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Post by West Acton on Nov 7, 2023 11:53:33 GMT
agree but the youngster surely has to be ready to contribute and add value? (Not directed at muscles talking about youngsters overall) Sure, so let’s find out. Play them. No good? Get rid. this is where we will differ then as imo you’re either ready to play in the first team or you're not. I personally don’t think at this level you can say you can have a go today see how you get on and if you’re ready or not! it’s not the development team it’s the first team. Being in the first team should come with element of expectation. We clearly have different views on expectations of what gets you in the first team as a kid. I can see someone getting in who is ready + has potential to grow but not someone who simply has potential. Rooney was ready, Owen was ready, Milner was Ready, Bellingham was ready all for first team football and they made an impact and contributed to the outcome of games. We’re going off topic now and this possibly sits better in the Youth Team thread. Interesting subject by the way. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 7, 2023 12:08:03 GMT
Ok, to get back on topic when I was saying give Armstrong a chance it was because Donkey had no competition and a kid coming in might have shaken him up a bit. I had no idea whether Armstrong was real deal or not. We had no one else.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Nov 7, 2023 12:47:40 GMT
No coincidence that our longest player threads are Dykes and Armstrong. They must have something in common.
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Post by Bill on Nov 7, 2023 16:39:50 GMT
Strike/Bill, What would you deem success for Armstrong over the remainder of this season and over the next 2? Hopefully we will find out,new coach,correct position,a bit of confidence,arm round him etc. I will refuse to criticise him until he has had a good chance in a team that is together and performing well. Players like Rooney Owen come along once in a blue moon so the comparison is unfair in the extreme |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 16:53:45 GMT
Strike/Bill, What would you deem success for Armstrong over the remainder of this season and over the next 2? Hopefully we will find out,new coach,correct position,a bit of confidence,arm round him etc. I will refuse to criticise him until he has had a good chance in a team that is together and performing well. Players like Rooney Owen come along once in a blue moon so the comparison is unfair in the extreme I think we should set more tangible targets to decide whether he's making progress or not to be honest. |
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Post by sparks on Nov 7, 2023 17:21:16 GMT
Hopefully we will find out,new coach,correct position,a bit of confidence,arm round him etc. I will refuse to criticise him until he has had a good chance in a team that is together and performing well. Players like Rooney Owen come along once in a blue moon so the comparison is unfair in the extreme I think we should set more tangible targets to decide whether he's making progress or not to be honest. Of all the posts made today I think Croydoncaptainjack has described in detail how Armstrong has demonstrated that his game is certainly improving. The only sticking point for some is refusing to acknowledge it and using Donkey as an example of being a better alternative OldR. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 18:21:13 GMT
I think we should set more tangible targets to decide whether he's making progress or not to be honest. Of all the posts made today I think Croydoncaptainjack has described in detail how Armstrong has demonstrated that his game is certainly improving. The only sticking point for some is refusing to acknowledge it and using Donkey as an example of being a better alternative OldR. We're discussing Sinclair Armstrong, not Lydon Dykes so if you would like to keep it relevant please 👍 |
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Post by Bill on Nov 7, 2023 21:32:31 GMT
Of all the posts made today I think Croydoncaptainjack has described in detail how Armstrong has demonstrated that his game is certainly improving. The only sticking point for some is refusing to acknowledge it and using Donkey as an example of being a better alternative OldR. We're discussing Sinclair Armstrong, not Lydon Dykes so if you would like to keep it relevant please 👍 Maybe try reading the thread from way back and there is points and discussion about Dykes and Armstrong so it is relevant. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 23:33:12 GMT
We're discussing Sinclair Armstrong, not Lydon Dykes so if you would like to keep it relevant please 👍 Maybe try reading the thread from way back and there is points and discussion about Dykes and Armstrong so it is relevant. There are moments when comparisons have been natural within this thread and other occasions when the debate has been shoehorned in... this was obviously the latter. I get it some people hate Lydon Dykes but the way they go on you'd think they caught him in bed with their wife and he made them film it and wipe him off afterwards... |
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Post by Shania on Nov 17, 2023 17:53:08 GMT
Fwiw, SA with an assist for Irland U-21 against Norway U-21 in the first half. He is playing ok so far.
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Post by Shania on Nov 17, 2023 18:14:38 GMT
Sinclair A. just scored a very tasty goal for Irland. 1-2.
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Post by sparks on Nov 17, 2023 19:13:19 GMT
One of the very few times Sinclair has been seen to head the ball.
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Post by 72bus on Nov 17, 2023 20:29:20 GMT
Caught offside numerous times tonight
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 17, 2023 20:36:51 GMT
Maybe try reading the thread from way back and there is points and discussion about Dykes and Armstrong so it is relevant. There are moments when comparisons have been natural within this thread and other occasions when the debate has been shoehorned in... this was obviously the latter. I get it some people hate Lydon Dykes but the way they go on you'd think they caught him in bed with their wife and he made them film it and wipe him off afterwards... If he scored a fucking goal occasionally I might forgive him |
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Post by Bill on Nov 17, 2023 21:25:59 GMT
Caught offside numerous times tonight Maybe ball not being played early enough,pace is what he has got. |
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Post by hubble on Nov 18, 2023 11:46:41 GMT
How we miss a player like Iregbunam, who could pass forward for someone like Armstrong to run onto.
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Post by Bill on Nov 18, 2023 12:35:36 GMT
Think Chair could and should do this but often dwells on the ball to long and often no end product.
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Post by hubble on Nov 18, 2023 12:56:12 GMT
Think Chair could and should do this but often dwells on the ball to long and often no end product. Well, I think Chair needs to be focused more on attacking defences and scoring, Bill. It's the 'midfield maestro' role where we're really lacking, someone who pulls the strings. I think Dozzell is meant to be that man, but he rarely delivers. When Johansen still had legs he was bloody good at it too.
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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 19, 2023 22:28:31 GMT
How we miss a player like Iregbunam, who could pass forward for someone like Armstrong to run onto. Not got a peep at Villa this season. Real shame while we have to endure Colback's late tackles and out of position football. |
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Post by Shania on Nov 21, 2023 19:41:59 GMT
Scored again for NI against Italy.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 21, 2023 20:23:51 GMT
I think you mean RoI Shania?
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Post by Shania on Nov 21, 2023 20:30:22 GMT
 Yes, of course. Argh. My bad. Thank you for yet another reminder.
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Post by Bill on Nov 21, 2023 22:32:33 GMT
Scored again for NI against Italy. Not good enough for us though. |
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Post by acricketer on Nov 21, 2023 23:39:22 GMT
22 against 11 will always create chances. No wonder he scored.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 9:56:00 GMT
I think you mean RoI Shania? And the U21 team too! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 9:56:52 GMT
Scored again for NI against Italy. Not good enough for us though. It was an U21 match Bill for the record. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Dec 20, 2023 8:51:00 GMT
Just a lump it appears. Blows out too quickly and has a shocking touch. Think this proves he is way way off this level of football as it stands. From February and unfortunately doesn't appear to have improved very much despite his limited appearances. |
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 20, 2023 9:51:07 GMT
My opinion of him hasn't changed once since the first time I saw him kick a ball. Needs at least a full season out on loan somewhere he'll play every week!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 10:02:32 GMT
My opinion of him hasn't changed once since the first time I saw him kick a ball. Needs at least a full season out on loan somewhere he'll play every week! He's got an Irish passport so could head over to Scandinavia if MC can get him a gig somewhere. Could do him the World of good. |
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Post by MattyRangers on Dec 20, 2023 10:05:30 GMT
Was evidently clear at Sheff his all round football intelligence really isnt there. Just his body position when it comes to him receiving the ball with his back to goal holding off a defender etc, really poor. He is a bit of a 1 trick pony in wanting to simply get in behind in a foot race (which is great as 9 times out of 10 he will win it!) - but even then he doesnt have any end product with it as he is so unthreatening when he gets to shooting.
So frustrating as with his natural attributes, he could be a right handful. Not sure you can teach that finishing instinct too much though (obviously you can work on it), but you either have that in you or don't. Agree with Tarbs above, I reckon him getting a year out on loan playing week in week out (even abroad tbh rather than the rough & tumble of lower English leagues) could do him wonders.
Feel for him a bit as there is enhanced pressur eon him from us due to our only other striker being dog shit.
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Yes, of course. Argh. My bad. Thank you for yet another reminder.
