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Post by West Acton on Jan 1, 2020 21:19:33 GMT
he was good not sure brilliant. Still don’t command his 6yard box and it was another error for their goal. That’s just the facts not criticism Thanks to Brian McCarthy on LFW for this. "Ok, but just for the record, here are my notes on Lumley today, which I kept out of interest:- Eight clean catches One good save with feet Positioning excellent Communication superb Body language excellent Distribution good One assist for the third goal Got hands to Cardiff goal. Should have been parried clear, though hard-hit." again don’t disagree any of that. But that’s him doing his job it’s not a Brilliant performance |
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 1, 2020 21:24:52 GMT
All of that is fair enough Esox, but what's the count at now? 5 of 6 errors from Lumley that have directly led to a goal this season?
I get that you want to look at the positives, and I also understand your stance on criticism from fans and the effect it can have on players. But just because it didn't cost us today is not a reason not to be concerned by the frequency of these errors.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 1, 2020 21:26:21 GMT
Get off his fucking case and support him. Is that an order? 😉 What’s funny is that even after a 6-1 annihilation (how many of those have we had in recent times?) people aren’t eulogising, but still arguing over a relatively insignificant matter. Yes Lumley should’ve saved it but switched off for what was literally the last kick of the game. Otherwise he played ok, not brilliant and not poor. IMO. His assist was superb though. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jan 1, 2020 21:34:03 GMT
Our best game in years.
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 1, 2020 21:41:35 GMT
Get off his fucking case and support him. Is that an order? 😉 What’s funny is that even after a 6-1 annihilation (how many of those have we had in recent times?) people aren’t eulogising, but still arguing over a relatively insignificant matter. Yes Lumley should’ve saved it but switched off for what was literally the last kick of the game. Otherwise he played ok, not brilliant and not poor. IMO. His assist was superb though. Mate, read the whole thread. The team have been given lots of credit for today. And rightly so. The observation that the keeper made another pretty bad mistake was always going to be made. The only reason it's become a debate is down to Esox raising an exception. I'm over the moon this evening. Doesn't mean I'm not a little concerned about the goalkeeping situation though. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 1, 2020 21:47:21 GMT
How good was Wallace at LB
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Post by BrightonR on Jan 1, 2020 21:55:03 GMT
Always more direct with BOS in side. Depends what you mean by direct really. I think some people hear direct and think long ball. I think the point you are making is we had a couple of lads on the park that wanted to run at the Cardiff defence at every opportunity. It really was great to see. Wells was in the best form he's been in for months. BOS is playing with such swagger too. His best performance in a QPR shirt today. Chair and Eze were great too. 1 goal keeping mistake aside that was as close as you are ever likely to see to a perfect performance. Today was a perfect example of “passing out from the back” and it’s complete contrast with the “pissing about at the back” which we have had to put up with for so long now. Hardly ever did we place a teammate into a tricky situation. Concentrated, thoughtfully play. Coupled with a determination to get the ball forward much earlier and resulting in a much more positive vibe. And just as importantly, it puts the opponents on the back foot when they find us playing clever forward passes and causing them all manner of problems. Absolutely superb performance overall from the boys. Yes, Cardiff looked awful, but in fairness, I think you have to credit our players for playing in such a way that made that appear to be the case. Made a nice change to see the opposition being forced into mistakes for once. For crying out loud, they had barely had a kick by the time we’d scored the first. Still can’t get over that ball from Eze for the opener. That is why figures of £20m are being mentioned. You can coach skills and technique, but vision like that with the balls to try it is something very rare indeed. A very pleasant journey home tonight. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 1, 2020 21:59:23 GMT
How good was Wallace at LB I thought he was excellent, didn't you? And the first time he's played in a flat back 4 for us apparently. He needs a run in that role imo. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jan 1, 2020 22:24:16 GMT
Get off his fucking case and support him. Is that an order? 😉 What’s funny is that even after a 6-1 annihilation (how many of those have we had in recent times?) people aren’t eulogising, but still arguing over a relatively insignificant matter. Yes Lumley should’ve saved it but switched off for what was literally the last kick of the game. Otherwise he played ok, not brilliant and not poor. IMO. His assist was superb though. Minor flaw in the big picture but ruined Lumley's good performance. |
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Post by acricketer on Jan 1, 2020 22:39:30 GMT
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 2, 2020 8:27:23 GMT
How good was Wallace at LB I thought he was excellent, didn't you? And the first time he's played in a flat back 4 for us apparently. He needs a run in that role imo. He absolutely does mate. After reflecting on yesterday I'm actually wondering if the full backs (more accurately the fact that 2 of our regular starters in those positions can't actually defend) might be a huge part of the problem in terms of conceding goals. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 2, 2020 8:32:46 GMT
I thought he was excellent, didn't you? And the first time he's played in a flat back 4 for us apparently. He needs a run in that role imo. He absolutely does mate. After reflecting on yesterday I'm actually wondering if the full backs (more accurately the fact that 2 of our regular starters in those positions can't actually defend) might be a huge part of the problem in terms of conceding goals. this is what I have been trying to get across. Everyone has been focusing on passing as the cause when it was we can’t defend. Our FB, particularly Manning, let wingers put too many balls into the box which should be getting blocked for corners and throws |
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 2, 2020 8:53:12 GMT
He absolutely does mate. After reflecting on yesterday I'm actually wondering if the full backs (more accurately the fact that 2 of our regular starters in those positions can't actually defend) might be a huge part of the problem in terms of conceding goals. this is what I have been trying to get across. Everyone has been focusing on passing as the cause when it was we can’t defend. Our FB, particularly Manning, let wingers put too many balls into the box which should be getting blocked for corners and throws I'm not even sure it's just failing to stop crosses mate. Cameron and Wallace also didn't fanny around with the ball at their feet or try to overplayed yesterday. They kept it nice and simple, looked for the easy ball etc. What was also apparent yesterday was that we have so much talent in the middle of the park, we really don't need attacking full backs bombing forward all the time. I think the fact the full backs stayed home more often than not yesterday made us less susceptible on the break. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Jan 2, 2020 9:08:52 GMT
All of that is fair enough Esox, but what's the count at now? 5 of 6 errors from Lumley that have directly led to a goal this season? I get that you want to look at the positives, and I also understand your stance on criticism from fans and the effect it can have on players. But just because it didn't cost us today is not a reason not to be concerned by the frequency of these errors. Why not get upset at the amount of easy chances that Eze has spurned in the last three games? For such a gifted player to be missing the chances he has questions should be raised. Perhaps dropping him and giving him abuse on social media would make him buck his ideas up? How many sitters has Hugill blazed over the bar this season? Why isn't he being ripped to shreds? |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 2, 2020 9:18:41 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Jan 2, 2020 9:21:55 GMT
Plenty, when Eze did miss chance first half, were asking questions in the stands scared it might have cost us. It’s football we debate/discuss the good the bad and the indifferent. Why do you get so upset everytime?
What’s the weather like on your planet is it blue skies and sun every day ‘utopia’
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Post by itsonlyagame on Jan 2, 2020 9:44:35 GMT
Plenty, when Eze did miss chance first half, were asking questions in the stands scared it might have cost us. It’s football we debate/discuss the good the bad and the indifferent. Why do you get so upset everytime? What’s the weather like on your planet is it blue skies and sun every day ‘utopia’ Most of it’s debate but some of it is downright shocking. Our own fans sarcastically cheering him when he catches the ball, whilst others on here have called him a disgrace and a clown. I’m sure that has something to do with other fans feeling compelled to stick up for him, understandably so imo. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jan 2, 2020 9:45:42 GMT
Massive difference having two full backs who played as defenders instead of additional forwards. Proper back 4.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 2, 2020 9:57:11 GMT
Totally do not approve of him being mocked when he catches ball as it serves no purpose
Can’t see why we can’t discuss his and others performances for the record after game. No way should fans be challenged not to raise a negative simply because the overall result was good. That’s same as burying head in the sand
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Post by esoxlucius on Jan 2, 2020 10:00:19 GMT
Plenty, when Eze did miss chance first half, were asking questions in the stands scared it might have cost us. It’s football we debate/discuss the good the bad and the indifferent. Why do you get so upset everytime? What’s the weather like on your planet is it blue skies and sun every day ‘utopia’ Not really true though is it? Lumley is the chosen scapegoat and every thing he does is over scrutinised and critiqued. Some people seem to only find enjoyment in football if they can find someone to blame for something or find fault in a minute aspect of a game. They don't come on and ever give unreserved praise for a game or a player. Since social media it has been Karl Henry, Nedum Onuoha and many other QPR players who have only ever done their best for QPR but because they make a mistake that's all some people want to concentrate on. Yesterday was some of the best football I have ever seen at W12 in nearly 55 years of watching and that includes the title runners up season. Why not wax lyrical about that, it so rarely happens, it wasn't even an error by Joe yesterday, he just didn't get a strong enough save in to keep out a shot, but eveything else he did in the game is ignored because of it, or given faint praise before getting the dig in. There are hundreds of things that could be discussed regarding yesterday's game; will BFG be fit? was it the right thing to take all the pace off the pitch so early? are Amos & Ball the answer in centre midfiled? Is Cameron's best position at RB etc. but no, have a pop at Joe is the best option. If you just don't like him then say so. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jan 2, 2020 10:01:24 GMT
Got to say that Luke Amos is starting to look a proper player. Really like his constant nattering and directing the play....top confidence.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jan 2, 2020 10:04:25 GMT
Was gutted we let in the one goal, purely because Lumley and the back four had played so well BUT come on, that was some strike from Vaults.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Jan 2, 2020 10:16:07 GMT
Totally do not approve of him being mocked when he catches ball as it serves no purpose Can’t see why we can’t discuss his and others performances for the record after game. No way should fans be challenged not to raise a negative simply because the overall result was good. That’s same as burying head in the sand Totally agree. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 2, 2020 10:29:46 GMT
Fans like you Esox who think they're doing best thing defending players at every opportunity are, in my opinion, actually counterproductive to the player and the club overall.
No one is being slated, people are sharing views and opinions. If you can’t cope or engage with that then Perhaps messageboards are not for you as you appear to only want to hear one version of the truth
I hope behind closed doors Warburton pulled Lumley to one side and said you had good game but you can’t let goals in like you did at the end instead of blowing smoke up his arse like you want to do
If people are not having that conversation with him then they’re actually failing in there duty and his development/progression
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Post by 72bus on Jan 2, 2020 10:46:41 GMT
A striker can miss loads of sitters and a goalie makes one mistake ...Lumley I'm not really a fan and have seen his mistakes cost us ... But hugill has missed sitters blasting shots into the top of the loft many times . Who'd be a keeper
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 2, 2020 10:48:44 GMT
"it wasn't even an error by Joe yesterday, he just didn't get a strong enough save in to keep out a shot"
Err... So an error then.
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Post by Rangers77 on Jan 2, 2020 11:25:28 GMT
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Post by Rangers77 on Jan 2, 2020 11:27:01 GMT
Apparently Warburton called the fans ‘fucking cunts’ after the boos for subbing BOS..... |
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Post by spongeparr on Jan 2, 2020 11:32:45 GMT
Booing that sub is pretty crazy. Surely it's obvious that he is subbed to save him for the next game, and to get a standing ovation. Maybe it was because people were enjoying him play but still, it's pretty daft.
As for Lumley, great assist but he should have a clean sheet. Everyones head dropping after it went in tells that story.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Jan 2, 2020 11:34:58 GMT
Apparently Warburton called the fans ‘fucking cunts’ after the boos for subbing BOS..... Why shouldn’t he. He’ll get called it plenty of times I’m sure. As for the fans who disagreed with his decision, just goes to show how little they know about football. The game was well and truly won and we have a limited recourses. Why risk injury to some of our best players just to try and make it 7-0. Thinking about it he was wrong. He should have called them stupid cunts. |
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