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Post by West Acton on Jan 28, 2020 7:55:03 GMT
Why are we raving about a guy who can't get in Stoke's revival team? exactly type of player we should be looking at. Surprised with your history this has gone over your head As Tarbs says not raving we’re simply trying identify a potential affordable and like for like replacement for Wells. If you prefer can stick with Mlakar 😁 |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 8:03:10 GMT
I was just wondering why we think someone who hasn't made a mark in a team worse than us is a good option. I totally get why we would look at someone who can't get in a prem team but he's already dropped down from Villa.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 8:05:41 GMT
Dunno about raving about him Alan, but Hogan is a player that Warburton brought through at Brentford. He had 18 months there (albeit the latter part after Warburton had moved on) where he was banging in goals right left and centre. His career has taken a bit of a nosedive since leaving Brentford, but if he could recreate his form of 2015-2017 he would be a force at this level! We bought Washington after one good season. The fact he's hardly scored/been picked since Brentford is a worry for me. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 28, 2020 8:14:24 GMT
I was just wondering why we think someone who hasn't made a mark in a team worse than us is a good option. I totally get why we would look at someone who can't get in a prem team but he's already dropped down from Villa. like Dom Ball at Rotherham?? |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 8:20:23 GMT
Fair point but it's easier to play yourself into form in the middle where you are involved. A striker may only get one chance. If he's off his game have we got the time to wait.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 28, 2020 8:49:49 GMT
Fair point but it's easier to play yourself into form in the middle where you are involved. A striker may only get one chance. If he's off his game have we got the time to wait. do you have an alternative who is ready to go, within our budget and ready to hit the net? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 9:37:42 GMT
Hogan is similar to Alan Judge in that his best days were at Brentford.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 9:47:37 GMT
Fair point but it's easier to play yourself into form in the middle where you are involved. A striker may only get one chance. If he's off his game have we got the time to wait. do you have an alternative who is ready to go, within our budget and ready to hit the net? Do we even have a budget? |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 28, 2020 9:47:57 GMT
Hogan caught up in the signing bonanza Villa went through where they bought everything in sight when you can only have two up front
Was always going be a bad move as it was for few others
Are they not still paying Mcormack?
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 9:48:05 GMT
Hogan is similar to Alan Judge in that his best days were at Brentford. Precisely my concern. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Jan 28, 2020 9:51:26 GMT
Hogan caught up in the signing bonanza Villa went through where they bought everything in sight when you can only have two up front Was always going be a bad move as it was for few others Are they not still paying Mcormack? Villa appeared to have not learned from that spree as they spent the thick end of £150m last summer. I pray every evening before I go to sleep that they get relegated. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 9:52:05 GMT
Does this not show that our wonderful youth development perhaps isn't after all? Another thread mentions Allen and Goddard-those two were ripping it up and ready to break through. Are Oteh and Smyth all we've got? Looks like it.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 28, 2020 10:12:50 GMT
Does this not show that our wonderful youth development perhaps isn't after all? Another thread mentions Allen and Goddard-those two were ripping it up and ready to break through. Are Oteh and Smyth all we've got? Looks like it. you have become so negative recently on a par with Hal |
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 28, 2020 10:14:06 GMT
Hogan caught up in the signing bonanza Villa went through where they bought everything in sight when you can only have two up front Was always going be a bad move as it was for few others Are they not still paying Mcormack? McCormack is without a club mate. He was on loan in Australia, then I think he had a spell in Scotland where he didn't do much. To be fair, he's always been a fat bastard. Maybe it's all caught up with him in his 30's.  |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Jan 28, 2020 10:25:23 GMT
Does this not show that our wonderful youth development perhaps isn't after all? Another thread mentions Allen and Goddard-those two were ripping it up and ready to break through. Are Oteh and Smyth all we've got? Looks like it. Well that seems a tad harsh Alan. It would seem we don't have any strikers that could step up yet but we seem to be doing very nicely in most other positions. I would guess that strikers would be the hardest kids to keep on to so hopefully that will change as kids see that QPR is a team that develop the yoof (innit) |
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Post by Corbray on Jan 28, 2020 10:30:43 GMT
Does this not show that our wonderful youth development perhaps isn't after all? Another thread mentions Allen and Goddard-those two were ripping it up and ready to break through. Are Oteh and Smyth all we've got? Looks like it. you forgetting that eze, chair, furlong, lumley and manning have all spent extensive periods in our academy? |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 10:33:16 GMT
Does this not show that our wonderful youth development perhaps isn't after all? Another thread mentions Allen and Goddard-those two were ripping it up and ready to break through. Are Oteh and Smyth all we've got? Looks like it. you have become so negative recently on a par with Hal Not true, just can see a problem. I would hope we have been looking for a replacement knowing Wells may be recalled but k owing us we'll be in a panic Friday |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 10:34:34 GMT
Does this not show that our wonderful youth development perhaps isn't after all? Another thread mentions Allen and Goddard-those two were ripping it up and ready to break through. Are Oteh and Smyth all we've got? Looks like it. you forgetting that eze, chair, furlong, lumley and manning have all spent extensive periods in our academy? I'm talking strikers corbs |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 28, 2020 10:38:03 GMT
you have become so negative recently on a par with Hal Not true, just can see a problem. I would hope we have been looking for a replacement knowing Wells may be recalled but k owing us we'll be in a panic Friday again negative with line ‘knowing us’ and you make my point for me perfectly Plus you comparison of Allen etc is like comparing apples and pears as you have gone back nearly 40years to an era which has next to no similarity to today’s game when it comes to players getting opportunities. Games moved on, probably for the worse, but it has |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 28, 2020 10:39:05 GMT
you forgetting that eze, chair, furlong, lumley and manning have all spent extensive periods in our academy? I'm talking strikers corbs think you got strikers mixed up with bollocks 😁 |
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 28, 2020 10:40:28 GMT
Dunno what we are all getting in a flap about to be honest. 3 days left in the window and we've been scouting players all month. We will get the required cover in. We just need to have a bit of patience and a little bit of faith in those in charge.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 10:41:25 GMT
I'm talking strikers corbs think you got strikers mixed up with bollocks 😁 Really? So who are our reserve strikers then? Who is pushing Hugill for a start today? |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 28, 2020 10:42:53 GMT
Dunno what we are all getting in a flap about to be honest. 3 days left in the window and we've been scouting players all month. We will get the required cover in. We just need to have a bit of patience and a little bit of faith in those in charge. window across all leagues has been very very quiet Think Sky will struggle to fill their 24hrs transfer deadline day crapathon this window |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 10:44:20 GMT
I hope we do get a half decent replacement for Wells as Hugill is not good or fit enough to play the lion share of the games left. And he is an example of how little you get for 10 million nowadays.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 10:46:26 GMT
Not true, just can see a problem. I would hope we have been looking for a replacement knowing Wells may be recalled but k owing us we'll be in a panic Friday again negative with line ‘knowing us’ and you make my point for me perfectly Plus you comparison of Allen etc is like comparing apples and pears as you have gone back nearly 40years to an era which has next to no similarity to today’s game when it comes to players getting opportunities. Games moved on, probably for the worse, but it has 40 years has nothing to do with the principle of having reserves battering the door down for a call up. Not negative, fact. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 28, 2020 10:50:54 GMT
think you got strikers mixed up with bollocks 😁 Really? So who are our reserve strikers then? Who is pushing Hugill for a start today? on this occasion yes really Is your point that we should have a player ready to step into every single position from the youth team? We’re light upfront that’s not in dispute, think if you asked most clubs where they’re light they would say forward as it’s the hardest position to fill. We were light upfront last season the season before that etc. If we’re honest we have been shite upfront, in depth, going back to the 90s; we’ve had good strikers Austin, Remy, Cisse but nothing behind them it’s not a new problem |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 10:52:25 GMT
Look, the fact we have had two loans for strikers and no options means we haven't developed anyone for that position. Truth is we thought we'd cracked it for a few seasons with Washington and came unstuck.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 10:52:36 GMT
again negative with line ‘knowing us’ and you make my point for me perfectly Plus you comparison of Allen etc is like comparing apples and pears as you have gone back nearly 40years to an era which has next to no similarity to today’s game when it comes to players getting opportunities. Games moved on, probably for the worse, but it has 40 years has nothing to do with the principle of having reserves battering the door down for a call up. Not negative, fact. We do seem short on the production line of strikers as shown by Wells and Hemed last season and Wells and Hugill this season being our first choice striking options. If we do not replace Wells then we need to be looking at 2 strikers now for next season and get guys tied up. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2020 11:02:38 GMT
Really? So who are our reserve strikers then? Who is pushing Hugill for a start today? on this occasion yes really Is your point that we should have a player ready to step into every single position from the youth team? We’re light upfront that’s not in dispute, think if you asked most clubs where they’re light they would say forward as it’s the hardest position to fill. We were light upfront last season the season before that etc. If we’re honest we have been shite upfront, in depth, going back to the 90s; we’ve had good strikers Austin, Remy, Cisse but nothing behind them it’s not a new problem 22 players capable of first team football seems a basic for a Champ club. Reserves don't need to be regulars but if they take their chance that's great for competition. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 28, 2020 11:09:48 GMT
on this occasion yes really Is your point that we should have a player ready to step into every single position from the youth team? We’re light upfront that’s not in dispute, think if you asked most clubs where they’re light they would say forward as it’s the hardest position to fill. We were light upfront last season the season before that etc. If we’re honest we have been shite upfront, in depth, going back to the 90s; we’ve had good strikers Austin, Remy, Cisse but nothing behind them it’s not a new problem 22 players capable of first team football seems a basic for a Champ club. Reserves don't need to be regulars but if they take their chance that's great for competition. so if they don’t have to be regular do you accept on that basis your looking at a lesser quality/standard of player then who is happy kicking his heels Exact problem spurs find themselves having one out and out striker who always plays meaning no decent striker will sign knowing their bit part |
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