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Post by Shania on Jul 12, 2020 11:33:35 GMT
I’ve only just got around to watching his post-match interview, during which he mentioned something that I don’t understand. Is anybody able to explain what he means when he claims that “any manager will tell you right now that you can’t work with players“? What the hell does training actually consist of these days? I think he said it was because the games where coming "thick and fast" now during the corona- crisis. |
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Post by Shania on Jul 12, 2020 11:35:00 GMT
A lot more than some so called 'fans' are giving him.Yes we've hit a bad blip, yes we've been poor since the restart but the reality is has has created a team out of youths, unknowns, loans and freebies. We were 1 game off of going 2nd in the table, flirted with the play offs most of the season and have hit a bad patch in form which has got the knives out from some. The fella has done a fantastic job under the circumstances and should be given our full backing. He will have an even harder job next season when we inevitably lose, Manning, Hughil, Eze, Bright and Lumley. So posters with a different opinion than you are not fans?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 11:42:10 GMT
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“Rest and recovery and players are better off having a day in bed Sunday then spending Monday getting organised for Tuesday game”
These are MW words
Does Tuesday mean a day in a socially distanced classroom trying to work out about who might play for opposition and maybe getting it wrong as in Fulham and SW games.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 12, 2020 12:09:51 GMT
Rather we just invested in some fucking players than sack another manager How can he build a team when he is given no money whatsoever It's amazing that he kept us in the division Sacking the manager is not the answer this time Sack the Board Yes Gen, 100% agree with you. Unfortunately next season I think it'll be worse. With the finances taking a massive hit because of the pandemic, I think any money we get for selling players will probably be used to keep the club going, and not used on replacing those players. For that reason I think we're relegated next season. Which will be a total disaster for this club especially given the state we're in. Would be a long way back from the hardest league of the three. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 12, 2020 12:28:29 GMT
Yes Gen, 100% agree with you. Unfortunately next season I think it'll be worse. With the finances taking a massive hit because of the pandemic, I think any money we get for selling players will probably be used to keep the club going, and not used on replacing those players. For that reason I think we're relegated next season. Which will be a total disaster for this club especially given the state we're in. Would be a long way back from the hardest league of the three. Agreed mate, its going to be a tough few years I reckon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 13:23:17 GMT
Yes Gen, 100% agree with you. Unfortunately next season I think it'll be worse. With the finances taking a massive hit because of the pandemic, I think any money we get for selling players will probably be used to keep the club going, and not used on replacing those players. For that reason I think we're relegated next season. Which will be a total disaster for this club especially given the state we're in. Would be a long way back from the hardest league of the three. Is ffp enforced at that level? We allowed £39m or thereabouts loss over three seasons at champ level but could see it being even less if it is. |
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Post by acricketer on Jul 12, 2020 13:39:37 GMT
I can't understand what Warburton is still doing here. With our stable of ferrari thoroughbreds he's clearly holding us back making the players look like clueless journeymen.
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Post by Rangers77 on Jul 12, 2020 14:19:54 GMT
I can't understand what Warburton is still doing here. With our stable of ferrari thoroughbreds he's clearly holding us back making the players look like clueless journeymen. Lol. I take the point, but even clueless journeymen can be taught to defend a corner like the one Weds scored their second from. Always defend the far post. Train a donkey to stand there. Persistent defensive frailties can only be down to the management. Let in more goals than Everyone bar Hull and Luton. The most conceded at home in a season ever. I wish I had faith in him addressing that. Banging goals in helped cover for that, so losing Nakhi was a big problem, I agree, but defensively he's woeful. I also question his man management. He's too nice, I fear. He hasn't a hairdryer and he badly needs one. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 12, 2020 14:50:14 GMT
Is anybody able to explain what he means when he claims that “any manager will tell you right now that you can’t work with players“? That's basically saying, I've lost the dressing room. That's why he can't motivate them. They're gone already.
Listen, I hear B.Silva talking about Pep. Everyone thinks Pep is some kind of tactical god, but BS was saying that if you don't put in a shift, or if anyone downs tools, that is cardinal sin no 1 for Pep and they are out. It's the bottom line and Klopp has said the same thing. Quality gaffers can cope with getting beat on merit, thats sport, but they can't respect less than 100%. Same at Blades. He wont have it, its disrespecting the profession and the badge.
It's never been just a defence problem with Warburton, its a man mangement thing. You arrive at a club and from day one you start with that ethos. Because the minute they start shying away on the park its the beginning of the end.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 12, 2020 19:12:14 GMT
Is anybody able to explain what he means when he claims that “any manager will tell you right now that you can’t work with players“? That's basically saying, I've lost the dressing room. That's why he can't motivate them. They're gone already.
Listen, I hear B.Silva talking about Pep. Everyone thinks Pep is some kind of tactical god, but BS was saying that if you don't put in a shift, or if anyone downs tools, that is cardinal sin no 1 for Pep and they are out. It's the bottom line and Klopp has said the same thing. Quality gaffers can cope with getting beat on merit, thats sport, but they can't respect less than 100%. Same at Blades. He wont have it, its disrespecting the profession and the badge.
It's never been just a defence problem with Warburton, its a man mangement thing. You arrive at a club and from day one you start with that ethos. Because the minute they start shying away on the park its the beginning of the end.
I agree,if you don't do it for the shirt you get dropped. Basic. Otherwise you're a cheat. Trouble is with our squad you are almost guaranteed a place. |
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Post by spongeparr on Jul 13, 2020 9:38:49 GMT
how many games do you give him? A lot more than some so called 'fans' are giving him. Yes we've hit a bad blip, yes we've been poor since the restart but the reality is has has created a team out of youths, unknowns, loans and freebies. We were 1 game off of going 2nd in the table, flirted with the play offs most of the season and have hit a bad patch in form which has got the knives out from some. The fella has done a fantastic job under the circumstances and should be given our full backing. He will have an even harder job next season when we inevitably lose, Manning, Hughil, Eze, Bright and Lumley. Agree with this, 100%. I honestly don't know what some fans are expecting from a team that cost about £250k to put together. Before lockdown, we played some of the best football ive ever seen at QPR, the passing from the back, give and gos etc was brilliant and way better than I thought we could do. However since lockdown, we have been nothing short of disgraceful with our performances and he does need to sort that out. Problem for him is, it's harder to sort out now as we have 0 to play for. But do I think he should be sacked? No, its crazy to think he should after 1 season. It would be nice to actually keep a manager for long enough to get his own players and drill it into them. Every summer we get rid of half a team and start again. Hopefully we can just make some tweaks and do better than this year. He has been a victim of his own success where some fans think we should be in the play offs because we started well. Even when lockdown happened, there were a lot of other teams in and around where we were points wise and it was only 6th place that's up for grabs. That shows that we are average at best but that's okay, as the last few years we have been shit at best. |
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Post by 72bus on Jul 13, 2020 10:09:37 GMT
Players only giving 60/70%, not picking up players ,not tracking back , not winning 2nd balls or 50/50s .all basic stuff , said before show them video of games then fine them
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 13, 2020 10:14:01 GMT
Players only giving 60/70%, not picking up players ,not tracking back , not winning 2nd balls or 50/50s .all basic stuff , said before show them video of games then fine them They are a disgrace and someone should be doing something to change this as this could easily overlap into next season if not careful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 10:54:46 GMT
Saw a stat from SW game..we lost 4 out of every 5 tackles...they should fine them a weeks wages for going AWOL.
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 13, 2020 11:25:26 GMT
You cannot coach drive or character you either have it or you don't and our mob don't. None of them would have impressed any potential buying club with the effort they have shown since lockdown. So they dropped a few quid bearing in mind they are thousands not hundreds a week so can still afford to live and if they move will no doubt earn a decent rise on what they get now.
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Post by Bill on Jul 13, 2020 11:36:54 GMT
They are meant to be professionals but clearly are not.
Club was caught with its pants down on restart which is unforgiveable.
MW needs to stay as who else would come here at present.
The players have been on the beach since March and are just going through the motions.Win lose or draw they get paid.
Some are rumoured to be moving to pastures new and dont really give a toss.
The supporters cant express their feelings at games so what incentive do they have.
The situation is dire but it could be worse.Having said that i do fear for us next season especially if any recruitment is poor and MW does not change in terms of the defensive side of the game.
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Post by jfrabbit on Jul 13, 2020 12:32:56 GMT
To Shania and Rangers77 What I mean by so called fans is if you want MW replaced because of 4 bad games after our fantastic run of form was disrupted by lockdown you're either SHIT fans or THICK fans or know nothing about football. Hope that clarifies things for you  |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 13, 2020 13:30:41 GMT
They are meant to be professionals but clearly are not. Club was caught with its pants down on restart which is unforgiveable. MW needs to stay as who else would come here at present. The players have been on the beach since March and are just going through the motions.Win lose or draw they get paid. Some are rumoured to be moving to pastures new and dont really give a toss. The supporters cant express their feelings at games so what incentive do they have. The situation is dire but it could be worse.Having said that i do fear for us next season especially if any recruitment is poor and MW does not change in terms of the defensive side of the game. Agree with most of that mate, but I'm not particularly doom and gloom about next season. I reckon there will be at least 5 or 6 clubs in more disarray than us. I also think MW is a safe set of hands in the transfer market. Even if funds are tight, we'll bring in some quality during the window. Plenty of decent players at this level will be looking for a contract. |
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Post by Bill on Jul 13, 2020 14:46:16 GMT
They are meant to be professionals but clearly are not. Club was caught with its pants down on restart which is unforgiveable. MW needs to stay as who else would come here at present. The players have been on the beach since March and are just going through the motions.Win lose or draw they get paid. Some are rumoured to be moving to pastures new and dont really give a toss. The supporters cant express their feelings at games so what incentive do they have. The situation is dire but it could be worse.Having said that i do fear for us next season especially if any recruitment is poor and MW does not change in terms of the defensive side of the game. Agree with most of that mate, but I'm not particularly doom and gloom about next season. I reckon there will be at least 5 or 6 clubs in more disarray than us. I also think MW is a safe set of hands in the transfer market. Even if funds are tight, we'll bring in some quality during the window. Plenty of decent players at this level will be looking for a contract. Not doom and gloom just realistic,our track record is not exactly good when it comes to recruitment and hasnt been for some time |
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Post by Rangers77 on Jul 13, 2020 14:47:38 GMT
To Shania and Rangers77 What I mean by so called fans is if you want MW replaced because of 4 bad games after our fantastic run of form was disrupted by lockdown you're either SHIT fans or THICK fans or know nothing about football. Hope that clarifies things for you Happy with that. But not 'so called fans'. |
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Post by The General on Jul 13, 2020 16:52:34 GMT
To Shania and Rangers77 What I mean by so called fans is if you want MW replaced because of 4 bad games after our fantastic run of form was disrupted by lockdown you're either SHIT fans or THICK fans or know nothing about football. Hope that clarifies things for you Happy with that. But not 'so called fans'. So Funny that response 77 spat me tea out |
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Post by James1979 on Jul 13, 2020 18:12:40 GMT
I’m not sure we can get anyone better than Warburton to be honest. Whilst I think the attitude, Organization and general fitness has been beyond shit, I do think he deserves at least 1 more season. Reasons being: 1) we were on great run before lockdown 2) football was good up till lockdown 3) we’ve got no decent strikers now 4) this is smallest budget any manager has had since I can remember.
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Post by Shania on Jul 14, 2020 10:26:04 GMT
To Shania and Rangers77 What I mean by so called fans is if you want MW replaced because of 4 bad games after our fantastic run of form was disrupted by lockdown you're either SHIT fans or THICK fans or know nothing about football. Hope that clarifies things for you Happy with that. But not 'so called fans'. Probably the best we could hope for. |
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Post by Shania on Jul 14, 2020 10:30:37 GMT
I’m not sure we can get anyone better than Warburton to be honest. Whilst I think the attitude, Organization and general fitness has been beyond shit, I do think he deserves at least 1 more season. Reasons being: 1) we were on great run before lockdown 2) football was good up till lockdown 3) we’ve got no decent strikers now 4) this is smallest budget any manager has had since I can remember. Plus I think MW is pretty much part of the club`s infrastructure now..like it or not.. |
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Post by The General on Jul 14, 2020 11:02:07 GMT
Hes had nomoney to work with
All the players were sold on his arrival also high earners,
Plays good football without doubt
Just needs a defensive coach = End of Problem (Clint Hill) Les sort it out ffs not brain surgery is it / Worst defensive display this season ive ever seen in 40 yrs
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Post by The General on Jul 14, 2020 11:05:45 GMT
If they dont sort out the keeper / defence and being without Eze / Bos / Wells / Hugill we will be farked
Next year is a deal breaker for the club in my opinion unless they invest in the team
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Post by Shania on Jul 14, 2020 12:46:07 GMT
Hes had nomoney to work with All the players were sold on his arrival also high earners, Plays good football without doubt Just needs a defensive coach = End of Problem (Clint Hill) Les sort it out ffs not brain surgery is it / Worst defensive display this season ive ever seen in 40 yrs Will not happen. |
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Post by James1979 on Jul 14, 2020 13:13:40 GMT
Hes had nomoney to work with All the players were sold on his arrival also high earners, Plays good football without doubt Just needs a defensive coach = End of Problem (Clint Hill) Les sort it out ffs not brain surgery is it / Worst defensive display this season ive ever seen in 40 yrs Yes Clint would be great. But he will be playing himself by mid season! |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 14, 2020 13:39:45 GMT
Just needs a defensive coach = End of Problem (Clint Hill) Les sort it out ffs not brain surgery is it / Worst defensive display this season ive ever seen in 40 yrs I've had it confirmed to me by the club that there isn't a dedicated defensive coach. They said that responsibility is shared between all the coaches. Clint Hill seemed to corroborate that too, as have some of MW's own comments. So it would appear that it's just not the way he approaches the coaching of the game. Therefore forcing one on him would seem folly as he would not have been appointed in the first place if the club hadn't been in accordance with his methodology from the start. If the club had wanted a manager who uses a defensive coach, they'd have hired one in the first place who does. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 14, 2020 14:20:56 GMT
Just needs a defensive coach = End of Problem (Clint Hill) Les sort it out ffs not brain surgery is it / Worst defensive display this season ive ever seen in 40 yrs I've had it confirmed to me by the club that there isn't a dedicated defensive coach. They said that responsibility is shared between all the coaches. Clint Hill seemed to corroborate that too, as have some of MW's own comments. So it would appear that it's just not the way he approaches the coaching of the game. Therefore forcing one on him would seem folly as he would not have been appointed in the first place if the club hadn't been in accordance with his methodology from the start. If the club had wanted a manager who uses a defensive coach, they'd have hired one in the first place who does. Surely no one at the club can be happy with how the team is set up defensively and how they actually defend in games? Easy thing to do would be to review that side of the game with MW and ask him his thougbts on how he see's it. You cannot play a full season and be getting worse by the week and just accept it. |
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