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Post by BrightonR on Jul 31, 2020 7:40:30 GMT
Ollie.nice bloke,nut job,not a top four divisions manager. Hughes. Arrogant cant, will do ok with stupid money,better pundit than boss. Harry. Chirpy media darling. Great for attention on club. Does he actually do anything except leave to his backroom boys. Old school dated manager. Colin. Marmite. Old school ,maybe finally past his best. But can be a fun ride manager. Steeeve. Top coach,should stay as a no2,not a manager. Warbs. Stubbornly,talks a wonderful talk,not a long shelf life like milk due to not looking at the obviously lacking parts of his plan Not a lot wrong with that. Regarding Warburton, when you look at the players he had to work with from day one, he’s done a pretty good job overall. He has improved the likes of Eze and Bright to an incredible degree, hopefully ensuring that all the time and effort spent doing so, will be fairly rewarded for a change. There are several other youngsters now starting to play in the first team, along with some fairly low cost acquisitions. That in itself should be applauded. It’s exactly the approach that we should be taking now in my view. It’s actually the approach that we should have taken for the years since the owners made such a mess of PL football, despite being given a second chance at it. And it has to be acknowledged in all fairness, that at times we have played a wonderful brand of entertaining and stylish football. Certainly some of the best we have seen for a few years. However, there are also a few things from another perspective that now need to be considered. Firstly, the absolute mediocrity of championship teams in general. There really hasn’t been that much to worry about in terms of opposition. Our defending, midfielders included, has been truly woeful for the most part. Quite how a manager can allow that to have continued throughout the entire season, is beyond most of us. And as good as we were prior to the enforced break, we have been equally as poor since the restart and I really cannot see any reason other than a complete lack of preparation, professionalism and desire, that would have led to this. In all likelihood, we are going to be losing the two most influential players we have, which is obviously a worry. And the fact that we don’t have a single recognised striker worthy of the name is a huge concern. Goodness knows how he’s going to overcome those issues, but we just have to hope that he can. Personally, I’m perfectly happy with the George Thomas signing. You don’t have to have heard of a player for him to be good. Pretty sure, although I was fairly young at the time, that Stan Bowles, Phil Parkes, along with many other successes from that era, weren’t considered anything like as brilliant as they turned out to be. I can’t help but think that part of MW’s problem is that in demonstrating just how good we CAN be at times, through both the development of our youngsters and his own coaching and desired style of play, when we so often fall woefully short of that as has been the case on far too many occasions this season, then questions inevitably arise. To the amazement of some, but justifiably at the time, we we only one win off second place at one point and later on, looking good for a realistic push for a play off place. What happened then? Hopefully he knows and also how to address it. He absolutely needs to work hard on their concentration levels and consistency. If he can do that effectively, he will rightly be getting the plaudits and a top 6 place will be easily possible. If he doesn’t, it’ll just be more of the same utter frustration and mediocrity. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 9:20:18 GMT
Good post Brighton...looks like your another translator trained in Essex lingo
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jul 31, 2020 9:55:28 GMT
He went to the ream language school init
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Post by Rangers77 on Jul 31, 2020 11:30:14 GMT
Good post by Brighton. Agree with every word. I like Warburton a lot, but so wish he'd be a a tad tougher. I worry he's too soft.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 31, 2020 11:35:33 GMT
Warbs. Stubbornly,talks a wonderful talk, not a long shelf life like milk due to not looking at the obviously lacking parts of his plan Yes but perhaps bread would be a more appropriate analogy. |
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Post by Shania on Jul 31, 2020 12:12:38 GMT
My worry is that a defender and his agent have spotted how little Warburton obviously emphazises on set-pieces etc...I hope I`m wrong..
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Sept 19, 2020 12:23:15 GMT
Will he last the season.
Yes or no?
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Post by James1979 on Sept 19, 2020 12:44:59 GMT
Yes think he will. Think getting rid mid season is thing of past for us. In summer he might go depending on how we do.
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Post by 1973ranger on Sept 19, 2020 12:54:13 GMT
Not if we defend like last night as no chance of winning more games than we will lose.
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Post by Shania on Sept 19, 2020 12:54:34 GMT
No.
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 19, 2020 13:01:11 GMT
To early to say imo.
I like a Warbs but last year he had Eze, Wells and Hugil bailing him out of our limited defending abilities.
I think this year and yes I sound like a broken record unless he is able to bring in 4/5 or 6 new players then we will struggle.
If he then sticks with the same formation, playing the wrong players in the wrong positions and refusing to not not bring anyone on until 70-75 minutes when there is a need to do so then people are going to want him gone.
I personally hope we back him over the next two three weeks and he’s able to bring in a gk, lb, back up cb, CAM, winger and striker. If he gets the support he’ll be ok, if not I’ll think he’ll go.
The reason I he’ll go if we don’t bring in to many more additions is I think a more defensive minded manager would get a tune out of the squad we have now with an additional striker of we switched to something like a 3 5 2 formation and I can’t see MW changing philosophy.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Sept 19, 2020 14:10:56 GMT
I have a feeling,beans morning wood will stand the yes of time more than wobbly warbs
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Post by spongeparr on Sept 19, 2020 16:06:10 GMT
Personally don't think Warburton should be sacked BUT while Lee Johnson is without a club there is a decent replacement who has helped build a club out of nothing and plays attractive football. Just saying because these last 6 games have been fucking terrible to watch and that includes a win ! So we want to replace someone working on budget, with someone who failed at City with a budget larger than ours? We (by and large) have played great football. Shit defending but good football rather than punting it forward. Sacking warbs is not the answer. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Sept 19, 2020 17:20:51 GMT
Bielsa's defence is even worse. Let's wait him to be sacked first.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Sept 19, 2020 17:31:24 GMT
Thinking about it, I'd give him as many seasons as it takes unless we are in real danger of going down. Am simply fed up of all this fucking managerial change.
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 19, 2020 17:31:34 GMT
I certainly don't want rid of him. Largely for the reasons Brighton states above. And also because I like him. But, Jesus, do I want him to get his finger out ASAP.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 19, 2020 18:23:53 GMT
Thinking about it, I'd give him as many seasons as it takes unless we are in real danger of going down. Am simply fed up of all this fucking managerial change. 100% agree. |
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Post by Greg1882 on Sept 19, 2020 18:25:37 GMT
Thinking about it, I'd give him as many seasons as it takes unless we are in real danger of going down. Am simply fed up of all this fucking managerial change. Totally agree. |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 19, 2020 18:48:09 GMT
MW job should only really ever be in doubt if we are in a dire relegation battle imo.
I think he will be given time and deservedly so. I also think most fans on here and in general don’t expect him to pull miracles out of his arse this season.
I do think it will be a rough ride with the squad we have now. However, I got a feeling we will sign 3 or 4 before the window shuts that could make a big difference.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 19, 2020 19:15:44 GMT
I got a feeling we will sign 3 or 4 before the window shuts that could make a big difference. I'd like that. 3 or 4 will be a happy compromise between "4/5 to 6", and "1 or 2" 🙂 |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Sept 19, 2020 19:54:36 GMT
Fuck me do we really need to bump this thread already?
What are we WATRB 2.0?
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Post by James1979 on Sept 19, 2020 20:10:04 GMT
Fuck me do we really need to bump this thread already? What are we WATRB 2.0? No but we don’t want to like LFW where only certain views are allowed either |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 19, 2020 20:22:52 GMT
Fuck me do we really need to bump this thread already? What are we WATRB 2.0? To be fair mate, since it did get bumped I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that sacking MW is a bad idea and he should be allowed to build slowly over the long term. With the caveat that he gets a fucking defensive coach in sharpish lol. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Sept 19, 2020 20:34:51 GMT
Fuck me do we really need to bump this thread already? What are we WATRB 2.0? To be fair mate, since it did get bumped I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that sacking MW is a bad idea and he should be allowed to build slowly over the long term. With the caveat that he gets a fucking defensive coach in sharpish lol. He needs to face the facts that defensively we are and have been shit since the day he came to us. Unless he gets in a defensive coach and works the back four the sack is almost inevitable as we are not going to be a lucky as last week v Forest and not going to outscore teams week in week out. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Sept 20, 2020 0:44:11 GMT
To be fair mate, since it did get bumped I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that sacking MW is a bad idea and he should be allowed to build slowly over the long term. With the caveat that he gets a fucking defensive coach in sharpish lol. He needs to face the facts that defensively we are and have been shit since the day he came to us. Unless he gets in a defensive coach and works the back four the sack is almost inevitable as we are not going to be a lucky as last week v Forest and not going to outscore teams week in week out. Were we lucky against Forest though? Or is that being rethought on the basis of last night's defensive shambles? |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 20, 2020 5:47:11 GMT
He needs to face the facts that defensively we are and have been shit since the day he came to us. Unless he gets in a defensive coach and works the back four the sack is almost inevitable as we are not going to be a lucky as last week v Forest and not going to outscore teams week in week out. Were we lucky against Forest though? Or is that being rethought on the basis of last night's defensive shambles? We definitely rode our luck mate. If you re-watch the game Forrest opened us up 3 or 4 times and Grabban missed chances he would normally bury. Was a great result and start to the season but on a normal day for Grabban we would of conceded at least one or two goals. That’s football though and the deficiencies in the game before at Forrest we’re over looked because we to the win and rode our luck. They are now being highlighted as the Coventry game highlighted our weakness again and it’s easy to find the same poor defending in the game before. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Sept 20, 2020 7:35:08 GMT
He needs to face the facts that defensively we are and have been shit since the day he came to us. Unless he gets in a defensive coach and works the back four the sack is almost inevitable as we are not going to be a lucky as last week v Forest and not going to outscore teams week in week out. Were we lucky against Forest though? Or is that being rethought on the basis of last night's defensive shambles? Not really as Forest had chances to score at least two. |
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Post by Bill on Sept 20, 2020 10:50:41 GMT
Imo he should go.
He can't organise a defence and does seemingly very little to remedy it.
Stubborn and cant see him changing.
If you cant defend you may as well not bother.
It's a fundamental part of the game and he has shown no sign of improvement in this area.
Its like flogging a dead horse.
I dont like changing managers but if you cant do the basics,you are on the back foot before you start the game.
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Post by James1979 on Sept 20, 2020 11:14:10 GMT
He needs to face the facts that defensively we are and have been shit since the day he came to us. Unless he gets in a defensive coach and works the back four the sack is almost inevitable as we are not going to be a lucky as last week v Forest and not going to outscore teams week in week out. Were we lucky against Forest though? Or is that being rethought on the basis of last night's defensive shambles? I wouldn’t say we were lucky mate. But having watched highlights since, they did have some very good chances. I think win papered over the cracks. We need to sort out the defence. It’s got nothing to do with how we play going forward in my view or the players. Just our set up seems all over the shop. |
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Post by Shania on Sept 20, 2020 11:15:09 GMT
Imo he should go. He can't organise a defence and does seemingly very little to remedy it. Stubborn and cant see him changing. If you cant defend you may as well not bother. It's a fundamental part of the game and he has shown no sign of improvement in this area. Its like flogging a dead horse. I dont like changing managers but if you cant do the basics,you are on the back foot before you start the game. Many valid points here. |
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