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Post by 3london on Jul 30, 2019 18:04:36 GMT
I can see a lot of the smaller clubs going under...football has gone crazy!
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Post by West Acton on Apr 8, 2020 8:38:08 GMT
We fair quite well when you look at others. Some job the board have done going from extravagant spending to this
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Post by itsonlyagame on Apr 8, 2020 9:24:16 GMT
Reading. So fake they are even trying to emulate us when it comes to completely fucking up their finances😄
Problem for us is 17m of revenue for that season was our final parachute payment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 11:32:18 GMT
Leeds FFP losses are £48m for last three years apparently so look like they got promoted just at right time. Be interesting to see if they get clobbered if relegated like we did.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 18, 2020 12:53:50 GMT
Ale Faurlin didn't play for them.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jul 18, 2020 14:27:43 GMT
Leeds fans are thick as shit,loved their covid party outside ground. 😊
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Post by Bill on Jul 18, 2020 14:30:22 GMT
Leeds only promoted because of covid as they normally blowing out their arses by March
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 14, 2021 17:35:46 GMT
All sorts of club seemingly in the sh*t, but running up massive losses to try and break out of the Championship.
So far dear old QPR seem to be just about the ONLY club to have been hit with any meaningful punishment - everyone else seems to get away with little more than a slapped wrist.
Anyway, saw this in Twatter... will be interesting to see what punishment, if any, is forthcoming...
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Post by West Acton on Apr 14, 2021 18:51:03 GMT
Was just going post that. Crazy figures wages 211% income
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 14, 2021 23:00:40 GMT
Puts things into perspective. Spunk that kind of money to be 10 points better off than we are whilst living within our means.
I know which situation I'd rather us be in!
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Apr 15, 2021 6:04:00 GMT
Puts things into perspective. Spunk that kind of money to be 10 points better off than we are whilst living within our means. I know which situation I'd rather us be in! Exactly this. Which is why I actively laugh at people who want us to be splashing the cash again. That sort of stupidity is pretty special. |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 15, 2021 6:55:20 GMT
I’m with you Ginge and Tarbs but think we are the minority with that view
Barnsley doing ok on shoestring so operate wisely and you can still deliver
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 15, 2021 7:00:44 GMT
My Mrs spends like Imelda Marcos and I'm doing all right
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 15, 2021 7:51:38 GMT
I’m with you Ginge and Tarbs but think we are the minority with that view Barnsley doing ok on shoestring so operate wisely and you can still deliver But it isn’t simply that argument - there is the question of how long they are prepared to carry on losing large amounts of money. Saying how sensible we are these days ignores the fact they bale us out every month. Like I said somewhere else I’d love to know their thinking or even if they have a plan. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 15, 2021 8:03:27 GMT
I bet if they have,it's not a cunning one.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 15, 2021 8:08:30 GMT
Barnsley doing ok on shoestring so operate wisely and you can still deliver Indeed. The preferable blueprint and shows it CAN be done. Not the only example of it either. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 15, 2021 8:16:11 GMT
All depends on your direction for club. If Barnsley go up a great feat indeed. But they have got to spend big to try and stay up with even then no guarantee. Or get smashed week in out and take cash for relegation. Or tick along spend enough to survive in this league and no ambition. Its a hard call.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 15, 2021 8:40:30 GMT
Our point was about how they get there, not the possible approaches once there.
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Post by Corbray on Apr 15, 2021 9:00:33 GMT
i'd prefer us to carry on doing what we're doing and being safe in the market than splurging tbh.
sure it hurts at times to miss out on a wells or have to sell an eze but it makes sense and staves off the taxman in the long run.
plus i love seeing players come through our academy/watching young signings develop. its quite rewarding watching a player get better and better imo.
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 15, 2021 9:23:27 GMT
i'd prefer us to carry on doing what we're doing and being safe in the market than splurging tbh. sure it hurts at times to miss out on a wells or have to sell an eze but it makes sense and staves off the taxman in the long run. plus i love seeing players come through our academy/watching young signings develop. its quite rewarding watching a player get better and better imo. Your post is exactly what I’m concerned about Corbs. You/we might be happy and understanding of our position but it relies on our owners to be happy losing money. As for missing out on players I’m only expecting De Wijs of the newcomers to be here next season. There isn’t another Eze in sight so if they want to realise any decent money this summer two or three will go and we will start next season as we did with this one with everyone saying the squad isn’t good enough. As for young players coming through it seems Kelman and Bettache have been written off by posters already (I think unfairly) and the others often mentioned aren’t that young. I’ve seen really good to great young players come through over the years and we’re nowhere near that now. As Leighsy says, hard choice to be made. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 15, 2021 10:37:06 GMT
Speculate to accumulate
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Post by Corbray on Apr 15, 2021 12:31:06 GMT
i'd prefer us to carry on doing what we're doing and being safe in the market than splurging tbh. sure it hurts at times to miss out on a wells or have to sell an eze but it makes sense and staves off the taxman in the long run. plus i love seeing players come through our academy/watching young signings develop. its quite rewarding watching a player get better and better imo. Your post is exactly what I’m concerned about Corbs. You/we might be happy and understanding of our position but it relies on our owners to be happy losing money. As for missing out on players I’m only expecting De Wijs of the newcomers to be here next season. There isn’t another Eze in sight so if they want to realise any decent money this summer two or three will go and we will start next season as we did with this one with everyone saying the squad isn’t good enough. As for young players coming through it seems Kelman and Bettache have been written off by posters already (I think unfairly) and the others often mentioned aren’t that young. I’ve seen really good to great young players come through over the years and we’re nowhere near that now. As Leighsy says, hard choice to be made. i get that but i think we're getting there and are in a better position than other clubs long term. in terms of first teamers that could be sold for good money we have the likes of dieng, chair and dickie that could fetch a combined 20m imo. then you have the likes of willock, field (i think we'll bring him in), dykes, mastetson and kakay who all have potential to make the step up. and even after that we have the young 'jurys still out' players like walsh, kelman, sinclair armstrong and bettache who are still too young to pass a fair judgement on. even after that (sorry to drag it out lol) we have players we've signed on the cheap/free who could be sold for half decent fees if need be like barbet, ball, niko, bonne and kane. so there is that conveyer belt there ready to bring in cheap players and sell at a profit if need be but thats how a club of our size needs to operate to not only stay afloat but move forward. its worked for brentford and is working for barnsley too so the proof is in the pudding so to speak. i don't worry too much about our owners losing interest, we're a london club with a new training ground on the way and are run pretty sensibly nowadays. plus our owners have invested too heavily in the past to cut their losses now when we're finally in a stable position and are starting to look up the table rather than down. if the owners do sell it'd likely be only if we're either a premier league club or at least a top championship club as it makes very little sense for them otherwise imo. |
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 15, 2021 13:11:53 GMT
Puts things into perspective. Spunk that kind of money to be 10 points better off than we are whilst living within our means. I know which situation I'd rather us be in! Exactly this. Which is why I actively laugh at people who want us to be splashing the cash again. That sort of stupidity is pretty special. <sigh> This is not a binary choice, ie crazy spending vs doing absolutely SFA. It should never have been a boom / bust cycle. It's possible to invest wisely. Also, as has been pointed out on here repeatedly, a cycle of promotion / relegation is astronomically more lucrative than it was when we embarked our insane supermarket spree. If anyone is seriously interested in a road map for financially managing a club like ours, they should take a look at Norwich. Lack of investment can be very damaging in the long run. |
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 15, 2021 13:43:26 GMT
And who's to say we aren't on that road map Hal? It's only only 12 months or so since we got out of the the most limiting part of the FFP sanctions that were put on us. And we've been in a pandemic with no fans since then.
Perhaps we've got a chunk ready to spend when the board think the time is right. Which clearly isn't now given there is a gaping hole in our revenues as the result of no fans being allowed to attend matches!
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 15, 2021 14:13:15 GMT
Exactly this. Which is why I actively laugh at people who want us to be splashing the cash again. That sort of stupidity is pretty special. <snip> It's possible to invest wisely. <snip> In theory, yes. In practice, it's all a gamble. We 'invested' about £3m in a promising lower league striker a few years ago. In theory, that was wise move, in that he was a) promising and b) prolific in League One In practice, well, we all know how that ended (though Conor's doing well at Charlton these days, and good luck to him). With the kind of players we're looking at and the budget available, our transfer successes are going to be hit-and-miss. It's encouraging though that January's transfer window was so bl**dy good - hope it was more judgement than luck  |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 15, 2021 14:44:23 GMT
Said it b4,why dont more clubs go in 50/50 on new ground together.
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 15, 2021 16:52:25 GMT
Said it b4,why dont more clubs go in 50/50 on new ground together. In theory - very sensible. In practice - who here would want to share a ground with Chelsea, Fulham or Brentford?  |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 15, 2021 16:58:22 GMT
I wouldn't care,if it meant a better future.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Apr 15, 2021 18:43:47 GMT
Exactly this. Which is why I actively laugh at people who want us to be splashing the cash again. That sort of stupidity is pretty special. <sigh> This is not a binary choice, ie crazy spending vs doing absolutely SFA. It should never have been a boom / bust cycle. It's possible to invest wisely. Also, as has been pointed out on here repeatedly, a cycle of promotion / relegation is astronomically more lucrative than it was when we embarked our insane supermarket spree. If anyone is seriously interested in a road map for financially managing a club like ours, they should take a look at Norwich. Lack of investment can be very damaging in the long run. There's a big difference between investment into the playing staff and splashing the cash, which I'd argue is much more damaging. We've felt the effects of that the best part of the last decade. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 15, 2021 19:37:07 GMT
Said it b4,why dont more clubs go in 50/50 on new ground together. In theory - very sensible. In practice - who here would want to share a ground with Chelsea, Fulham or Brentford? It makes sense and I’d happily share with the Fools or the Bus Stops if it was a joint venture from scratch but they have their grounds and we can’t even find somewhere for our modest proposal to be built so never going to happen. |
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