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Post by West Acton on Sept 25, 2023 15:13:19 GMT
Good points from hubs on if service is better so will their stats be for both.
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Post by sparks on Sept 25, 2023 15:21:41 GMT
You can agree to whatever you want, no one is convincing me that Dykes is a average striker , he’s fucking shit mate. That's an opinion which many will agree with and many won't. All everyone is asking is that you don't ignore facts and at the moment it is factually correct to say that he is our most likely striker to score. As much as it pains me to say - and I imagine it hits you harder- he is the best we have upfront at the moment. Your doing an awful lot of writing about knowing everybody’s opinion on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 15:26:27 GMT
That's an opinion which many will agree with and many won't. All everyone is asking is that you don't ignore facts and at the moment it is factually correct to say that he is our most likely striker to score. As much as it pains me to say - and I imagine it hits you harder- he is the best we have upfront at the moment. Your doing an awful lot of writing about knowing everybody’s opinion on here. We've hit the stage where you have criticised somebody for saying that some people would agree with you and some wouldn't which is where I bid you a good rest of the day. |
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Post by sparks on Sept 25, 2023 15:28:25 GMT
Your doing an awful lot of writing about knowing everybody’s opinion on here. We've hit the stage where you have criticised somebody for saying that some people would agree with you and some wouldn't which is where I bid you a good rest of the day. 👍 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 25, 2023 22:15:04 GMT
I/we have answered it. But just to be clear - Lyndon Dykes, as shit as he is for QPR, has a less shit scoring ratio than Sinclair Armstrong and, as we know, goal scoring is ultimately what strikers are judged on. You are taking that as me criticising Armstrong, which I'm not, because I have made very clear that he is a young player who is still learning and developing and I very much hope that continues so he can start banging them in for us on a more regular basis. I didn't. They were not from last season. I already said they are Armstrong's stats for this season. And re Ainsworth - that was a totally separate debate on a separate thread. If some are now going to use goals per min as a gauge to judge ability there’s very little difference between the 2 as there is less than one game and a half between them. i prefer to use my eyes to judge a player rather than stats. Finally ,Not my idea of being fair to suggest to disregard any of Ainsworth stats and then for you to post Armstrongs irrespective of it being a different thread. It's perfectly fair because I was referring to Armstrong's stats for this season, as I was with Ainsworth; and not referring to last season's stats for either of them. It doesn't look like we'll ever see eye to eye over this though Sparks. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 25, 2023 23:28:04 GMT
The problem with the service argument, for both our strikers, is that both are capable of missing from six yards out as one did recently and the other has done on numerous occasions. Service is a valid point, being decent in front of goal is another.
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Post by West Acton on Sept 26, 2023 6:41:19 GMT
But only fair on both to have half a chance of scoring because team creates plentiful opportunities. Perhaps they both judged harsher for the misses because of how few chances we get.
Armstrong miss against Swansea was awful but a striker in another side probably thinks I will get couple more chances today to make amends for us your probably thinking that’s the opportunity of the match.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Sept 26, 2023 8:36:38 GMT
But only fair on both to have half a chance of scoring because team creates plentiful opportunities. Perhaps they both judged harsher for the misses because of how few chances we get. Armstrong miss against Swansea was awful but a striker in another side probably thinks I will get couple more chances today to make amends for us your probably thinking that’s the opportunity of the match. It’s definitely not helping Armstrong. He’s still cutting his teeth so to speak and only having the odd chance here and there means he’s more likely to snatch at them or make the wrong decision. He’s then dwelling on that mistake until the next game so it can only harm his confidence. If he’s was getting a hatfull of chances a game he’d have much more chance of nicking a goal and boosting his confidence, which we all know is key for a striker. |
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Post by West Acton on Sept 26, 2023 9:24:28 GMT
But only fair on both to have half a chance of scoring because team creates plentiful opportunities. Perhaps they both judged harsher for the misses because of how few chances we get. Armstrong miss against Swansea was awful but a striker in another side probably thinks I will get couple more chances today to make amends for us your probably thinking that’s the opportunity of the match. It’s definitely not helping Armstrong. He’s still cutting his teeth so to speak and only having the odd chance here and there means he’s more likely to snatch at them or make the wrong decision. He’s then dwelling on that mistake until the next game so it can only harm his confidence. If he’s was getting a hatfull of chances a game he’d have much more chance of nicking a goal and boosting his confidence, which we all know is key for a striker. that’s what I was thinking and same applies for Dykes. |
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Post by acricketer on Sept 30, 2023 20:48:02 GMT
Talentless prick. "Boo hoo, I didn't get a penalty!".. "I know I'll get a yellow instead"
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 30, 2023 20:57:43 GMT
Used properly today, for the last 20.
He's shown right now he's not a starter unfortunately.
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 30, 2023 23:07:20 GMT
Needs to grow up.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 1, 2023 7:16:08 GMT
As we said about him walking off round the pitch last home game he’s petulant.
You could see as soon as he never got decision he was going fly in get booked. He’s young so Maybe at this stage you can make an excuse for that but he then can’t make another challenge in game do he’s more or less put handcuff on how he can play rest of game.
Think he will start midweek against Leeds.
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Post by awin on Oct 1, 2023 9:43:59 GMT
Used properly today, for the last 20. He's shown right now he's not a starter unfortunately. He’s a pacy winger that puts in a decent cross. Think we should start playing him in his natural position. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 11, 2023 14:44:26 GMT
Several 'journalist' (ie, not just random IDKs) stories on the Twattersphere today about QPR being 'Close to agreeing a long term deal with Sinclair Armstrong...'
OK, that seems like a good thing.
But then the authors claim this is '...amidst interest from Crystal Palace, Celtic and [wait for it...] MANCHESTER EFFIN' CITY!!!"
FFS, where do these clowns get their info from!?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 14:47:17 GMT
Several 'journalist' (ie, not just random IDKs) stories on the Twattersphere today about QPR being 'Close to agreeing a long term deal with Sinclair Armstrong...' OK, that seems like a good thing. But then the authors claim this is '...amidst interest from Crystal Palace, Celtic and [wait for it...] MANCHESTER EFFIN' CITY!!!" FFS, where do these clowns get their info from!? Isn't that recycled articles from 2 years ago? |
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 11, 2023 17:13:02 GMT
Several 'journalist' (ie, not just random IDKs) stories on the Twattersphere today about QPR being 'Close to agreeing a long term deal with Sinclair Armstrong...' OK, that seems like a good thing. But then the authors claim this is '...amidst interest from Crystal Palace, Celtic and [wait for it...] MANCHESTER EFFIN' CITY!!!" FFS, where do these clowns get their info from!? Isn't that recycled articles from 2 years ago? Described as '20 year old striker', so not unless he's 22... (I'm pretty sure he's 20). |
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 11, 2023 17:17:47 GMT
...and:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 17:36:53 GMT
He's got an agent with a good sense of humour! |
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Post by Bill on Nov 6, 2023 20:34:29 GMT
Leave Sinclair you are not appreciated by some fans,strange really.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 7:14:56 GMT
Leave Sinclair you are not appreciated by some fans,strange really. He is appreciated for what he is... |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Nov 7, 2023 7:58:25 GMT
Clean slate for him under Marti, like everyone else. For what it's worth I think, if given the chance, with this new style of football Sinclair could flourish.
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Post by Bill on Nov 7, 2023 8:01:23 GMT
Leave Sinclair you are not appreciated by some fans,strange really. He is appreciated for what he is... Like Dykes eh? Let me see young Has pace Has strength Has power Handfull of games in a crap team with a crap coach. Say no more. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 8:22:42 GMT
He is appreciated for what he is... Like Dykes eh? Let me see young Has pace Has strength Has power Handfull of games in a crap team with a crap coach. Say no more. The problem is that his chief advocates proclaim him as something akin to a Clive Allen and his main detractors proclaim him as useless. The truth, which most fans see, is somewhere in the middle and he is appreciated for being a young player who may have potential. Anything more or less than that is absurd. |
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Post by sparks on Nov 7, 2023 9:05:03 GMT
Like Dykes eh? Let me see young Has pace Has strength Has power Handfull of games in a crap team with a crap coach. Say no more. The problem is that his chief advocates proclaim him as something akin to a Clive Allen and his main detractors proclaim him as useless. The truth, which most fans see, is somewhere in the middle and he is appreciated for being a young player who may have potential. Anything more or less than that is absurd. First striker to emerge out of our U18s since Gallen, are we not allowed to be excited by him? Ive always praised him for his abilities in U21 football but I don’t remember anyone comparing him to Allen.Look at the praise Bonner getting for one performance, but to be honest I don’t honestly feel he was that good on Saturday, he’s played much better in the U21s a few times imo. I get that fans have been frustrated for a year or so but I found it pretty low hearing some of the derogatory stuff said about Armstrong. Then there’s the numpties saying Dykes is better although he’s been utter shite for 3 and half seasons. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 9:15:35 GMT
The problem is that his chief advocates proclaim him as something akin to a Clive Allen and his main detractors proclaim him as useless. The truth, which most fans see, is somewhere in the middle and he is appreciated for being a young player who may have potential. Anything more or less than that is absurd. First striker to emerge out of our U18s since Gallen, are we not allowed to be excited by him? Ive always praised him for his abilities in U21 football but I don’t remember anyone comparing him to Allen.Look at the praise Bonner getting for one performance, but to be honest I don’t honestly feel he was that good on Saturday, he’s played much better in the U21s a few times imo. I get that fans have been frustrated for a year or so but I found it pretty low hearing some of the derogatory stuff said about Armstrong. Then there’s the numpties saying Dykes is better although he’s been utter shite for 3 and half seasons. We don't need to recycle the Dykes/Armstrong arguments as we both know that although the stats firmly support the fact that Dykes is more likely to score than Armstrong it always descends into very subjective areas and entrenched views. Its pointless. No one is saying don't get excited about a youngster breaking through the ranks, it's a QPR tradition we should be embracing. The problem is putting a ceiling on praise or criticism and both sides of that debate have been very guilty of hyperbolic nonsense at times. Excessive praise or criticism will only result in his career being affected for the worse so the best way forwards is to admit he's young, may have potential, is a bit rough around the edges but needs our encouragement. |
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Post by sparks on Nov 7, 2023 9:28:10 GMT
First striker to emerge out of our U18s since Gallen, are we not allowed to be excited by him? Ive always praised him for his abilities in U21 football but I don’t remember anyone comparing him to Allen.Look at the praise Bonner getting for one performance, but to be honest I don’t honestly feel he was that good on Saturday, he’s played much better in the U21s a few times imo. I get that fans have been frustrated for a year or so but I found it pretty low hearing some of the derogatory stuff said about Armstrong. Then there’s the numpties saying Dykes is better although he’s been utter shite for 3 and half seasons. We don't need to recycle the Dykes/Armstrong arguments as we both know that although the stats firmly support the fact that Dykes is more likely to score than Armstrong it always descends into very subjective areas and entrenched views. Its pointless. No one is saying don't get excited about a youngster breaking through the ranks, it's a QPR tradition we should be embracing. The problem is putting a ceiling on praise or criticism and both sides of that debate have been very guilty of hyperbolic nonsense at times. Excessive praise or criticism will only result in his career being affected for the worse so the best way forwards is to admit he's young, may have potential, is a bit rough around the edges but needs our encouragement. We will never come to an agreement on Dykes being anything other than a Donkey. Very noticeable that from the Fantasy Island Fanbase only Bil, Corbray and Hubble and myself have tried to openly defend Armstrong, I have a truck and trailer stacked high with large helpings of humble pie ready for his detractors. Fucking amazing that so many punters who havnt said too much on Armstrong but are so quick to praise and get stuck up Colback and poxy Fox’s ring piece. |
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Post by Bill on Nov 7, 2023 9:35:27 GMT
Like Dykes eh? Let me see young Has pace Has strength Has power Handfull of games in a crap team with a crap coach. Say no more. The problem is that his chief advocates proclaim him as something akin to a Clive Allen and his main detractors proclaim him as useless. The truth, which most fans see, is somewhere in the middle and he is appreciated for being a young player who may have potential. Anything more or less than that is absurd. Crap 2 weeks ago now he has potential. Fickle to put it mildly. Who likened him to Clive Allen once in a lifetime player. #cluthing at straws. |
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Post by Bill on Nov 7, 2023 9:40:03 GMT
First striker to emerge out of our U18s since Gallen, are we not allowed to be excited by him? Ive always praised him for his abilities in U21 football but I don’t remember anyone comparing him to Allen.Look at the praise Bonner getting for one performance, but to be honest I don’t honestly feel he was that good on Saturday, he’s played much better in the U21s a few times imo. I get that fans have been frustrated for a year or so but I found it pretty low hearing some of the derogatory stuff said about Armstrong. Then there’s the numpties saying Dykes is better although he’s been utter shite for 3 and half seasons. We don't need to recycle the Dykes/Armstrong arguments as we both know that although the stats firmly support the fact that Dykes is more likely to score than Armstrong it always descends into very subjective areas and entrenched views. Its pointless. No one is saying don't get excited about a youngster breaking through the ranks, it's a QPR tradition we should be embracing. The problem is putting a ceiling on praise or criticism and both sides of that debate have been very guilty of hyperbolic nonsense at times. Excessive praise or criticism will only result in his career being affected for the worse so the best way forwards is to admit he's young, may have potential, is a bit rough around the edges but needs our encouragement. U turn time Change like the wind and parliament. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 9:43:19 GMT
We don't need to recycle the Dykes/Armstrong arguments as we both know that although the stats firmly support the fact that Dykes is more likely to score than Armstrong it always descends into very subjective areas and entrenched views. Its pointless. No one is saying don't get excited about a youngster breaking through the ranks, it's a QPR tradition we should be embracing. The problem is putting a ceiling on praise or criticism and both sides of that debate have been very guilty of hyperbolic nonsense at times. Excessive praise or criticism will only result in his career being affected for the worse so the best way forwards is to admit he's young, may have potential, is a bit rough around the edges but needs our encouragement. We will never come to an agreement on Dykes being anything other than a Donkey. Very noticeable that from the Fantasy Island Fanbase only Bil, Corbray and Hubble and myself have tried to openly defend Armstrong, I have a truck and trailer stacked high with large helpings of humble pie ready for his detractors. Fucking amazing that so many punters who havnt said too much on Armstrong but are so quick to praise and get stuck up Colback and poxy Fox’s ring piece. "Dykes is a donkey" is a subjective opinion. There's defending Armstrong from unfair criticism - which is noble - and then there's elevating him to a position he hasn't earned, which clearly isn't noble. And 'humble pie for his detractors'? No-one wants Armstrong to fail so what that would be is 'I told you so' not humble pie, and that's never a great characteristic to be honest although I do understand the temptation to indulge in it on occasions... I've not seen what I would call excessive praise of Colback or Fox to be fair but I have seen excessive displays of faith, praise AND criticism in and of Armstrong and none of it is good for the kid. I know you don't normally like to see facts being presented when it comes to Armstrong but here they are: He is 20 years old. He has scored 1 goal in the Football League and 4 in the National League. He has scored 1 goal for every 1,390 minutes he has been on the pitch for QPR. He is powerful He has a presence on the pitch He is faster than he looks When you look at those facts it is easy to see why he generates such a wild difference of opinions but, as I said, there's no reason to entrench ourselves in the extremes of those debates. He has potential - though it isn't the greatest we've ever seen emerge at QPR - and we all wish him well. I'm sure we can all agree on that. |
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