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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 29, 2023 10:49:13 GMT
But it isnt mutually exclusive is it? It isn't "we employ Warnock or we go down". There's 32 games left. Surely we can employ somebody that won't need replacing when he retires in a year, somebody more modern & progressive? Would be a shit appointment IMHO (albeit would welcome him back as he is a hero, admittedly). His plus point is that he’s got teams out of the shit before and pressure won’t get to him if there’s a wobble on the way. Westy’s idea is a good one - sort us out then move upstairs for a while. I'm totally for Neil and think it'll be brilliant. On the law of averages, however, one day he'll fail to keep someone up...... And with these bunchacunts he'll have to work with, it could be us 😐
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Post by MattyRangers on Oct 29, 2023 10:50:45 GMT
Yep. They do say never go back....
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Post by The General on Oct 29, 2023 10:51:18 GMT
I love Warnock as much as any Rangers fan, and if it's him I will welcome him.... But it feels very underwhelming & a real sign of how far we have fallen if we go back to a 74 year old Neil Warnock. Surely we can do better, no?! I get this Matty totally But we need to be grateful that the owners Have actually made a move at all Yes Warnock is not a long term fix Yes we will need a new manager He doesn’t want the job long term either Just wants to help us atm And we need major help The future of the whole club is at stake Its not a long term fix buddy I’m just glad that I now want to go again My tea towel on my head is being installed right now
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Post by The General on Oct 29, 2023 10:53:16 GMT
We need to all get behind Warnock
He is not a long term fix
But he is the most successful manager
We’ve had for over 30 years
He needs some respect for that
Prob only a year I would think re newable
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Post by Shania on Oct 29, 2023 10:53:58 GMT
Lamouchi has been spoken to. He impressed me when he was at Cardiff last season.
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Post by The General on Oct 29, 2023 10:57:09 GMT
Wait for multiple names to come in Over next two days then Appoint Warnock
So Qpr just appoint him today
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 29, 2023 11:17:18 GMT
His plus point is that he’s got teams out of the shit before and pressure won’t get to him if there’s a wobble on the way. Westy’s idea is a good one - sort us out then move upstairs for a while. I'm totally for Neil and think it'll be brilliant. On the law of averages, however, one day he'll fail to keep someone up...... And with these bunchacunts he'll have to work with, it could be us 😐 If he is appointed, and we remain shit, which, with these bunchacunts players, is possible, let all fans pledge to never give Neil stick, only constructive, supportive criticism. And unstinting support. Even if we go down. Pledge not even to boo. Back him (not the players...) all the way. Naturally, given your long standing opinion of Neil, this doesn't apply to you, Hits. You get a pass 🤣🤣👍🏻
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Post by hubble on Oct 29, 2023 11:21:10 GMT
I love Warnock as much as any Rangers fan, and if it's him I will welcome him.... But it feels very underwhelming & a real sign of how far we have fallen if we go back to a 74 year old Neil Warnock. Surely we can do better, no?! I imagine many Palace fans felt the same, Matty, when they sacked Vieira last season and replaced him with Hodgson. But that turned out rather well for Palace. Not only did the 75 year old Hodgson turn their season around, he continued the development of younger players, and continued to bring the best out of Eze. So don't discount someone on the basis of their age! Or having had a previous tenure.
The more I think about it, the more Warnock makes sense. The no. 1 priority this season is survival in this league. If/when that is achieved, then I think it's the time to appoint someone for the longer term. This will also give the board (and even a new DoF, if they ever get that sorted) a good amount of time to identify Colin's replacement. Also we've handed out 3 year management deals like confetti, it's time for a more pragmatic approach for this season. If we stay up, we will have the extra Sky money coming in, plus whatever Reuben can conjure, now he's finally worked out there are ways around FFP.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 29, 2023 11:35:29 GMT
I love Warnock as much as any Rangers fan, and if it's him I will welcome him.... But it feels very underwhelming & a real sign of how far we have fallen if we go back to a 74 year old Neil Warnock. Surely we can do better, no?!
The more I think about it, the more Warnock makes sense. The no. 1 priority this season is survival in this league.
This with bells on and he's the best fire fighter out there for situations like this and for lifting players who are down or not performing.
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Post by The General on Oct 29, 2023 12:03:05 GMT
He will kick the shit out of those lazy players
Exactly what they need tbh
All I really want is to be a top 10 champ club
That plays good football that is achievable
With the right manager and set up imho
Colback Field Chair will love this appointment
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Post by West Acton on Oct 29, 2023 12:11:26 GMT
I get the comments on him not being long term but if we’re honest aside from warburton we don’t do medium/long term.
I’m sure if he wanted he could do two seasons if he did he would be able stable ship and leave us better position and still be a longer server.
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Post by boboqpr on Oct 29, 2023 12:17:36 GMT
Warnock will keep us up. He might be able to get something out of the under performing players that we have.
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 29, 2023 12:28:23 GMT
Don't think Warnock is the right choice, but I'd still be supportive (and quite excited) at the prospect of having him back.
The one 'big' thing I'd hope he could sort out is Willock, getting him motivated and playing again in the same way he did with Adel.
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Post by Greg1882 on Oct 29, 2023 12:33:52 GMT
No 2 Clint fucking hill We are a band of brothers To hand the reigns too as he moves into a dof role when he knocks it on the head…..or Derry.
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Post by The General on Oct 29, 2023 14:48:49 GMT
Don't think Warnock is the right choice, but I'd still be supportive (and quite excited) at the prospect of having him back. The one 'big' thing I'd hope he could sort out is Willock, getting him motivated and playing again in the same way he did with Adel. Did you think Ainsworth was the right choice ? What were you views on his appointment I was against it but a lot on here we’re for it
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Post by The General on Oct 29, 2023 14:49:42 GMT
Not a dig at all just interested as many fans
Have totally different views on wot is right
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Post by The General on Oct 29, 2023 14:51:10 GMT
The most important thing now is stability
To remain a championship club
Good job this has happened now tbh
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Post by Shania on Oct 29, 2023 15:03:34 GMT
It will be interesting to see what he can bring out of the fringe players like Dixon Bonner, Kolli, Duke McKenna etc.
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 29, 2023 16:33:16 GMT
Love col but its the wrong appointment.
For so many reasons. Sooner or later the club has to look at the future rather than the past.
If we were in this position at Easter then yeah, he'd be a decent call on an interim thing.
But this presents an opportunity for a someone to start building something. Also NW has a thing for Dykes, has outed himself on that one a few times.
He might have been spinning it for some reason but it still worries me.
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 29, 2023 16:34:53 GMT
Don't think Warnock is the right choice, but I'd still be supportive (and quite excited) at the prospect of having him back. The one 'big' thing I'd hope he could sort out is Willock, getting him motivated and playing again in the same way he did with Adel. Did you think Ainsworth was the right choice ?
What were you views on his appointment
I was against it but a lot on here we’re for it No, didn't think Ainsworth was the right choice, really feared for him and his QPR reputation. Once he was here I really hoped his positivity would see us improve, but we only survived because of reading's points deduction last season, not because of Ainsworth's managerial skills. The haka embarrassment says it all about his managerial style - shout, jump up and down and pray it works. It didn't.
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Post by Bill on Oct 29, 2023 18:37:27 GMT
Would hope any conversation about him being temp charge if that is the case also involves him considering being long term DOF. Surely would suit him down to ground still in the game and massively involved in role which might give him more family time Wouldnt mind seeing Furlong as his No. 2 and start building from within. If he doesn’t shape up no change in situation, still looking for someone next summer. Nothing to lose Posted this about 6 games ago Warnock in as mgr and then Dof. Knows this level inside out.
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 29, 2023 19:17:13 GMT
It will be interesting to see what he can bring out of the fringe players like Dixon Bonner, Kolli, Duke McKenna etc. I would not have them anywhere near starting should he take over. We need pkayers for the here and now and none of those mentioned look ready.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 29, 2023 19:24:56 GMT
I get the comments on him not being long term but if we’re honest aside from warburton we don’t do medium/long term. I’m sure if he wanted he could do two seasons if he did he would be able stable ship and leave us better position and still be a longer server. Agree with that. Where I disagree with you is seeing him as a potential DoF. A DoF needs to be all over data science, has to think for the long term and has to be absolutely trustworthy with money. Not sure Neil is any of those things. If you look at those videos of him in the dressing room, ranting away, getting a reaction, inspiring a team, that's what he's brilliant at. I know you say we don't do long term btw and you are right, sadly - but at some point if we ever want to be successful, we have to. Think we have agreed previously that it was a mistake to sack Warburton, if you are serious and not just paying lip service to re-building the club from the bottom up then you need to stick with it even when results are crap and the message boards are screaming for blood. If they had given Warbs the director of football role, sacked Les, the PE teacher and all his staff and promoted Eustace either immediately or a year down the line that prob would have been the way to go but no one listened to the likes of us!
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 29, 2023 19:32:39 GMT
I get the comments on him not being long term but if we’re honest aside from warburton we don’t do medium/long term. I’m sure if he wanted he could do two seasons if he did he would be able stable ship and leave us better position and still be a longer server. Agree with that. Where I disagree with you is seeing him as a potential DoF. A DoF needs to be all over data science, has to think for the long term and has to be absolutely trustworthy with money. Not sure Neil is any of those things. If you look at those videos of him in the dressing room, ranting away, getting a reaction, inspiring a team, that's what he's brilliant at. I know you say we don't do long term btw and you are right, sadly - but at some point if we ever want to be successful, we have to. Think we have agreed previously that it was a mistake to sack Warburton, if you are serious and not just paying lip service to re-building the club from the bottom up then you need to stick with it even when results are crap and the message boards are screaming for blood. If they had given Warbs the director of football role, sacked Les, the PE teacher and all his staff and promoted Eustace either immediately or a year down the line that prob would have been the way to go but no one listened to the likes of us! Agree Stains. But off the fence with you. It's your call. Who gets the gaffer gig?
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Post by rodman on Oct 29, 2023 19:33:38 GMT
Did you think Ainsworth was the right choice ?
What were you views on his appointment
I was against it but a lot on here we’re for it No, didn't think Ainsworth was the right choice, really feared for him and his QPR reputation. Once he was here I really hoped his positivity would see us improve, but we only survived because of reading's points deduction last season, not because of Ainsworth's managerial skills.The haka embarrassment says it all about his managerial style - shout, jump up and down and pray it works. It didn't. Seen this quoted a few times in various threads and its not true! Even if Reading had their points given back to them. Cardiff finished a point below us and would have gone down instead of Reading. We were safe regardless.
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Post by Shania on Oct 29, 2023 19:37:47 GMT
It will be interesting to see what he can bring out of the fringe players like Dixon Bonner, Kolli, Duke McKenna etc. I would not have them anywhere near starting should he take over. We need pkayers for the here and now and none of those mentioned look ready. I see what you mean. But we need a reliable squad on the whole, so we will see.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 29, 2023 20:46:01 GMT
No, it's a pragmatic appointment, considering our circumstances. No 2 Clint fucking hill We are a band of brothers Great shout
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 29, 2023 20:54:22 GMT
Don't think Warnock is the right choice, but I'd still be supportive (and quite excited) at the prospect of having him back. The one 'big' thing I'd hope he could sort out is Willock, getting him motivated and playing again in the same way he did with Adel. And Richards
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 29, 2023 21:26:28 GMT
Agree with that. Where I disagree with you is seeing him as a potential DoF. A DoF needs to be all over data science, has to think for the long term and has to be absolutely trustworthy with money. Not sure Neil is any of those things. If you look at those videos of him in the dressing room, ranting away, getting a reaction, inspiring a team, that's what he's brilliant at. I know you say we don't do long term btw and you are right, sadly - but at some point if we ever want to be successful, we have to. Think we have agreed previously that it was a mistake to sack Warburton, if you are serious and not just paying lip service to re-building the club from the bottom up then you need to stick with it even when results are crap and the message boards are screaming for blood. If they had given Warbs the director of football role, sacked Les, the PE teacher and all his staff and promoted Eustace either immediately or a year down the line that prob would have been the way to go but no one listened to the likes of us! Agree Stains. But off the fence with you. It's your call. Who gets the gaffer gig? Good question Hal. Given we now don't have a DoF I would narrowly give it to Warbs (if he would take it) and let him re-structure the youth set up too. But given where we are Warno is a very close second for me, and I would certainly be delighted to see him back. Can't deny he would give everyone a massive boost after one of the most depressing periods I can remember as a QPR fan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 7:59:57 GMT
Warnock has never been a DoF which is, partly, the same problem people had with Les.
It requires a different set of skillset from a manager and as a man in his 70s has he got the patience/time to adapt and make a success of it?
I don't think he has.
However, as a short 6 month appointment it makes sense.
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