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Post by Tarbie on Jan 24, 2020 22:37:10 GMT
It was a pretty strong lineup. Put BOS instead of Clarke, and you have all first team regulars. Played regularly but not our best team based on recent form; Kelly Kane, Masterson, Hall, Wallace Cameron, Amos BOS, Eze, Chair Wells Make it 7 changes I'd probably have Ball and Rangel in for Kane and Cameron. Agree with the rest though!
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Post by James1979 on Jan 24, 2020 22:38:54 GMT
Played regularly but not our best team based on recent form; Kelly Kane, Masterson, Hall, Wallace Cameron, Amos BOS, Eze, Chair Wells Make it 7 changes I'd probably have Ball and Rangel in for Kane and Cameron. Agree with the rest though! Yes agree about Rangel. Ball vs Cameron is 50:50
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 22:39:34 GMT
I thibk Shodipo has something but he’s always injured Hugill's poor finish was the chance to get us back into the game. Terrible finish and he really has to make the keeper work. Thought Masterson was excellent and BFG and Ball not far behind. The first goal was poor from the initial header from Manning and the three players on the right switching off then finishing off with Lumley not keeping it out. Thought Kane put in a performance as bad as I have seen in a very long time at Rangers.
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Post by hubble on Jan 24, 2020 22:40:01 GMT
Too right. See what I said a page back. Warburton took the piss with that starting 11. Complacent, disrespectful and criminal waste of a golden opportunity to progress. It was a pretty strong lineup. Put BOS instead of Clarke, and you have all first team regulars. Clarke only just joined and never started before. Manning, enough said. Leistner hasn't played for 3 weeks... too many changes for a game that deserved to be taken seriously.
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Post by 1qprdk on Jan 24, 2020 22:43:47 GMT
Must have been watching a different game to me mate. Thought we were set up way too conservatively (and that's not something I've ever said before under Warburton). I also don't think the players looked up for it. Even if we ignore the individual errors (and there was another horror for Lumley in the 2nd half), that was really a very poor performance. Didn´t mean we started very well, but apart from the stupid errors surrounding the throw in and goal, it was a fairly boring and even first half. Think we looked better (not Lumley) second half, and especially after BOS came on. Think we edged the second half in chances and shots, and that´s all I´m saying. We continued with plan A, did it better, created more chances, but fucked up anyways. On the conservative lineup, I actually think it was less defensive than we usually set up, with only Ball holding. Normally we would have two with him and then Amos, Scowen or Cameron in a 4,2,3,1 This was more 4,1,4,1 wouldn´t you agree?
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 24, 2020 22:49:23 GMT
Must have been watching a different game to me mate. Thought we were set up way too conservatively (and that's not something I've ever said before under Warburton). I also don't think the players looked up for it. Even if we ignore the individual errors (and there was another horror for Lumley in the 2nd half), that was really a very poor performance. Didn´t mean we started very well, but apart from the stupid errors surrounding the throw in and goal, it was a fairly boring and even first half. Think we looked better (not Lumley) second half, and especially after BOS came on. Think we edged the second half in chances and shots, and that´s all I´m saying. We continued with plan A, did it better, created more chances, but fucked up anyways. On the conservative lineup, I actually think it was less defensive than we usually set up, with only Ball holding. Normally we would have two with him and then Amos, Scowen or Cameron in a 4,2,3,1 This was more 4,1,4,1 wouldn´t you agree? Yeah, I suppose your right regarding the starting line up mate. But it certainly didn't work, whatever it was. We created next to nothing.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 24, 2020 22:49:35 GMT
Very pissed off at Warburton tonight. Lumley....I mean are you joking? After Kelly’s performance on Saturday. BOS has been awesome so we drop him? If he need a rest, what about Eze??? It took how long to make a change??? The big worry for me is that Eze, BOS and Wells are clearly top players but 1 is on loan and other 2 will likely be off soon. Can't forget we have Blackburn away on Tuesday, I'd imagine they will all start that game, and he wanted to make sure they were ok for then. That lineup was good enough to win the game, no question about it. The tactics? Well, questionable would be putting it mildly. I'm hoping he was giving Lumley one last chance to show him something, and it's not an indication that Kelly won't be starting on Tuesday.
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Post by Shania on Jan 24, 2020 22:50:42 GMT
Regarding having a masterplan or plan B or even a plan C for that matter, what I think we can expect with Warburton at the helm, is that we have to rely on buying players who have got top tactical smartness in their locker. And for all I know, maybe that is the way forward? After all, I think our 74/75 team was a team like that. Make no mistake about, It will obviously take a few transfer windows before we reach that point. Opinions?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 22:53:05 GMT
We had 3 decent chances at 1 nil and failed to hit the target with any of them. Kane, Chair and Hugill in the penalty area and the keeper never laid a glove on any of them. Tactics and line ups come into it of course but miss 3 chances like that and you really do not deserve to win the game.
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Post by Shania on Jan 24, 2020 22:57:26 GMT
Very pissed off at Warburton tonight. Lumley....I mean are you joking? After Kelly’s performance on Saturday. BOS has been awesome so we drop him? If he need a rest, what about Eze??? It took how long to make a change??? The big worry for me is that Eze, BOS and Wells are clearly top players but 1 is on loan and other 2 will likely be off soon. Can't forget we have Blackburn away on Tuesday, I'd imagine they will all start that game, and he wanted to make sure they were ok for then. That lineup was good enough to win the game, no question about it. The tactics? Well, questionable would be putting it mildly. I'm hoping he was giving Lumley one last chance to show him something, and it's not an indication that Kelly won't be starting on Tuesday. For what it`s worth: That is why he keeps starting him I think.
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Post by 1qprdk on Jan 24, 2020 22:57:59 GMT
It was a pretty strong lineup. Put BOS instead of Clarke, and you have all first team regulars. Clarke only just joined and never started before. Manning, enough said. Leistner hasn't played for 3 weeks... too many changes for a game that deserved to be taken seriously. Fair enough hubbs. I thought it was a pretty strong lineup for a QPR cup game, but could have been even better of course. MW: "You have to trust your squad" "It´s a squad game" 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 23:03:56 GMT
While he did not produce too much tonight I did like Clarke and think he will be a player for us in the 2nd half of the season.
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 24, 2020 23:06:16 GMT
You can only trust the squad if the squad is good enough DK. I don't think ours is too bad, but we are thin on the ground in a few positions. I don't think we can afford to keep switching between the 2 keepers anymore. Everyone can see who the best option is there.
Up front is also a worry. For me, you can tell with Hugill pretty early on in a game what you are probably gonna get. He didn't look at it at all tonight. We missed Nakhi badly.
We also missed a cutting edge with the 2 wingers selected. Pugh is neat and tidy on the ball, but pretty ineffective from out wide from what I've seen. Maybe the legs have gone a bit. And Clarke just looked off the pace.
Maybe just a bad day at the office but when things are quite clearly not working as was the case tonight, the manager needs to be able to adapt. Warburton seems to struggle with this.
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Post by Vespa on Jan 24, 2020 23:32:59 GMT
Clarke only just joined and never started before. Manning, enough said. Leistner hasn't played for 3 weeks... too many changes for a game that deserved to be taken seriously. Fair enough hubbs. I thought it was a pretty strong lineup for a QPR cup game, but could have been even better of course. MW: "You have to trust your squad" "It´s a squad game" 😂 Should have been stronger , 5th round beckoned , how exciting to get a big Premier league club away ,take thousands and have a great day out ( and a pay day for the club )or even better get a draw we could progress from ,then its the quarter finals ! For Fucks Sake Rangers ,take it serious , we aint gonna get promoted ,and even if we did ,the premier league is shit now for clubs like us ,and if i`m honest i`d rather win the FA Cup than anything ,except winning the League ,and we had our chance in 77 and it aint never going to happen again.
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Post by 1qprdk on Jan 25, 2020 0:31:47 GMT
Hugill out, Haaland in. Can you send the next Haaland R way before he cost 400000000000000 and sick squid. Just seen he banged in two more
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Post by 72bus on Jan 25, 2020 3:09:21 GMT
Warburton needs to settle on his best side and play it every game , I never have a clue what his line up will be . Why not the same team that did so well beating leeds.lumley and Kane are poor , dropping Bo's was stupidity as said it would of been good to draw a PL team next round
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Post by West Acton on Jan 25, 2020 8:42:01 GMT
I hand on heart don’t think that performance was any worse then most of our efforts this season. Only difference is we never took our chances.
73 mentions the missed chances you can add to that Pugh first half, three from Eze second and the one from Chair which he put wide when should have tested keeper
Take any of those chances we probably win two or three one and there is no forensic analysis of performance or Warburton. Yesterday we were wasteful, Cardiff and Swansea we were clinical that’s the difference
And believe it or not I’m going defend Lumley for the first, but do accept he let soft one in. But I’ve hammered Manning this season for not doing the first part of the job right which leads to later mistakes and goals and as I say keep first ball out and game/defending becomes easier.
That first goal was example of us failing to do first job of defending right which then leads to Lumley fluffing lines, should he save ball yes on reflection he should, however, if we don’t switch off and turn our back on throw taker then Lumley don’t face that shot. It goes out for corner or goal kick. Three of our players to there one and next thing he’s one on one with keeper. That’s sloppy!! If we do the first job right then there is no need for someone (Lumley) to do the second job
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Post by West Acton on Jan 25, 2020 8:51:46 GMT
And a quick one on Manning to debate, promise this is not me slamming him just observation.
Lots of the talk early season was we can cope with his defensive fragility because of the number of assists. Well August aside I’m not sure he’s got many assists and last few games I’ve watched of him and particularly last night all his crosses go straight out for goal kicks
The 4ish assists start of season were they just luck??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 8:53:14 GMT
I hand on heart don’t think that performance was any worse then most of our efforts this season. Only difference is we never took our chances. 73 mentions the missed chances you can add to that Pugh first half, three from Eze second and the one from Chair which he put wide when should have tested keeper Take any of those chances we probably win two or three one and there is no forensic analysis of performance or Warburton. Yesterday we were wasteful, Cardiff and Swansea we were clinical that’s the difference And believe it or not I’m going defend Lumley for the first, but do accept he let soft one in. But I’ve hammered Manning this season for not doing the first part of the job right which leads to later mistakes and goals and as I say keep first ball out and game/defending becomes easier. That first goal was example of us failing to do first job of defending right which then leads to Lumley fluffing lines, should he save ball yes on reflection he should, however, if we don’t switch off and turn our back on throw taker then Lumley don’t face that shot. It goes out for corner or goal kick. Three of our players to there one and next thing he’s one on one with keeper. That’s sloppy!! If we do the first job right then there is no need for someone (Lumley) to do the second job Saw it the same myself. Dreadful finishing and not doing the basics right again has cost us the game. Lumley should save the first but is his mistake any worse than the centre forward shooting 6ft wide in the middle of the area or Chair who is a very skillful playing dragging his shot wide.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 8:53:53 GMT
And a quick one on Manning to debate, promise this is not me slamming him just observation. Lots of the talk early season was we can cope with his defensive fragility because of the number of assists. Well August aside I’m not sure he’s got many assists and last few games I’ve watched of him and particularly last night all his crosses go straight out for goal kicks The 4ish assists start of season were they just luck?? He was shit last night in every department.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 25, 2020 9:01:53 GMT
And a quick one on Manning to debate, promise this is not me slamming him just observation. Lots of the talk early season was we can cope with his defensive fragility because of the number of assists. Well August aside I’m not sure he’s got many assists and last few games I’ve watched of him and particularly last night all his crosses go straight out for goal kicks The 4ish assists start of season were they just luck?? He was shit last night in every department. he’s been that way all season and I honestly have no idea why he was so highly rated by fans and why it’s taken so long for people to see he’s actually average at best and start questioning him It was the infamous ollie Brentford cup game, think two seasons ago, when I looked at him and thought your not up to this level and never will be and your acting at being a footballer.
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Post by Shania on Jan 25, 2020 10:17:36 GMT
Hugill out, Haaland in. Can you send the next Haaland R way before he cost 400000000000000 and sick squid. Just seen he banged in two more I agree it is a bit late for us now.. He is on an impressive run this year, but Wells scored a similar goal for us yesterday.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 25, 2020 10:35:20 GMT
For the life of me I don't understand why he keeps picking Manning and Lumley over Wallace and Kelly. The difference in ability / form is so painfully obvious 😩
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Post by West Acton on Jan 25, 2020 10:40:35 GMT
If the intention is we play second string in cup and both are now considered in that way I kind of get their selection.
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Post by James1979 on Jan 25, 2020 10:46:05 GMT
Lumley - I think was played with aim of a win and good performance would have got some confidence back. Kelly will and would have played next week, no question.
The player we really missed is Amos. Pugh, Chair.....similar players and can’t do the role that Amos does for us.
Other positive is I think the 3 fit centre backs are looking alright. It’s the goalie and full back position that kills us. That and when Amos doesn’t play, we lack quality in the middle.
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Post by 72bus on Jan 25, 2020 13:02:40 GMT
Say it every year no more cup games for me as managers put out disjointed 2nd string teams that don't play together week in week out . I was brought up as a kid with the magic of the cup and Highbury and Wembley in 82 still are great memories for me . My brother worked full time played Tuesday , Saturday and Sunday at semi pro level . Today these snowflakes moan about 2 games in a week.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 25, 2020 13:08:48 GMT
Say it every year no more cup games for me as managers put out disjointed 2nd string teams that don't play together week in week out . I was brought up as a kid with the magic of the cup and Highbury and Wembley in 82 still are great memories for me . My brother worked full time played Tuesday , Saturday and Sunday at semi pro level . Today these snowflakes moan about 2 games in a week. Team he put out last night was capable of winning that game tho 72. Helps if you have a keeper that can catch a ball just before half time and would have helped if W had realised earlier that it wasn't going to be Jack Clarke's night. 90 mins of BOS terrorising the full back would have paid off.
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Post by hal9thou on Jan 25, 2020 13:34:20 GMT
What a load of crap that was Totally agree out thought by Monk and once again no plan b. Only three balls diagonal over the top all game and each caused them problems. I give up 100% correct, said so around the hour mark. The other really worrying thing is too often under Warburton the other lot have simply wanted it more. If you can't motivate and you can't respond tactically, you're done basically. He is what he is: good at getting a side more comfortable on the ball and.... erm thats about it. If people are happy with that, fair play.
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Post by James1979 on Jan 25, 2020 13:52:53 GMT
Totally agree out thought by Monk and once again no plan b. Only three balls diagonal over the top all game and each caused them problems. I give up 100% correct, said so around the hour mark. The other really worrying thing is too often under Warburton the other lot have simply wanted it more. If you can't motivate and you can't respond tactically, you're done basically. He is what he is: good at getting a side more comfortable on the ball and.... erm thats about it. If people are happy with that, fair play. I’m not sure that’s fair. He’s had less money than all our previous managers. He’s had to completely revamp squad. The brand and style of play from jfh, Ollie and McLaren was awful and yet we’ve been higher in the league this season than under those guys. He made mistakes yesterday but he’s the best we’ve had since Warnock
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Post by West Acton on Jan 25, 2020 15:25:23 GMT
Totally agree out thought by Monk and once again no plan b. Only three balls diagonal over the top all game and each caused them problems. I give up 100% correct, said so around the hour mark. The other really worrying thing is too often under Warburton the other lot have simply wanted it more. If you can't motivate and you can't respond tactically, you're done basically. He is what he is: good at getting a side more comfortable on the ball and.... erm thats about it. If people are happy with that, fair play. what’s the alternative, Ollie??
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