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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 28, 2019 21:40:31 GMT
Liam Kelly IMO. Kept us in the game 2 or 3 times with some excellent saves. Ridiculous to say with 3 going in but true. None were his fault.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 21:41:50 GMT
Only player that performed.
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Post by acricketer on Oct 28, 2019 21:54:58 GMT
Sadly..Kelly
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 28, 2019 22:15:15 GMT
I was gonna say the same. I've been critical of him, but he had a good game tonight.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 28, 2019 22:20:13 GMT
Only man that really turned up
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Post by Shania on Oct 28, 2019 22:29:26 GMT
I agree, and BOS was also having a decent match.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 28, 2019 22:35:18 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Oct 28, 2019 22:38:41 GMT
Ollie Watkins best player on the park BOS looked like he was injured although played well so would not expect to see him Saturday |
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Post by 72bus on Oct 28, 2019 23:38:23 GMT
Goalkeeper and hall for me
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 28, 2019 23:38:24 GMT
I thought Kelly done well tbh. Made some good stops.
Distribution is iffy.
Can’t blame him for any of the goals.
First Watkins totally unmarked 4 yards out. Unforgivable
Second a pen and third left totally unprotected and exposed.
Fellas got no chance with a defence like that in front of him.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Oct 29, 2019 7:50:03 GMT
Is he vocal enough, can he organize his defense? Made 3-4 great saves but doesn't fill me with confidence yet. Our best player yesterday though.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Oct 29, 2019 12:53:29 GMT
Had a good game to be fair. Needs to work on his distribution when going long, which in turn might make us stop with this suicidal pissing about at the back.
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Post by hubble on Oct 29, 2019 13:02:00 GMT
Like I said in the other thread, I think Lumley would've stopped that first goal. Personally I'd like to see him back in goal, he has more presence than Kelly. Having an absolutely shite defence in front of you doesn't help of course....
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Post by Brian Wilson on Oct 29, 2019 13:22:11 GMT
Like I said in the other thread, I think Lumley would've stopped that first goal. Personally I'd like to see him back in goal, he has more presence than Kelly. Having an absolutely shite defence in front of you doesn't help of course.... Thought this too though Kelly was decent overall. Everyone was very busy blaming Ryan Manning and ignoring the BFG and Kellys part on the match thread though so kept quiet. If Manning is dropped then Kelly better watch out. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 29, 2019 13:27:41 GMT
I think Lumley would've stopped that first goal. Would he have made the same three excellent saves Kelly made though which kept us in the game? Debatable! |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 29, 2019 15:22:30 GMT
Why do people get offended when manning is criticised for his defending which is pish
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Post by Brian Wilson on Oct 29, 2019 16:05:54 GMT
Why do people get offended when manning is criticised for his defending which is pish I actually agree with you on most things Westy but with Manning this year and Freeman last year, you do seem to have it in for some players more than others. Maybe you don't like left footers?  .
Joking aside, it does annoy me when it seems players are getting jumped on before others who are equally or more at fault. Maybe it's just my perception but sheep mentality was definitely kicking in last night. He was even getting blamed for things he had nothing to do with. |
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Post by Corbray on Oct 29, 2019 16:30:26 GMT
Like I said in the other thread, I think Lumley would've stopped that first goal. Personally I'd like to see him back in goal, he has more presence than Kelly. Having an absolutely shite defence in front of you doesn't help of course.... we played some of our best football with lumley in the side and his distribution and organization is better than kelly imo. kelly did play well last night but doesn't fill me with confidence |
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Post by Shania on Oct 29, 2019 16:46:19 GMT
Why do people get offended when manning is criticised for his defending which is pish I actually agree with you on most things Westy but with Manning this year and Freeman last year, you do seem to have it in for some players more than others. Maybe you don't like left footers? .
Joking aside, it does annoy me when it seems players are getting jumped on before others who are equally or more at fault. Maybe it's just my perception but sheep mentality was definitely kicking in last night. He was even getting blamed for things he had nothing to do with. BFG and Barbet have also get their fair share of critisism. And even Kane if my memory serves me right. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 29, 2019 16:52:31 GMT
BFG and Barbet have also get their fair share of critisism. And even Kane if my memory serves me right. The entire defence has, basically. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 29, 2019 16:55:44 GMT
BFG and Barbet have also get their fair share of critisism. And even Kane if my memory serves me right. The entire defence has, basically. Yes, excatly. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 29, 2019 20:24:58 GMT
Why do people get offended when manning is criticised for his defending which is pish I actually agree with you on most things Westy but with Manning this year and Freeman last year, you do seem to have it in for some players more than others. Maybe you don't like left footers? .
Joking aside, it does annoy me when it seems players are getting jumped on before others who are equally or more at fault. Maybe it's just my perception but sheep mentality was definitely kicking in last night. He was even getting blamed for things he had nothing to do with. I hand on heart don’t have it in for players (I did for Lynch and Green) but I suppose I just call what I see and look at the whole package and view things without the blinkers. Freeman as an example, for as good as he was, was actually holding us back. People said I was out of order but think way season has gone so far, to an extent, backs up my view. Same with Manning it might seem like I’m having dig at him but I’m genuinely looking at bigger picture and wanting what is best, as I see it. I would say Manning has turned into better player then I anticipated but he’s got strengths but also weaknesses. Hes clearly very able going forwards and he’s been superb in that aspect of his game,but as good as he is going forwards he is as bad defending. There is lots of double standards amongst fan base and it bugs me as the sticks Furlong and Bidwell got hit with were they were positionally awful but Manning is even worse then them but majority seem happy to turn a blind eye, until recently no one really other then me has raised it. Why were they slated but the Manning lauded??? Suppose in criticising him I’m sticking head up to be shot at but I’m Not making anything up I’m only saying what is going on before my eyes. We get hurt down the left time and time again because he can’t play the role he’s being asked to play defensively. It’s not for me to convince people, as everyone has their own views and opinions and rightly so. Next home game all I would say is watch how exposed he leaves us when our attacks break down, watch how long it takes him to get back in position and how much space he gives his man. Then tell me watching him closely if I’m wrong. Think he would now be excellent option going forwards, let the lad focus on what he’s actually good at. He’s been called up Ireland squad so he’s clearly caught the eye. Not sure if that explains my position oh muddys water but it’s genuine explanation of what I’m seeing |
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Post by 72bus on Oct 29, 2019 20:34:31 GMT
When Manning goes fwd and can't get back ,his team mates as footballers need to tuck in and cover for him. He lacks pace plain to see but tries to get us fwd . Bidwell was awful here
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Post by Brian Wilson on Oct 30, 2019 9:05:38 GMT
I actually agree with you on most things Westy but with Manning this year and Freeman last year, you do seem to have it in for some players more than others. Maybe you don't like left footers? .
Joking aside, it does annoy me when it seems players are getting jumped on before others who are equally or more at fault. Maybe it's just my perception but sheep mentality was definitely kicking in last night. He was even getting blamed for things he had nothing to do with. I hand on heart don’t have it in for players (I did for Lynch and Green) but I suppose I just call what I see and look at the whole package and view things without the blinkers. Freeman as an example, for as good as he was, was actually holding us back. People said I was out of order but think way season has gone so far, to an extent, backs up my view. Same with Manning it might seem like I’m having dig at him but I’m genuinely looking at bigger picture and wanting what is best, as I see it. I would say Manning has turned into better player then I anticipated but he’s got strengths but also weaknesses. Hes clearly very able going forwards and he’s been superb in that aspect of his game,but as good as he is going forwards he is as bad defending. There is lots of double standards amongst fan base and it bugs me as the sticks Furlong and Bidwell got hit with were they were positionally awful but Manning is even worse then them but majority seem happy to turn a blind eye, until recently no one really other then me has raised it. Why were they slated but the Manning lauded??? Suppose in criticising him I’m sticking head up to be shot at but I’m Not making anything up I’m only saying what is going on before my eyes. We get hurt down the left time and time again because he can’t play the role he’s being asked to play defensively. It’s not for me to convince people, as everyone has their own views and opinions and rightly so. Next home game all I would say is watch how exposed he leaves us when our attacks break down, watch how long it takes him to get back in position and how much space he gives his man. Then tell me watching him closely if I’m wrong. Think he would now be excellent option going forwards, let the lad focus on what he’s actually good at. He’s been called up Ireland squad so he’s clearly caught the eye. Not sure if that explains my position oh muddys water but it’s genuine explanation of what I’m seeing Westy, your first 2 posts after the goal were
"Manning leaves man wide open again. Seriously had enough of him at left back time to drop him"
"its not even debatable now he’s liability"
You don't even mention the other players (BFG and Kelly) and it's like that a lot this season. That's just how it looks to me but only my opinion.
I agree that Mannings positional play is poor. No arguments there. Might be time to look at Wallace and play Manning further forward but I'm not convinced on that option either.
I rated Furlong and Bidwell though asking Bids to constantly support Freeman on the left as a creative player was asking too much of him IMO.
I thought Freeman was easily our best player over the last few years but there is an argument that him leaving has helped Eze.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 30, 2019 9:25:16 GMT
So I was always taught as a lad when I learned the game to cut the ball out at source and that has always stuck with me. I watch Manning and he does not do that frequently enough hence the criticism
If he does his job, then ball does not go in box, but time again he allows the cross in an we concede. So the expressions above are frustration at seeing same player, making same mistake week after week resulting in goals
Fair comment on others making mistakes after balls gone in there culpable too. But he was first line of defence, if he prevents cross and they score then finger is pointed elsewhere as he’s done his job.
If a player makes constant errors it tends to grate on me hence why I could not stomach Lynch and Green, they were liabilities. Manning defensively is now in that category too
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 30, 2019 12:08:05 GMT
I like disagreeing with Westy😁but it's hard to about Manning. He's come on massively since Holloway had him as one of his hokey-cokey players, but the fact he is always out of position and is also very slow to recover puts him constantly at a disadvantage as a defender. He drifts off to the middle and anyone coming up the wing has so much time. Others are posting play Wallace and push Manning up. Has to be worth a try. Get crosses in for Hugill.
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 30, 2019 13:01:37 GMT
Yep we should definitely start tinkering as this side will only get us relegated.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 30, 2019 13:19:51 GMT
Yep we should definitely start tinkering as this side will only get us relegated. Lowest form of wit. If you're happy with our defence so far you're mental. No one said anything about being unhappy about our position so far this season, we've 100% gone far beyond what anyone expected. But many of us would like to keep it that way, and our leaky defence is inevitably going to cost us points when the goals dry up. That's what we're afraid of, a slide down the table. It seems you're alright with that though. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 30, 2019 13:32:04 GMT
Yep we should definitely start tinkering as this side will only get us relegated. Lowest form of wit. If you're happy with our defence so far you're mental. No one said anything about being unhappy about our position so far this season, we've 100% gone far beyond what anyone expected. But many of us would like to keep it that way, and our leaky defence is inevitably going to cost us points when the goals dry up. That's what we're afraid of, a slide down the table. It seems you're alright with that though. No, what I am more than happy with is the way we play and how far up the table it has got us. We'll probably get well beaten by a good Leeds side at the weekend but I'll still be there the game after, and the game after that. There is no reason why carrying on the way we have been won't result in the same outcome and there is no reason why the goals should dry up with the players we have. As I said in another thread, no-one goes to football to drool at the defence. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Oct 30, 2019 18:04:41 GMT
No one said anything about being unhappy about our position so far this season, we've 100% gone far beyond what anyone expected. But many of us would like to keep it that way, and our leaky defence is inevitably going to cost us points when the goals dry up. Spot on. Can't only rely on "scoring more than you" to rack up the points we need for safety (!) |
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