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Post by spongeparr on Feb 27, 2020 16:44:14 GMT
Has anyone replied to the safe standing survey that was put onto the QPR site the other day? It would be great if they brought it in. I know you can't officially use it yet but other teams have it and use them for standing so no reason why we couldn't. I like my spot in Y block but realistically, it will go in the lower loft with the family stand being moved. EDIT: www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/take-part-in-our-rail-seating-survey/ |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 27, 2020 16:45:28 GMT
Yes, and I suggested exactly that. Get a home end again.
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 27, 2020 17:07:51 GMT
Yes, and I suggested exactly that. Get a home end again. This is really important imo.
Spurs and Wolves have done it and Man U are next, there is absolutely no reason for a small championship club like ours to avoid it. We need all the help we can get generating an atmosphere. Sign it.
Did they actually say it would go into Lower Loft? Wow. Someone has pulled their finger out. We need to make sure this happens.
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Post by hubble on Feb 27, 2020 17:23:02 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 27, 2020 17:30:11 GMT
No, they are asking for suggestions. I could make a few....
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Post by 72bus on Feb 27, 2020 18:24:49 GMT
Lower loft
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Feb 27, 2020 18:28:39 GMT
Done
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 27, 2020 18:35:54 GMT
Yes, and I suggested exactly that. Get a home end again. This is really important imo.
Spurs and Wolves have done it and Man U are next, there is absolutely no reason for a small championship club like ours to avoid it. We need all the help we can get generating an atmosphere. Sign it.
Did they actually say it would go into Lower Loft? Wow. Someone has pulled their finger out. We need to make sure this happens.
Terry Millichope & James Grant have a FB group centred on getting the Loft rocking again and have had meetings with Lee Hoo, among others. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 27, 2020 19:23:53 GMT
Safe standing would ruin my suede posh Italian trotters with all riff raff stepping on them. I have written my objections
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 28, 2020 9:55:35 GMT
This is really important imo.
Spurs and Wolves have done it and Man U are next, there is absolutely no reason for a small championship club like ours to avoid it. We need all the help we can get generating an atmosphere. Sign it.
Did they actually say it would go into Lower Loft? Wow. Someone has pulled their finger out. We need to make sure this happens.
Terry Millichope & James Grant have a FB group centred on getting the Loft rocking again and have had meetings with Lee Hoo, among others. In other words they have pulled their fingers out, fair play. This issue has been around for years. Do you know what the group is called Esox? |
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 28, 2020 10:14:40 GMT
Terry Millichope & James Grant have a FB group centred on getting the Loft rocking again and have had meetings with Lee Hoo, among others. In other words they have pulled their fingers out, fair play. This issue has been around for years. Do you know what the group is called Esox? It's this one Hal. www.facebook.com/groups/2271495516244102/ |
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 28, 2020 10:29:44 GMT
Yes, and I suggested exactly that. Get a home end again. This is really important imo.
Spurs and Wolves have done it and Man U are next, there is absolutely no reason for a small championship club like ours to avoid it. We need all the help we can get generating an atmosphere. Sign it.
Did they actually say it would go into Lower Loft? Wow. Someone has pulled their finger out. We need to make sure this happens.
They have asked where you would want it and I think lower loft is the run away winner, but it would still need enough people to vote on it. There is a butterfly effect here that the club will have to consider which will probably stop them. If it goes Lower Loft, then the family stand will move, this means upsetting the bulk of them. Where does the family stand go? Probably paddocks. That means moving the season ticket holders who are there which means you are potentially upsetting a lot of people. Does the price stay the same, or go up in those areas? Or do they put it in Y block where most stand anywya so it wouldn't have much impact, so is it worth extending it to X block. I dont think they will for fear of needing more police due to away fans. So do you do it in the R block? Probably makes the most sense but it will probably be going against what the survey states. But would people who stand and pay pennies in Y, move to R and pay twice the price when they stand anyway? |
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 28, 2020 10:40:35 GMT
This is really important imo.
Spurs and Wolves have done it and Man U are next, there is absolutely no reason for a small championship club like ours to avoid it. We need all the help we can get generating an atmosphere. Sign it.
Did they actually say it would go into Lower Loft? Wow. Someone has pulled their finger out. We need to make sure this happens.
They have asked where you would want it and I think lower loft is the run away winner, but it would still need enough people to vote on it. There is a butterfly effect here that the club will have to consider which will probably stop them. If it goes Lower Loft, then the family stand will move, this means upsetting the bulk of them. Where does the family stand go? Probably paddocks. That means moving the season ticket holders who are there which means you are potentially upsetting a lot of people. Does the price stay the same, or go up in those areas? Or do they put it in Y block where most stand anyway so it wouldn't have much impact, so is it worth extending it to X block. I don't think they will for fear of needing more police due to away fans. So do you do it in the R block? Probably makes the most sense but it will probably be going against what the survey states. But would people who stand and pay pennies in Y, move to R and pay twice the price when they stand anyway? I doubt whether many people would move from the Loft. They use the Family stand because it is The Loft not because it is the Family Stand. For a few months now I have been keeping an eye on the seat take up in the Lower Loft and even with the Saturday 3 O'Clock kick offs it isn't any better than approx 2/3rds full. Weekday matches like Derby on Tuesday are a disaster, barely a 1/4 full, if that. Posit that a good number already in the Paddocks would be up for standing behind the goal, along with say half of those already in the Family Stand wanting to stay in the Loft and it wouldn't be a real problem to have the Family Enclosure and the Disabled section in the East & West Paddocks. IMO a lot of the kids that would be moved as a result would love to have a new place near the dugouts where they could see the players and coaches up close and they would still have Jude & Spark to keep them entertained (Us old cynics might think the mascots are a load of bollocks but the kids love them). I could see quite a few of R Block moving over just be behind the goal and amongst singers & chanters, along with a few from Y Block who would stump up the difference just to be in amongst the atmosphere. These are all just my opinion and observances but we DO need support behind the goal, we must be the only club in the Championship that doesn't have fans behind either goal, let alone both goals. |
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 28, 2020 10:43:17 GMT
They have asked where you would want it and I think lower loft is the run away winner, but it would still need enough people to vote on it. There is a butterfly effect here that the club will have to consider which will probably stop them. If it goes Lower Loft, then the family stand will move, this means upsetting the bulk of them. Where does the family stand go? Probably paddocks. That means moving the season ticket holders who are there which means you are potentially upsetting a lot of people. Does the price stay the same, or go up in those areas? Or do they put it in Y block where most stand anyway so it wouldn't have much impact, so is it worth extending it to X block. I don't think they will for fear of needing more police due to away fans. So do you do it in the R block? Probably makes the most sense but it will probably be going against what the survey states. But would people who stand and pay pennies in Y, move to R and pay twice the price when they stand anyway? I doubt whether many people would move from the Loft. They use the Family stand because it is The Loft not because it is the Family Stand. For a few months now I have been keeping an eye on the seat take up in the Lower Loft and even with the Saturday 3 O'Clock kick offs it isn't any better than approx 2/3rds full. Weekday matches like Derby on Tuesday are a disaster, barely a 1/4 full, if that. Posit that a good number already in the Paddocks would be up for standing behind the goal, along with say half of those already in the Family Stand wanting to stay in the Loft and it wouldn't be a real problem to have the Family Enclosure and the Disabled section in the East & West Paddocks. IMO a lot of the kids that would be moved as a result would love to have a new place near the dugouts where they could see the players and coaches up close and they would still have Jude & Spark to keep them entertained (Us old cynics might think the mascots are a load of bollocks but the kids love them). I could see quite a few of R Block moving over just be behind the goal and amongst singers & chanters, along with a few from Y Block who would stump up the difference just to be in amongst the atmosphere. These are all just my opinion and observances but we DO need support behind the goal, we must be the only club in the Championship that doesn't have fans behind either goal, let alone both goals. Agree with the bulk of what you are saying other than the bold bit. My brother goes there with his kids because it is the family stand and not because it's the loft. He would rather be in Ellerslie but goes there for ease. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 28, 2020 13:28:59 GMT
I doubt whether many people would move from the Loft. They use the Family stand because it is The Loft not because it is the Family Stand. For a few months now I have been keeping an eye on the seat take up in the Lower Loft and even with the Saturday 3 O'Clock kick offs it isn't any better than approx 2/3rds full. Weekday matches like Derby on Tuesday are a disaster, barely a 1/4 full, if that. Posit that a good number already in the Paddocks would be up for standing behind the goal, along with say half of those already in the Family Stand wanting to stay in the Loft and it wouldn't be a real problem to have the Family Enclosure and the Disabled section in the East & West Paddocks. IMO a lot of the kids that would be moved as a result would love to have a new place near the dugouts where they could see the players and coaches up close and they would still have Jude & Spark to keep them entertained (Us old cynics might think the mascots are a load of bollocks but the kids love them). I could see quite a few of R Block moving over just be behind the goal and amongst singers & chanters, along with a few from Y Block who would stump up the difference just to be in amongst the atmosphere. These are all just my opinion and observances but we DO need support behind the goal, we must be the only club in the Championship that doesn't have fans behind either goal, let alone both goals. Agree with the bulk of what you are saying other than the bold bit. My brother goes there with his kids because it is the family stand and not because it's the loft. He would rather be in Ellerslie but goes there for ease. What's the ease sponge? Is it advantageous price wise to have a family ticket? Why not have a family ticket anywhere in the stadium then he could sit in Ellerslie. If it's foul language that's the problem maybe the stewards could do more than stand around obstructing stairways? |
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 28, 2020 13:33:24 GMT
I doubt whether many people would move from the Loft. They use the Family stand because it is The Loft not because it is the Family Stand. For a few months now I have been keeping an eye on the seat take up in the Lower Loft and even with the Saturday 3 O'Clock kick offs it isn't any better than approx 2/3rds full. Weekday matches like Derby on Tuesday are a disaster, barely a 1/4 full, if that. Posit that a good number already in the Paddocks would be up for standing behind the goal, along with say half of those already in the Family Stand wanting to stay in the Loft and it wouldn't be a real problem to have the Family Enclosure and the Disabled section in the East & West Paddocks. IMO a lot of the kids that would be moved as a result would love to have a new place near the dugouts where they could see the players and coaches up close and they would still have Jude & Spark to keep them entertained (Us old cynics might think the mascots are a load of bollocks but the kids love them). I could see quite a few of R Block moving over just be behind the goal and amongst singers & chanters, along with a few from Y Block who would stump up the difference just to be in amongst the atmosphere. These are all just my opinion and observances but we DO need support behind the goal, we must be the only club in the Championship that doesn't have fans behind either goal, let alone both goals. Agree with the bulk of what you are saying other than the bold bit. My brother goes there with his kids because it is the family stand and not because it's the loft. He would rather be in Ellerslie but goes there for ease. The sentence you emboldened is pertinent to the sentence I highlighted in Red. I appreciate that not everyone falls into the "I want to be in the Loft" but many do. |
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 28, 2020 15:14:23 GMT
Agree with the bulk of what you are saying other than the bold bit. My brother goes there with his kids because it is the family stand and not because it's the loft. He would rather be in Ellerslie but goes there for ease. What's the ease sponge? Is it advantageous price wise to have a family ticket? Why not have a family ticket anywhere in the stadium then he could sit in Ellerslie. If it's foul language that's the problem maybe the stewards could do more than stand around obstructing stairways? Ease is that it is nearer to get to from the family zone. Also, less standing so he hasnt got to worry about that. He doesnt care about the swearing and thinks there is probably more in the family than elsewhere! Just less chanting swearing. Plus the ticket pricing makes it easier for him there as I think (and could be wrong as never booked) you get different prices there? |
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Post by hertshoops on Feb 28, 2020 15:20:35 GMT
Personaly I don't think there is any need to move the Family stand anywhere - just do away with the name
It's an irrelevant white elephant that has (thanks Mr Beard) destroyed the atmosphere in the Loft
At last the club seem to be agreeable to turning the situation round - albeit for the 21-22 season
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 28, 2020 15:52:54 GMT
Personaly I don't think there is any need to move the Family stand anywhere - just do away with the nameAnd the rules that set it apart from the rest of the ground. It's an irrelevant white elephant that has (thanks Mr Beard) destroyed the atmosphere in the Loft Honestly the more I think about, they couldn't have put it in a worse place if they'd tried. And the bottom line is that it (the ruined atmosphere) has actually cost us competitive points over the years, Mr Hoos. |
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 28, 2020 16:16:03 GMT
Personaly I don't think there is any need to move the Family stand anywhere - just do away with the name It's an irrelevant white elephant that has (thanks Mr Beard) destroyed the atmosphere in the Loft At last the club seem to be agreeable to turning the situation round - albeit for the 21-22 season I said before that yo ucant have an atmospheric part of the ground and have it 1/3 filled with kids and parents who wouldnt want their kids hearing swearing. It has to be moved. And the rules would need to be changed as well as the name as yo ucant buy a ticket there without a kid with you. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Mar 1, 2020 17:40:07 GMT
Cannot wait for someone to ask me to sit down because they want to use the seat for 90 minutes and cannot see.
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 1, 2020 19:22:44 GMT
Cannot wait for someone to ask me to sit down because they want to use the seat for 90 minutes and cannot see. I for one am confused. The terms "Safe standing" and "rail seating" seem completely contradictory and yet they're being used to describe the same thing. I don't see how you can have both. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Mar 1, 2020 21:16:09 GMT
Cannot wait for someone to ask me to sit down because they want to use the seat for 90 minutes and cannot see. I for one am confused. The terms "Safe standing" and "rail seating" seem completely contradictory and yet they're being used to describe the same thing. I don't see how you can have both.  The seat part folds down if required. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 1, 2020 22:03:19 GMT
I for one am confused. The terms "Safe standing" and "rail seating" seem completely contradictory and yet they're being used to describe the same thing. I don't see how you can have both. The seat part folds down if required. Yeah I get that but I was responding to Mush's post above, whereby you'd run into issues. |
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Post by hal9thou on Mar 2, 2020 0:15:09 GMT
No matter what anyone thinks of safe standing, if this represents an opportunity to get the Loft back then we have to do it.
Like Stan says it was a terrible decision that has cost the club money (no change there) and Hoos also has to take responsibility for rubber stamping the original decision.
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Post by spongeparr on Mar 25, 2020 11:33:03 GMT
Time is running out for those who haven't had their say.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 25, 2020 15:46:48 GMT
Have to decimate our capacity now cant stand nearer than 6 ft
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 9, 2020 12:19:35 GMT
With football returning, I wonder when they'll publish the results of this?
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Post by BrightonR on Jun 10, 2020 6:35:57 GMT
We’ll need more toilets if we’re to stand two metres apart.
And I have yet to witness anyone washing their hands for 20 seconds, let alone singing “happy birthday” twice.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 24, 2021 10:29:08 GMT
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