vulnerable with any incoming aerial stuff from dangerous areas. I think it would help the carnage tendency back there if we a) stick with full backs b) stick with a four and c) get whoever is in goal in command of that box. Everyone danger side of the penalty spot needs owning by the GK. I don't see that at the moment. I don't see anyone in command. Make them your bitches Joe. The last dominant centre half we had was Richard Dunne who was great at winning first headers. Not had anyone since and he made Nedum and Green look safer at the back. Correct. Knew how to organise a back line too, it was very largely down to him that day at Wembley. Works wonders for the GK and any other uncertain defenders. I was worried about the CBs before the season started but everyone seemed to think we were OK in that dept. (apart from Hits  ). |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 3, 2020 13:47:59 GMT
Should the captain not be organising them at set pieces too. Hall is mute not massively impressed
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Post by West Acton on Jan 3, 2020 13:48:43 GMT
Also not a fan of zonal marking which were using at corners. I hate it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 13:50:44 GMT
The last dominant centre half we had was Richard Dunne who was great at winning first headers. Not had anyone since and he made Nedum and Green look safer at the back. Correct. Knew how to organise a back line too, it was very largely down to him that day at Wembley. Works wonders for the GK and any other uncertain defenders. I was worried about the CBs before the season started but everyone seemed to think we were OK in that dept. (apart from Hits ). [b Motm at wembley Dunney and just a shame we did not get him earlier and for longer. Keeper is the issue as Smithies in piss poor side earned us 8 to 10 points a season so going with Ingram and Lumley last seasom amd now Kelly and Lumley was and is bad planning. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jan 3, 2020 14:11:41 GMT
so going with Ingram and Lumley last seasom amd now Kelly and Lumley was and is bad planning. Lumley, on average, kept a clean sheet every 3 games in the league last season (14 out of 42).
It's confidence along with having a decent defence in front of you and let's face it we are probably up there with Luton and Barnsley with the number of shots on target we face per game, let alone the amount of penalties he's had to face this season already (must be at least 5 goals from pens which have significantly reduced since Barbets injury).
Errors aside, it's a team effort at the back and we have been poor as a whole in that area all season due to more than just a young keeper.
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Post by esoxlucius on Jan 3, 2020 19:11:32 GMT
There were times when that big lad got into the box for them and completely dominated proceedings, smacked the bar at 1-0, and this was a game where we were supposed to be in charge. We still look very vulnerable with any incoming aerial stuff from dangerous areas. I think it would help the carnage tendency back there if we a) stick with full backs b) stick with a four and c) get whoever is in goal in command of that box. Everyone danger side of the penalty spot needs owning by the GK. I don't see that at the moment. I don't see anyone in command. Make them your bitches Joe. I understand your point hal but if Joe had tried to knock any of those brick shithouses like Flint , Bamba et al out of the way he would have come off second best every time IMO. BFG barely held his own against them and he is a much bigger unit than Joe. Even Seaman wasn't a great one for clearing out his six yard box on crosses, Parkes and Kelly are the only ones who spring to mind for me. Even Stejskal would only go for crosses close to goal. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Jan 3, 2020 19:15:56 GMT
so going with Ingram and Lumley last seasom amd now Kelly and Lumley was and is bad planning. Lumley, on average, kept a clean sheet every 3 games in the league last season (14 out of 42).
It's confidence along with having a decent defence in front of you and let's face it we are probably up there with Luton and Barnsley with the number of shots on target we face per game, let alone the amount of penalties he's had to face this season already (must be at least 5 goals from pens which have significantly reduced since Barbets injury).
Errors aside, it's a team effort at the back and we have been poor as a whole in that area all season due to more than just a young keeper.
There is also the element this season of having to learn to play as a sweeper, which he has shown has a steep learnig curve for him. If we can get through the rest of the season without plummeting and turning the fans more toxic than they are now then we may see a much improved Lumley after a Summer of working further on it. You can already see that his distribution is a lot more considered than it was earlier when he seemed like he had to pass it a few yards and not look for a longer out ball. I wouldn't give up on him just yet. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 3, 2020 20:58:20 GMT
At times it seems like Leinstner and Hall is too quiet on set pieces. Communication is the keyword.Maybe Barbet is the missing link in that respect?? Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 21:10:57 GMT
At times it seems like Leinstner and Hall is too quiet on set pieces. Communication is the keyword.Maybe Barbet is the missing link in that respect?? Just a thought. Barbet vocal? Not seen that so far during his time with us. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Jan 3, 2020 22:01:24 GMT
At times it seems like Leinstner and Hall is too quiet on set pieces. Communication is the keyword.Maybe Barbet is the missing link in that respect?? Just a thought. Barbet vocal? Not seen that so far during his time with us. From where I sit at the front of MU, Lumley is the most vocal among the defence. LOL |
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Post by Shania on Jan 3, 2020 22:50:46 GMT
At times it seems like Leinstner and Hall is too quiet on set pieces. Communication is the keyword.Maybe Barbet is the missing link in that respect?? Just a thought. Barbet vocal? Not seen that so far during his time with us. Ok! |
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