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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 22, 2019 22:27:33 GMT
And just imagine what carnage Mitrovic would have caused with this system...
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 22, 2019 22:51:00 GMT
Two goals. Not created by a better side, both donated by us.
I watched it in a boozer with QPR season ticket holder, WHU mate, and some Fulham. Everyone agreed.
Second half even going forward we were poor, but that's what throwing away goals does to you. Confidence shot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 22:55:04 GMT
Two goals. Not created by a better side, both donated by us. I watched it in a boozer with QPR season ticket holder, WHU mate, and some Fulham. Everyone agreed. Second half even going forward we were poor, but that's what throwing away goals does to you. Confidence shot. That is the sad part they have not even had to work for the two goals. |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 22, 2019 22:58:42 GMT
Why should a local derby mean any more than beating Barnsley? If you don't understand that you don't get football. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 22, 2019 23:18:04 GMT
Like the look of Amos and Ball in midfield. Wallace looks decent and Kane is back in form. Eze still the man to create something and 2 strikers look dangerous. Lots of positives but let down by another blunder. Limited options but Lumley needs to get dropped, too costly
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Post by 72bus on Nov 22, 2019 23:20:26 GMT
Started out well high press , shd have gone 2 up , gave them 2 goals ... We ain't good enough to play 5 a side at the back as oppo soon work out it goes back to Lumley and he'll fk up at least once and gift a goal ... It's painful to watch and we are getting predictable , sitting to deep ,slow to get out and too lightweight in midfield
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Post by Shania on Nov 22, 2019 23:29:09 GMT
I dont think I have witnessed such poor defensive play ever...and that`s saying something. I`m shocked.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 23:34:55 GMT
I dont think I have witnessed such poor defensive play ever...and that`s saying something. I`m shocked. I have to agree Shania never seen a team defend as bad on a consistent basis. Not 1 single game this season have we defended well. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Nov 22, 2019 23:59:13 GMT
Just listened to the manager's interview. Jesus......
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 23, 2019 0:27:04 GMT
Awful, pointless substitutions. Again. We were all over the place towards the end.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Nov 23, 2019 1:09:14 GMT
Predictably gifting 2 goals a game is getting fucking boring.
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Post by hubble on Nov 23, 2019 1:25:34 GMT
Was at the game, what the fuck happened, we fell apart second half and those subs, especially Scowen for Wells made no sense. Eze was off his game, made several poor decisions, fluffed his chances in front of goal. Hall's 'defending' was very odd, not sure what's up with him, but he wasn't at the races. We had no luck, but thrn you make your own luck.
Only real positive was how good Luke Amos was. Shame he's not ours.
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Post by Greg1882 on Nov 23, 2019 1:47:57 GMT
Jesus wept. Wasn’t there tonight as I had a work do to attend but fuck warbs he obviously clueless. What an embarrassing result for a side assembled on a shoe string against a club that can afford to pay mitrovic 40k a week not to play football. Some of out “support”bed to give their heads a wobble. We are nautical miles
Away from the other west London clubs as we stand because of years of mismanagement. Years and years of neglect. We are on the turn and the shoots of recovery are ever present. Fulham are a joke of. Club that pull punters off the Hammersmith Broadway, Brentford have always been Micky mouse but have a model that works for them, tome will tell but nature has a funny way of restoring the balance. Ursssssss
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Post by Vespa on Nov 23, 2019 5:22:39 GMT
Was at the game, what the fuck happened, we fell apart second half and those subs, especially Scowen for Wells made no sense. Eze was off his game, made several poor decisions, fluffed his chances in front of goal. Hall's 'defending' was very odd, not sure what's up with him, but he wasn't at the races. We had no luck, but thrn you make your own luck. Only real positive was how good Luke Amos was. Shame he's not ours. I wouldn`t have taken Wells off ,agreed . Amos did do well too , but i thougt Chair did well when he came on . Everything creative was still coming through Eze ,and with that amount on him ,hes bound to not get evrything right ,i still thought he did ok . There are lots of poitives to take , its just the defence and goalkeeper . We need a new keeper ,Lumley isn`t learning ,and Warburton needs to sort out the defence . Straight back 4 ? |
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Post by Vespa on Nov 23, 2019 5:24:07 GMT
Jesus wept. Wasn’t there tonight as I had a work do to attend but fuck warbs he obviously clueless. What an embarrassing result for a side assembled on a shoe string against a club that can afford to pay mitrovic 40k a week not to play football. Some of out “support”bed to give their heads a wobble. We are nautical miles Away from the other west London clubs as we stand because of years of mismanagement. Years and years of neglect. We are on the turn and the shoots of recovery are ever present. Fulham are a joke of. Club that pull punters off the Hammersmith Broadway, Brentford have always been Micky mouse but have a model that works for them, tome will tell but nature has a funny way of restoring the balance. Ursssssss I agree Gregg ,but the defending is woefull ,and you have to let people let off steam , hate losing to those cunts . |
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Post by Corbray on Nov 23, 2019 6:32:51 GMT
Jesus wept. Wasn’t there tonight as I had a work do to attend but fuck warbs he obviously clueless. What an embarrassing result for a side assembled on a shoe string against a club that can afford to pay mitrovic 40k a week not to play football. Some of out “support”bed to give their heads a wobble. We are nautical miles Away from the other west London clubs as we stand because of years of mismanagement. Years and years of neglect. We are on the turn and the shoots of recovery are ever present. Fulham are a joke of. Club that pull punters off the Hammersmith Broadway, Brentford have always been Micky mouse but have a model that works for them, tome will tell but nature has a funny way of restoring the balance. Ursssssss it wasn't a great game but i don't think anyone is actually calling for warbs head but questions still need to be asked as we're not seeing an improvement, if anything we've gone backwards over the past 8 or so games . we've just had 2 weeks to work on stuff but nothing has improved and it's not just the defence. one thing i see every game is how inept our throw ins are, no one wants to receive the ball and last night was no different. the only players who actually tried to actively make themselves avaliable or draw players out for our throws was eze and scowen. everyone else just tries their damndest to get look as inconspicuous as possible, i think i even saw a few of them nonchalantly performing risk assessment checks on the riverside stand rather than be available for a throw in! i can't see us signing a new keeper and don't think we should either, regardless of how lumley and kelly have both been between the sticks they still have that something about them where you believe that they will be solid keepers one day. we desparately need a new CB or even 2 as none of our CB's have stood out this season, leistner is good at defending longballs but on the ball he makes so many mistakes. last night he mispassed simple balls twice within 10 seconds. the mistakes every game are completely unacceptable too, how many have we made that have lead to a goal this season? far too many, we're a championship side and shouldn't be making those mistakes as frequently as we are as it's costing us. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 7:21:44 GMT
You cannot defend the manager or defence when we have not had one clean sheet all season and gift at least one goal every single game we play and game on game show no sign of any improvement.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 23, 2019 8:05:26 GMT
I do remember Forest fans and some Rangers fans warning us about warbs. Saying he not the messiah etc. Perhaps they seen a bit more for longer than us.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 23, 2019 8:31:23 GMT
We don't have national service in this island. If Lumley got called up half his squad be dead from friendly fire in a month standing 30 ft behind him on shooting range.
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 23, 2019 9:55:08 GMT
But he is shit with the ball at his feet mate. That ain't changing any time soon. It's being made more of an issue by the fact that he's being asked to play with the ball at his feet and play out from the back. Let him pick the thing up and throw it out if he's more comfortable playing that way! put foot through it easy. Bad choice it’s his fault no one else’s. Making excuses for him compounds the problem. Not good enough So you honestly don't think that the managers preference for his keepers to knock the ball about has affected Lumley's form and decision making? Its clear as day to me. The manager wants a keeper that plays the ball to feet. Lumley is trying to accommodate that, but clearly isn't up to it. I don't disagree that sometimes he just needs to put his boot through it. The same goes for our defence sometimes. But that is not the instructions they are getting from the manager. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 23, 2019 10:07:46 GMT
Warbs was crystal clear at the recent fans forum that we will persevere with playing out from the back and mistakes were inevitable as the players learn to play that way.
He did also say that ultimately, players who weren’t improving and showing signs of learning from those mistakes would be dropped, otherwise his own head would understandably roll due to poor results.
Based on that I think the writing is on the wall for Lumley, whether it be in January or end of season.
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 23, 2019 10:23:21 GMT
Warbs was crystal clear at the recent fans forum that we will persevere with playing out from the back and mistakes were inevitable as the players learn to play that way. He did also say that ultimately, players who weren’t improving and showing signs of learning from those mistakes would be dropped, otherwise his own head would understandably roll due to poor results. Based on that I think the writing is on the wall for Lumley, whether it be in January or end of season. The problem is virtually every one of our defenders has had a horror show at some point or another this season. Can't drop a player if the one waiting in the wings has been just as bad. Defeats the point. I think we need to find a few quid in January to sign a couple of defenders. We also need to have a look at our goalkeeping options. Whilst we have 4 first team keepers (including Deng who's out on loan), are any of them genuinely good enough? Maybe we can find a young keeper on loan that better suits Warburton's ethos. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 23, 2019 10:40:11 GMT
Warbs was crystal clear at the recent fans forum that we will persevere with playing out from the back and mistakes were inevitable as the players learn to play that way. He did also say that ultimately, players who weren’t improving and showing signs of learning from those mistakes would be dropped, otherwise his own head would understandably roll due to poor results. Based on that I think the writing is on the wall for Lumley, whether it be in January or end of season. The problem is virtually every one of our defenders has had a horror show at some point or another this season. Can't drop a player if the one waiting in the wings has been just as bad. Defeats the point. I think we need to find a few quid in January to sign a couple of defenders. We also need to have a look at our goalkeeping options. Whilst we have 4 first team keepers (including Deng who's out on loan), are any of them genuinely good enough? Maybe we can find a young keeper on loan that better suits Warburton's ethos. To be honest I don’t keep track of our loan players. There’s been plenty of mistakes, that’s for sure. I suppose if Les/Warbs et al are all in agreement about how we try and play out from the back, you do have to wonder what the plan is for the players who can’t cut it and whether we actually have the option of replacing them. |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 23, 2019 10:44:51 GMT
I think there will be times Tarbs when playing out will lead mistakes were in agreement there but yesterday’s goal, for me was not about playing out (I’ve not seen Replay yet So this is from memory influenced by beer) he just never cleared the ball properly to get rid of it
I never thought he was playing it to someone but happy to be told otherwise from people who have seen replays
The volume of cock ups from him are mounting up and I’ve gone from being a fan of him to now questioning if he’s actually all that. Think would be reasonable number 2 to step in for short periods but way to costly to be number 1 and stand between sticks for 30+ games
I think I’m of opinion now if we got decent offer I would take it move him on and get someone in.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 23, 2019 10:48:30 GMT
yesterday’s goal, for me was not about playing out (I’ve not seen Replay yet So this is from memory influenced by beer) he just never cleared the ball properly to get rid of it I never thought he was playing it to someone but happy to be told otherwise from people who have seen replays You're perfectly correct - it was a botched hoof, certainly not a pass. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Nov 23, 2019 10:52:31 GMT
At least I got to meet up with Hud again.
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 23, 2019 10:53:08 GMT
We all know about the back line, we also know that opposing AMFs off the ball don't get picked up, there was a classic example of this last night, for me even more worrying than the goals. Two white shirts jogging into an ocean of space just outside the box wide on our right, their ball carrier missed them both (along with our entire mf and defence). Bloke I was with has a coaching badge and works with yout. He hadn't seen us this term and couldn't believe it. The basics yet again. The fact the side cost a packet of crisps isn't the problem here, the problem is the poor, poor coaching.
I also felt heads dropped and we looked a bit clueless second half going forward. That's the character bit, the belief bit, and its down to the gaffer to get that instilled.
Good luck to MW but like I said pre match the honeymoon is well and truly over.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 23, 2019 10:55:53 GMT
I also felt heads dropped and we looked a bit clueless second half going forward. That's the character bit, the belief bit You weren't imagining that. It was noticeably evident. |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 23, 2019 11:05:00 GMT
Was not managers best day at the office and to make the two subs he did after they scored was odd
Amos was running midfield, defo needs to start from now on, but he got hooked for Scowen and you need a goal and you take your top scorer off.
We miss Barbet he can’t return quick enough and we have an absolute unit up from in Hughill but we seem unwilling to use him. First half he was screaming continuously hit his chest with ball but Lumley always went wide.
Would love to see us use his size let him get it down and play the ball about in opposition half. We’re not utilising him effectively
As performances go never thought yesterday was too bad. Game of two halves. If the one that hits post goes in or Wells slots his one on one we win that game.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 23, 2019 11:09:10 GMT
Good point about character Hal we said that in stands.
Needed someone big to say I will have the ball leave it to me dare I say it in Barton mould. But instead they all looked at each other. Only person really I saw demanding ball was Hughill he’s got character but out the game up top
Actually think that’s what side lacks couple of people with big shoulders in defence and midfield to calm it down draw fouls and spoil game when we’re in rut
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