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Post by spongeparr on Nov 25, 2019 10:14:55 GMT
Totally agree that 2 goals a game is un sustainable but surely, surely they are working non stop on this in training. They just have to be.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 25, 2019 10:43:34 GMT
We’re two attacking too. When we go forward both Manning and Kane go, then when the Ball is turned over we’re low in numbers, scrambling and out of position. Great as it creates loads of opportunities for us but counter argument is it leaves us vulnerable
For me this is why we’re struggling defensively as we’re all over the shop. While we keep over committing we will continue conceding.
Simple first change would be tell Wing backs not to both go same time as if Manning has ball his side then Kane sits then we become a four
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Post by spongeparr on Nov 25, 2019 10:53:19 GMT
We’re two attacking too. When we go forward both Manning and Kane go, then when the Ball is turned over we’re low in numbers, scrambling and out of position. Great as it creates loads of opportunities for us but counter argument is it leaves us vulnerable For me this is why we’re struggling defensively as we’re all over the shop. While we keep over committing we will continue conceding. Simple first change would be tell Wing backs not to both go same time as if Manning has ball his side then Kane sits then we become a four Thats the problem with playing backs. They have to go or we have no width. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Nov 25, 2019 11:49:42 GMT
For me this is why we’re struggling defensively as we’re all over the shop. We could do with a decent central midfield 2 to cover when we lose the ball. Been a problem area for a long time IMO. |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 25, 2019 14:43:00 GMT
I have just watched the opening 45 of Sheff. Utd. vs Man Utd and even they are playing it out from the back a great deal more than we ever saw from them when they were in the Championship. They still lump it forward as before but nowhere near as much as they used to. The club need to keep on doing what they are doing even if some fans don't like it. You only get better by practice, not by chopping and changing to appease disgruntled fans. Blades are an interesting point of comparison precisely because they pride themselves on doing the one thing we don't: cover. They cover out of position players almost automatically, its a great system for sides who know their own vulnerabilities and might get caught on the counter. They have a limited squad relative to the division they are in (like us) but they're properly organised. We can look aroud for crumbs of comfort real or imagined wherever we like, but the truth is very simple. There is a lack of basic competence at the club when it comes to coaching. This is not a formation or style thing, we're talking basics here. |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 25, 2019 17:56:31 GMT
Dieng averaging 7.04 this season Lumley is 5.4
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Post by esoxlucius on Nov 25, 2019 20:01:10 GMT
Dieng averaging 7.04 this season Lumley is 5.4 What did Lumley average at that level as a matter of interest? |
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Post by Shania on Nov 25, 2019 20:42:45 GMT
I have just watched the opening 45 of Sheff. Utd. vs Man Utd and even they are playing it out from the back a great deal more than we ever saw from them when they were in the Championship. They still lump it forward as before but nowhere near as much as they used to. The club need to keep on doing what they are doing even if some fans don't like it. You only get better by practice, not by chopping and changing to appease disgruntled fans. Blades are an interesting point of comparison precisely because they pride themselves on doing the one thing we don't: cover. They cover out of position players almost automatically, its a great system for sides who know their own vulnerabilities and might get caught on the counter. They have a limited squad relative to the division they are in (like us) but they're properly organised. We can look aroud for crumbs of comfort real or imagined wherever we like, but the truth is very simple. There is a lack of basic competence at the club when it comes to coaching. This is not a formation or style thing, we're talking basics here. I agree, and while speaking about covering; I can`t understand why Pugh isn`t used more often. IMO, it`s time to introduce BOS again aswell. He can also cover a lot of ground. Cameron used to be good at organising, but I`m not sure why he seems a bit out of form... |
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 26, 2019 9:05:17 GMT
I agree, and while speaking about covering; I can`t understand why Pugh isn`t used more often. IMO, it`s time to introduce BOS again aswell. He can also cover a lot of ground. Cameron used to be good at organising, but I`m not sure why he seems a bit out of form...I've said it before, and I'll say it again, but Cameron only stood out last year because there were so many players who had poor seasons and his was not among the worse. He isn't, however, that good and that's being exposed this season. Would be happy to get rid of him as soon as possible. He's only on a 1 year deal (but apparently quite and expensive one). I'd hope we have a better plan for next season than the likes of Cameron and Rangel. A bit of experience is good, but you need younger legs in the key position than those 2 with games coming thick and fast in the Championship! |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 26, 2019 9:24:24 GMT
Warburton likes players who can play more than one position so the attraction is Cameron can play MF or CB. He was awesome first game at Stoke. Pity his form has dipped so much. Dare I go back to my point that confidence has dropped because we are not comfortable with the system?
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 26, 2019 10:55:38 GMT
Dare I go back to my point that confidence has dropped because we are not comfortable with the system? When you concede as many goals per game as us it's inevitable that confidence will take a hit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 16:45:48 GMT
Dare I go back to my point that confidence has dropped because we are not comfortable with the system? When you concede as many goals per game as us it's inevitable that confidence will take a hit. So how does this manager stop the rot? Not shown any sign so far |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Nov 26, 2019 18:41:41 GMT
Dare I go back to my point that confidence has dropped because we are not comfortable with the system? I think we were confident playing the system up until we struggled with Reading and then got schooled by Brentford. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 18:51:40 GMT
So how does this manager stop the rot? Not shown any sign so far We were warned that he had no plan B... The thing is that at some point in a few months time if we haven't improved our form he will be left with a choice to carry on playing this ridiculous system and take us down or change it and give us a chance. I'm not being overly pessimistic but we are in incredibly poor form. Sense of reality in my book. Easy on the eye is all good and well as long as you are tight at the back. We were warned about no plab B but he needs one as if this kind of charitable defending continues then he will have no choice but to work on one. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 26, 2019 20:43:43 GMT
Dare I go back to my point that confidence has dropped because we are not comfortable with the system? I think we were confident playing the system up until we struggled with Reading and then got schooled by Brentford. Yep, as I said in an earlier post we've been sussed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 20:55:36 GMT
Then he will do well to last out the season and we better hope we outscore teams or a relegation battle backons. |
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Post by Shania on Nov 27, 2019 16:49:21 GMT
They Board have to support him with more than one or two players in the January Window, i think. BUT, make no mistake about, if we can get a result tonight if will mean a lot with to the current squad of players...That`s a start..
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