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Post by sparks on Feb 5, 2023 17:27:13 GMT
Not trying to elbow my way into your quote to Lymehoop West Acton but how many times have you seen Armstrong pass to teamate when in a shooting position?
Yesterday was the first time for me, if anything I would be prepared to bet you £5 to a penny wager once he finds his feet and is playing with confidence both you and me will be saying what a selfish greedy so and so Armstrong is.
In yesterdays game he also had a run and shot from a narrow angle on the left side which the Keeper parried where perhaps he could have passed.
If there is one thing I’ve said all along about Armstrong is he has good shooting ability.
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Post by West Acton on Feb 5, 2023 17:57:34 GMT
Ask away Sparks no problem at all with that 👍🏽
Think he done same Sunderland away when he came on. Probably little bit of confidence played into yesterday as he’s had decent game time without scoring so perhaps played safe. If he squares it properly and chair scores he’s a hero.
I just think a striker shoots that position passing it don’t even enter his head.
He needs a goal desperately hopefully gets on against Millwall.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 5, 2023 18:15:13 GMT
Arnt strikers supposed to be greedy and predatory as their only job is to score.
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Post by sparks on Feb 5, 2023 18:17:04 GMT
Ask away Sparks no problem at all with that 👍🏽 Think he done same Sunderland away when he came on. Probably little bit of confidence played into yesterday as he’s had decent game time without scoring so perhaps played safe. If he squares it properly and chair scores he’s a hero. I just think a striker shoots that position passing it don’t even enter his head. He needs a goal desperately hopefully gets on against Millwall. I don’t remember him shirking a chance to shoot at Sunderland but I could well be wrong.Here’s the offy match report which describes how he should have squared a pass but elected to shoot instead. I definitely agree he should have put his laces through it yesterday without thinking. www.qpr.co.uk/fixtures/first-team/2022/sunderland-v-queens-park-rangers/ |
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Post by sparks on Feb 5, 2023 18:17:28 GMT
Arnt strikers supposed to be greedy and predatory as their only job is to score. The best ones are. |
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Post by lymehoop on Feb 5, 2023 19:13:15 GMT
that first touch of his forced him to go wide and the option to shoot was lost. Poor pass to Chair though. Where we stand at the moment financially, the Armstrongs in this World, is the market we are in, sadly
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Post by jfrabbit on Feb 6, 2023 8:01:49 GMT
Just a lump it appears.
Blows out too quickly and has a shocking touch.
Think this proves he is way way off this level of football as it stands.
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Post by Shania on Feb 6, 2023 8:43:36 GMT
Imo, he is unpolished, but a talent nontheless. Also Like Sparks mentioned, his shooting ability is good. Balance and rhytme are what he is missing, but so do the other in the squad at the moment also.
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Post by sparks on Feb 6, 2023 9:27:51 GMT
Just a lump it appears. Blows out too quickly and has a shocking touch. Think this proves he is way way off this level of football as it stands. There’s more to him than being a lump, he does looks too be muscle bound, a bit like when Frank Bruno was boxing. Still expect him to be a decent player though once he gains more experience. |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 6, 2023 11:17:37 GMT
different player but what I've seen of Lloyd suggests he has a better touch = more composure.
you aint going anywhere as a striker without that.
Not saying Alfie is the answer, because the fact is we have no strikers as per. But I think he needs a game at this level.
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Post by sparks on Feb 6, 2023 11:32:20 GMT
When you say a player ain’t going anywhere without a better touch there’s evidence to say players like Andre Gray did ok with a poor first touch Hal.
Armstrong close ball control whilst he’s sprinting is poor but from a stationary point his first touch is good in comparison.
Ferdinand was all all about pace power and having a great leap, I don’t think he was too comfortable with the ball either.
Armstrong has had just 350mins mainly as a sub, I’m prepared to reserve writing him off at this point as he’s twice the player Dykes is already if his fitness is improved.
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Post by Corbray on Feb 6, 2023 11:38:35 GMT
i think its harsh to write off a 19yo after so soon. he's certainly not the finished artical but he has pace and power plus isn't as bad with the ball as some make out.
there's a whole host of reasons why he's not scored yet, the main one is probably just nerves and overthinking/not thinking quickly enough but these are issues that resolve with more game time and maturity.
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 6, 2023 11:42:32 GMT
When you say a player ain’t going anywhere without a better touch there’s evidence to say players like Andre Gray did ok with a poor first touch Hal. Armstrong close ball control whilst he’s sprinting is poor but from a stationary point his first touch is good in comparison. Ferdinand was all all about pace power and having a great leap, I don’t think he was too comfortable with the ball either. Armstrong has had just 350mins mainly as a sub, I’m prepared to reserve writing him off at this point as he’s twice the player Dykes is already if his fitness is improved. kind of agree with that but a few things aren't adding up yet with Armstrong, and like I said before he reminds of Washington - plenty of effort but no composure and no end product whatsoever. At this level I think you do need more. More to the point, would you bring Alfie back? We're not really playing for anything and we're relatively safe, so why not see what he can do? |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 6, 2023 11:44:45 GMT
i think its harsh to write off a 19yo after so soon. he's certainly not the finished artical but he has pace and power plus isn't as bad with the ball as some make out. there's a whole host of reasons why he's not scored yet, the main one is probably just nerves and overthinking/not thinking quickly enough but these are issues that resolve with more game time and maturity. People have played for their country at that age. In good sides as well. Dont be blinded by pace and power. These days, at this level, it just isn't enough. |
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Post by West Acton on Feb 6, 2023 11:47:29 GMT
Would great if next season Armstrong and Alfie hit it off as a partnership
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 6, 2023 11:49:20 GMT
Would great if next season Armstrong and Alfie hit it off as a partnership hope so because we still wont have 9 anywhere near LR by then. |
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Post by sparks on Feb 6, 2023 11:51:54 GMT
When you say a player ain’t going anywhere without a better touch there’s evidence to say players like Andre Gray did ok with a poor first touch Hal. Armstrong close ball control whilst he’s sprinting is poor but from a stationary point his first touch is good in comparison. Ferdinand was all all about pace power and having a great leap, I don’t think he was too comfortable with the ball either. Armstrong has had just 350mins mainly as a sub, I’m prepared to reserve writing him off at this point as he’s twice the player Dykes is already if his fitness is improved. kind of agree with that but a few things aren't adding up yet with Armstrong, and like I said before he reminds of Washington - plenty of effort but no composure and no end product whatsoever. At this level I think you do need more. More to the point, would you bring Alfie back? We're not really playing for anything and we're relatively safe, so why not see what he can do? No I wouldn’t bring him back, I’ve already said he was not a stand out player in any games in the U21 that I watched, I did complement him on this board somewhere on his ability to hold the ball up despite having a slight body frame.All of the goals he scored with us were tap ins and nothing like his clip on Twitter. Armstrong in hindsight should have gone out on loan but I’m sure Beale said he wanted him to stay to work on his weaknesses. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Feb 6, 2023 12:03:17 GMT
Just a lump it appears. Blows out too quickly and has a shocking touch. Think this proves he is way way off this level of football as it stands. There’s more to him than being a lump, he does looks too be muscle bound, a bit like when Frank Bruno was boxing. Still expect him to be a decent player though once he gains more experience. Yes that's why I put 'as it stands' because that's where he is now. |
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Post by sparks on Feb 6, 2023 12:11:18 GMT
For me it’s so much easier and fair to blood youngsters when the team is reasonably successful and stable, Armstrong career so far has blighted by repeated injuries both here and on loan , stamina issues and being thrown in as our saviour.
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Post by jfrabbit on Feb 6, 2023 12:15:38 GMT
For me it’s so much easier and fair to blood youngsters when the team is reasonably successful and stable, Armstrong career so far has blighted by repeated injuries both here and on loan , stamina issues and being thrown in as our saviour. Totally agree. Needs a settled loan somewhere. |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 6, 2023 12:30:45 GMT
i think its harsh to write off a 19yo after so soon. he's certainly not the finished artical but he has pace and power plus isn't as bad with the ball as some make out. there's a whole host of reasons why he's not scored yet, the main one is probably just nerves and overthinking/not thinking quickly enough but these are issues that resolve with more game time and maturity. People have played for their country at that age. In good sides as well. Dont be blinded by pace and power. These days, at this level, it just isn't enough. people are also late bloomers at his age. jamie vardy was still in the NL at 24(?) for example. harry kane was struggling on leicesters bench at 20 years old too. i don't think armstrong will be a late bloomer and think he just needs time to develop and get used to the standard of this league. torquey and aldershot fans were raving about him last season as one of the best players they've had on loan in a long time. his pace and power is what impresses me the most as i've seen in a few games recently were he's come on and made a difference and scared defenders. he's just lacking that final little bit in the box and is overthinking a bit too much, his wayward pass to chair is a great example of that but its something he will learn on. he's probably come into the team feeling like he's ready to dominate this level of football but clearly he's had a bit of a reality check. |
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Post by lymehoop on Apr 23, 2023 10:58:56 GMT
I know some are not convinced about him, but boy, he gets my juices flowing  |
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Post by Corbray on Apr 23, 2023 11:04:21 GMT
i'm a big big fan of his. he has every physical attribute needed to be a prem player imo, the only thing he's lacking is some shooting boots. he's only 19 so he has a lot of time to develop but i'm very confident he'll be a regular prem player by the time he's 24
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 23, 2023 11:07:29 GMT
I know some are not convinced about him, but boy, he gets my juices flowing 😱 |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 23, 2023 11:14:21 GMT
I hope it comes good for him.
Watching yesterday I actually think Ainsworth type of play might suit him more than Warburton and Beale as he’s not a technically good player his strength is his speed, physical presence and work rate.
When they threw it up the channels to chase he caused problems and he will get plenty of those opportunities under Ainsworth. Dare I say big man Dykes small man Armstrong could be quite effective under current manager.
You saw the two sides of him yesterday the enthusiasm to make defender panic from his effort but same time through on goal can’t get ball under control and manages to not only blow the opportunity but give away a foul and get himself booked.
Such a raw talent with potential (more then Kelman or Smyth) hope he comes out the right side.
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Post by Bill on Apr 23, 2023 11:29:30 GMT
Pace frightens defenders
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 23, 2023 11:44:52 GMT
I hope it comes good for him. Watching yesterday I actually think Ainsworth type of play might suit him more than Warburton and Beale as he’s not a technically good player his strength is his speed, physical presence and work rate. When they threw it up the channels to chase he caused problems and he will get plenty of those opportunities under Ainsworth. Dare I say big man Dykes small man Armstrong could be quite effective under current manager. You saw the two sides of him yesterday the enthusiasm to make defender panic from his effort but same time through on goal can’t get ball under control and manages to not only blow the opportunity but give away a foul and get himself booked. Such a raw talent with potential (more then Kelman or Smyth) hope he comes out the right side. Huffing and puffing and getting amongst them is good, but being unable to control the football suggests the raw talent bit might be a bit stretched. He looks like he wants it though, and that's a start. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 23, 2023 11:45:51 GMT
Pace frightens anyone over 35 |
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Post by awin on Apr 23, 2023 11:47:08 GMT
He just needs to break his duck and get his first goal and after that I think he will be a lot less rushed.
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Post by spongeparr on Apr 23, 2023 12:55:38 GMT
He just needs to break his duck and get his first goal and after that I think he will be a lot less rushed. I agree with this. Seems too keen in many ways. Either that or he's just not good with a football and will be like a Traore whereby he's quick and stron but will offer zero else. |
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