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Post by BrightonR on Oct 12, 2021 5:53:45 GMT
I see Derby have appealed against their points deduction, claiming it was down to the pandemic. Going to be looked at by
a supposed independent arbitration panel.
Might as well have no rules at all if they get anything out of this.
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Post by coneysboots on Oct 12, 2021 7:41:15 GMT
What happened to the additional 9 point deduction they were due to get?
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 12, 2021 8:29:21 GMT
Derby (the administrators not the owners) have made the appeal based on covid. But they need to prove that it impacted them more so than the other 91 teams that managed to avoid administration. To my knowledge, they didn't defer wages or ask for reductions so I don't think they have a leg to stand on as they haven't done everything possible to lower costs.
Their other deductions (please do correct me if I am wrong) are suspended and will be applied next year. This is to avoid teams getting a deduction, and then admitting to other things and just getting a 1 off 50 (example number) point deduction. By suspending it, they can use it next year so they get impacted then as well, as likelyhood is the 12 points will be enough to relegate them this season, so no point adding more points to it.
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Post by Shania on Oct 12, 2021 10:12:16 GMT
Derby (the administrators not the owners) have made the appeal based on covid. But they need to prove that it impacted them more so than the other 91 teams that managed to avoid administration. To my knowledge, they didn't defer wages or ask for reductions so I don't think they have a leg to stand on as they haven't done everything possible to lower costs. Their other deductions (please do correct me if I am wrong) are suspended and will be applied next year. This is to avoid teams getting a deduction, and then admitting to other things and just getting a 1 off 50 (example number) point deduction. By suspending it, they can use it next year so they get impacted then as well, as likelyhood is the 12 points will be enough to relegate them this season, so no point adding more points to it.I very much doubt that as they are in fact one of the in-form teams in the division. They will also get Krystian Bielik back - imo, one of the best midfielders in this division. |
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 12, 2021 13:46:34 GMT
Derby (the administrators not the owners) have made the appeal based on covid. But they need to prove that it impacted them more so than the other 91 teams that managed to avoid administration. To my knowledge, they didn't defer wages or ask for reductions so I don't think they have a leg to stand on as they haven't done everything possible to lower costs. Their other deductions (please do correct me if I am wrong) are suspended and will be applied next year. This is to avoid teams getting a deduction, and then admitting to other things and just getting a 1 off 50 (example number) point deduction. By suspending it, they can use it next year so they get impacted then as well, as likelyhood is the 12 points will be enough to relegate them this season, so no point adding more points to it.I very much doubt that as they are in fact one of the in-form teams in the division. They will also get Krystian Bielik back - imo, one of the best midfielders in this division. Yeah, but games are about to come thick and fast so tiredness/injuries for them will be critical, seeing as they don't have many players. And aren't their CBs both over 35? |
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 12, 2021 14:54:21 GMT
If they get near survival they can hopefully get the extra 9 points then
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Post by Shania on Oct 12, 2021 17:52:33 GMT
I very much doubt that as they are in fact one of the in-form teams in the division. They will also get Krystian Bielik back - imo, one of the best midfielders in this division. Yeah, but games are about to come thick and fast so tiredness/injuries for them will be critical, seeing as they don't have many players. And aren't their CBs both over 35? Their thin squad is a worry for them, and yes, both their CB`s are old, but they(both) seem to play out of their skin. tiredness and injuries are clearly factors which work against them, no doubt about that. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Nov 9, 2021 18:43:20 GMT
Derby County appealing against their 12pt deduction blaming Covid for going into administration (despite the fact that 91 other clubs managed to stay solvent during that time).
Nothing to do with years of mismanagement and dodgy accounting practices leading up to Covid times...
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Post by West Acton on Nov 9, 2021 19:45:27 GMT
Derby County appealing against their 12pt deduction blaming Covid for going into administration (despite the fact that 91 other clubs managed to stay solvent during that time). Nothing to do with years of mismanagement and dodgy accounting practices leading up to Covid times... used to get extra penalty for pointless appeal |
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Post by acricketer on Nov 10, 2021 20:22:48 GMT
Derby County's administrators are set to reluctantly accept a heavy points deduction which will all but relegate the club to League One.
After weeks of talks with the Football League, Derby are close to agreeing another deduction of 9 points, plus a further suspended three points, for historical financial breaches under former owner Mel Morris.
This latest punishment will take their total penalty points to -21, which will put Derby on minus three points and leave them marooned at the bottom of the table with relegation from the Championship appearing inevitable.
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Post by Shania on Nov 10, 2021 20:48:21 GMT
Derby County's administrators are set to reluctantly accept a heavy points deduction which will all but relegate the club to League One.
After weeks of talks with the Football League, Derby are close to agreeing another deduction of 9 points, plus a further suspended three points, for historical financial breaches under former owner Mel Morris.
This latest punishment will take their total penalty points to -21, which will put Derby on minus three points and leave them marooned at the bottom of the table with relegation from the Championship appearing inevitable.
oh no, It`s not fair. Cough,cough  |
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Post by acricketer on Nov 10, 2021 22:23:42 GMT
Safe for another season!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 10:27:28 GMT
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Post by coneysboots on Nov 16, 2021 10:49:30 GMT
Another 9 point deduction for Derby. Dreadful shame!!
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 16, 2021 11:04:27 GMT
Another 9 point deduction for Derby. Dreadful shame!! I was saying to my Mrs this morning I’ve given up watching/reading the news as it’s too depressing. It’s not all bad though😂 |
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Post by BrightonR on Nov 16, 2021 11:18:31 GMT
Another 9 point deduction for Derby. Dreadful shame!! And they are not getting a winter break next season. Poor sods. Life can be so unfair. |
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Post by The General on Nov 16, 2021 18:48:32 GMT
Oh dear, Derby been done again now on -3 points
18 points adift of relegation doomed
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 16, 2021 20:20:33 GMT
On their site fans saying been robbed by the Efl and borugh owner.lol
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Nov 18, 2021 20:57:50 GMT
On their site fans saying been robbed by the Efl and borugh owner.lol Fookin wankers the lot of em 😁😁 |
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Post by West Acton on Dec 1, 2021 7:32:48 GMT
Thoughts?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 1, 2021 8:13:26 GMT
Great idea, why get hand outs if u fail
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 1, 2021 8:29:53 GMT
Has to be good idea. Removes the yo-yo prem clubs from championship and it becomes a fair league again with clubs forced to live within their means. |
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Post by acricketer on Dec 1, 2021 11:43:51 GMT
Hopefully we'll go up this season and the payments then continue for a few more years while agreement is reached!
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Post by Buffalo on Dec 1, 2021 12:03:00 GMT
Good idea but it depends on what they can do to address the huge gulf in finances between the PL and EFL. Something needs to be done as they have two separate governing bodies and different FFP rules. If you are a club moving down from the PL there has to be some allowance for the fact that you are committed to player contracts with high wages and your income has suddenly been drastically cut. If not parachute payments then what? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 1, 2021 12:11:54 GMT
Has to be good idea. Removes the yo-yo prem clubs from championship and it becomes a fair league again with clubs forced to live within their means. Why? The huge clubs won’t go down and have all the money power. The rest will have to sort themselves out for the better of rest of clubs and the game. The big 4-6 are in and always be different league. The rest have been inflated up to thinking their huge. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 1, 2021 14:51:45 GMT
Has to be good idea. Removes the yo-yo prem clubs from championship and it becomes a fair league again with clubs forced to live within their means. Why? The huge clubs won’t go down and have all the money power. The rest will have to sort themselves out for the better of rest of clubs and the game. The big 4-6 are in and always be different league. The rest have been inflated up to thinking their huge. The Championship becomes fairer(not the Prem) because you don’t have Prem budgets to enable you to get back up again. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 1, 2021 14:52:48 GMT
Good idea but it depends on what they can do to address the huge gulf in finances between the PL and EFL. Something needs to be done as they have two separate governing bodies and different FFP rules. If you are a club moving down from the PL there has to be some allowance for the fact that you are committed to player contracts with high wages and your income has suddenly been drastically cut. If not parachute payments then what? Tough. You went down, deal with it. |
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Post by Buffalo on Dec 1, 2021 15:59:42 GMT
Good idea but it depends on what they can do to address the huge gulf in finances between the PL and EFL. Something needs to be done as they have two separate governing bodies and different FFP rules. If you are a club moving down from the PL there has to be some allowance for the fact that you are committed to player contracts with high wages and your income has suddenly been drastically cut. If not parachute payments then what? Tough. You went down, deal with it. Fine but that just widens the gap between Championship and PL - any promoted club won't be able to sign any decent PL standard players because they won't be able to afford to sign any on a contract longer that a year, just in case they go down. It might just encourage clubs to gamble and spend big when they get there in the hope that they will stay up. If they don't they will end up in the EFL with massive overspend (sound familiar?). Then the EFL will likely fine them on top of that and we end up achieving the exact opposite of what FFP is all about. The whole thing is a mess. I think it would be a good idea to let the top PL teams have their way and break away to some nonsense European super-league, absorb the remaining PL teams into the EFL and just have a single English league structure. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Dec 1, 2021 16:40:30 GMT
If you remove parachute payments, the Premier League must be turned into a closed league. No small Championship team can afford to get promoted. You need to apply promotion.
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 1, 2021 16:45:35 GMT
Would The FA applying FFP rules across all UK leagues be a solution to ending parachute payments?
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