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Post by Tarbie on May 10, 2021 16:00:45 GMT
I could see that being true Corbs. Tony was clearly very hands on through of Austin's first stint with the club. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. I stand by my point that the club is in a better position with Fernandes adopting a "hands off" approach. Exactly. All we want is his money to keep the club afloat! But shut the fuck up!! 😀 Last time I checked, none of the money currently being spent is coming from Tony. And besides, since when has being willing to put money into a business made you necessarily qualified to run one?
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Post by Stanley75 on May 10, 2021 16:40:43 GMT
Exactly. All we want is his money to keep the club afloat! But shut the fuck up!! 😀 none of the money currently being spent is coming from Tony. TF owns 46% of the club and you say he's putting zero ££ in?
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Post by Tarbie on May 10, 2021 17:13:50 GMT
none of the money currently being spent is coming from Tony. TF owns 46% of the club and you say he's putting zero ££ in? No, Tune Group owns 46% of the club. Whether Tune Group is primarily funded by Fernandes' personal wealth or by Kamarudin Meranun's is debatable. It's always been speculated that Fernandes is more of a public face for a group of wealthy Malaysian businessmen who as a group own the club, and I certainly believe that is the case. I don't suppose we will ever know how much of the money put into the club over the last decade actually came from TF. It's also worth considering that all of Tune Group's business ventures outside of sport are linked to travel, aviation or tourism. As such, I would say it's fair to assume they aren't chucking much money about at the moment. It'll be interesting to see the next set of accounts, but I believe any external investment coming into the club at the moment is coming from Ruben Gnanalingam. The trend seems to be that Ruben puts money into the club on a kind of "IOU" basis. Then at some stage the debt is converted to shares, which basically means the existing shares of the club are diluted (i.e. Ruben's shareholding increases to the detriment of all the other owners shareholdings). Of course you can argue that this means TF and the Mittals are putting their money into the club still in a roundabout way, but in the reality the guy bankrolling everything is Ruben.
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Post by Corbray on May 10, 2021 17:34:08 GMT
TF owns 46% of the club and you say he's putting zero ££ in? No, Tune Group owns 46% of the club. Whether Tune Group is primarily funded by Fernandes' personal wealth or by Kamarudin Meranun's is debatable. It's always been speculated that Fernandes is more of a public face for a group of wealthy Malaysian businessmen who as a group own the club, and I certainly believe that is the case. I don't suppose we will ever know how much of the money put into the club over the last decade actually came from TF. It's also worth considering that all of Tune Group's business ventures outside of sport are linked to travel, aviation or tourism. As such, I would say it's fair to assume they aren't chucking much money about at the moment. It'll be interesting to see the next set of accounts, but I believe any external investment coming into the club at the moment is coming from Ruben Gnanalingam. The trend seems to be that Ruben puts money into the club on a kind of "IOU" basis. Then at some stage the debt is converted to shares, which basically means the existing shares of the club are diluted (i.e. Ruben's shareholding increases to the detriment of all the other owners shareholdings). Of course you can argue that this means TF and the Mittals are putting their money into the club still in a roundabout way, but in the reality the guy bankrolling everything is Ruben. not to discredit your point and i may be stating the obvious here lol. with whispers of FFP alledgedly being suspended for next season it does beg the question of heavier investment into the club though, either from ruben or the mittal's. financially we're in a solid position as we have a small wage budget and saleable assets in the squad. we've had a great season really and since the turn of the year are something like 3rd in the form table. you could argue that next season is our best chance at promotion and surely it lines up with the clubs years long vision of consolidation and progress. we know that if we bring in the 4 loan signings+make one or 2 other smart signings and hang onto our best players that we're more than capable of having a serious crack at promotion. that in its own right would be lucrative for our owners given the insane money from promotion and the prem. even without FFP being suspended i imagine our accounts FFP accounts are positive enough that we could afford to splash a bit of cash next season and keep our best players without putting ourselves in a hole ala derby/sheff wed. obviously we still have to be smart but stefan and austin don't look like the kind of guys to lazily collect a paycheck whilst giving no effort to the side and their wages could be offset from bonuses, like goals and promotion etc. right now our squad feels like its on the brink of actually achieving something which is the first time in years. as it stands we have top championship players in dieng, dickie, barbet, stefan, wallace, austin and chair with the likes of field, dykes, de wijs and willock looking like they have potential to really step it up next season. as long as we keep the squad we have and bring in a couple of players i honestly see us as genuine contenders for promotion next term.
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Post by Tarbie on May 10, 2021 17:52:55 GMT
I think we will spend money this summer Corbs. But I think it will be considered and sensible. I don't believe we will be paying transfer fees for players without potential for decent resale value, or paying huge wages. You have to remember that even if FFP is suspended or heavily relaxed for next season, we do still need be aware of the season or 2 that follow, as most players will be signed on 2 or 3 year deals. I also think that we will continue the ethos of building a sustainable club, regardless of what is happening with FFP.
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Post by West Acton on May 10, 2021 17:57:29 GMT
I don’t think I it’s worth breaking model in place if FFP is just suspended for one season as what happens season after if it’s reinforced and you’ve blown budget. Still got be sensible
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Post by rscot on May 10, 2021 18:24:00 GMT
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Post by rscot on May 10, 2021 18:26:54 GMT
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Post by Hitman34 on May 10, 2021 19:17:09 GMT
Ruperts facing the chop tonight. Re loans do we want em to stay up? Hate to say it but I guess we do..... Absolutely. Every QPR fan should be cheering them on!! 😅 Not a chance in hell. i hope they plummet, go bankrupt and cease to exist.
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Post by Tarbie on May 10, 2021 19:41:39 GMT
I suppose there could be merit in bringing Taylor in for a year on a free to split left back responsibilities with Wallace. I'd much sooner we brought in a younger left back though. Bit of a risk when both your left backs are 32/33 years old with a few serious injuries in their past.
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Post by rscot on May 10, 2021 19:59:52 GMT
I suppose there could be merit in bringing Taylor in for a year on a free to split left back responsibilities with Wallace. I'd much sooner we brought in a younger left back though. Bit of a risk when both your left backs are 32/33 years old with a few serious injuries in their past. That’s what I was thinking, but that’s been a couple of rumours lately regarding a left-back / wing-back. If there’s anything in them, it must mean that MW don’t fancy Nico for the position next season and will probably want to loan him out.
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Post by Tarbie on May 10, 2021 20:02:55 GMT
I suppose there could be merit in bringing Taylor in for a year on a free to split left back responsibilities with Wallace. I'd much sooner we brought in a younger left back though. Bit of a risk when both your left backs are 32/33 years old with a few serious injuries in their past. That’s what I was thinking, but that’s been a couple of rumours lately regarding a left-back / wing-back. If there’s anything in them, it must mean that MW don’t fancy Nico for the position next season and will probably want to loan him out. Nico has been a disappointment. I don't think and ageing Wallace and him is enough.
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Post by rscot on May 10, 2021 20:11:17 GMT
He looks ok going forward but suspect defensively. Maybe a season loan will help him improve, he has been in and out the team. He needs to be playing regularly at a decent level to improve.
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Post by rscot on May 10, 2021 20:45:43 GMT
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Post by West Acton on May 10, 2021 21:10:40 GMT
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Post by Stanley75 on May 10, 2021 21:18:41 GMT
Absolutely. Every QPR fan should be cheering them on!! 😅 Not a chance in hell. i hope they plummet, go bankrupt and cease to exist. I'd prefer not to cut off my nose to spite my face. If them staying up results in us being able to by SJ it's an absolute no brainer to me. I couldn't give a flying fluck about them not getting relegated, in that scenario.
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Post by rscot on May 10, 2021 21:32:56 GMT
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Post by rscot on May 10, 2021 21:44:07 GMT
Would you take £12 million for Chair? I personally think he could do with another season at QPR before he is better prepared for the step up.
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Post by acricketer on May 10, 2021 22:57:20 GMT
Would you take £12 million for Chair? I personally think he could do with another season at QPR before he is better prepared for the step up. I'd keep him for another year. He started to show much more consistency towards the last third of the season. Another season with us would add another couple of million to his fee.
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Post by Tarbie on May 10, 2021 23:19:11 GMT
Not sure I can take these big money rumours about Chair that seriously. Good player in there but, he's a rough diamond. If 12m quid was genuinely on the table for him, I'm sure we'd sell him.
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Post by James1979 on May 11, 2021 7:08:54 GMT
Yeah be sad to see him go. But 12m? We’d have to take that.
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Post by West Acton on May 11, 2021 7:54:01 GMT
Yep if your offered £12mil you take their hand off. Like Chair but he does frustrate
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 11, 2021 8:04:17 GMT
Bnm do whole chair sets for a ton,just saying.
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Post by alanwycombe on May 11, 2021 9:00:07 GMT
If 12m keeps Austin and Stefan and we get top six it's a no-brainer.
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Post by acricketer on May 11, 2021 9:06:50 GMT
If 12m keeps Austin and Stefan and we get top six it's a no-brainer. That is the case if we get the ££ and the owners use it..
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Post by West Acton on May 11, 2021 13:24:03 GMT
If 12m keeps Austin and Stefan and we get top six it's a no-brainer. devils advocate is it backwards step selling a kid to fund two aging players of which there will be no resale value and only way of making money back on them is via promotion which is not a given?? I remember the days of fans crying we need kids. Personal view is there has to be a balance
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Post by rscot on May 11, 2021 13:30:14 GMT
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Post by Stanley75 on May 11, 2021 13:36:44 GMT
If 12m keeps Austin and Stefan and we get top six it's a no-brainer. devils advocate is it backwards step selling a kid to fund two aging players of which there will be no resale value and only way of making money back on them is via promotion which is not a given?? Nothing is a given in life, apart from death and taxes. And in answer to your question, it's not necessarily a backwards step. It all depends on how you manage your risk. Warbs knows that every good team needs a healthy mix of youth and experience, which you have said too.
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Post by Corbray on May 11, 2021 13:54:43 GMT
If 12m keeps Austin and Stefan and we get top six it's a no-brainer. devils advocate is it backwards step selling a kid to fund two aging players of which there will be no resale value and only way of making money back on them is via promotion which is not a given?? I remember the days of fans crying we need kids. Personal view is there has to be a balance i don't know whether selling chair is the answer tbh. i think he will have a great season next year as this year was him finally stepping into the side and out of eze's shadow. we sold eze when it was clear that he was far too good for us and this division and that was the right choice for both parties but i think chair can be a much better player than he was this season and thus go for even more. as for stefan and charlie, they have 2-4 years left in them roughly but we saw first hand what they brought to the team. they fired us up, are leaders on the pitch and seem great to have round the dressing room. our younger players no doubt learned a lot from them which makes it worth it imo. if we can get them in on decent wages and stefan for >3m then that would be great business regardless of the selling on stuff
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Post by rscot on May 11, 2021 14:07:38 GMT
I think the team need someone who can give them a boost, someone to lift them to the next level. QPR need JET 🚀
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