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Post by Tarbie on Feb 8, 2022 22:17:57 GMT
I still wonder where Marco Ramkilde is? He is a striker and would be a useful player to have in the squad. This one I don't get. He was given another year in the summer, yet hasn't been in the match day squad once that I can recall. Guessing he must be on absolute buttons so wasn't any harm in giving him another year to try and re-find the promise he had before his injuries. |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 8, 2022 22:24:21 GMT
And there are good reasons our income is modest: ie lower media rights income, parachute payments done, average attendance. That's the way it will stay for us as a championship club. However there are other models: Norwich for example. re FFP. To do a Derby for example we would have to significantly overspend, not offload and not go up. No one is suggesting a significant overspend. What I'm saying is that there is a middle ground between doing nothing and doing a Derby. And at the moment, we seem relatively content with doing nothing. But that's just it, there isn't middle ground between getting fined and not getting fined. Warburton was clear we have used up the budget, Hoos said at the fans forum it would need to be loans in Jan. We already invested a lot - relative to our budget in the summer - AND THIS LEFT VIRTUALLY NO MONEY LEFT TO SPEND IN JANUARY. But there is a massive middle ground in terms of the sanction that can be applied: see Reg 92 of the EFL rules. So the level of fine has to be proportionate: in some cases a warning is deemed sufficient. A Derby scenario only kicks in when there has been serious abuse of the regs. Source: www.sportslawbulletin.org/the-perilous-state-of-efl-club-finances-a-review-of-the-derby-county-and-sheffield-wednesday-cases/All of these things surely have to be factored in when trying to fathom out what is a sensible business plan, given our situation. The truth is there are risks attached whatever way you look at this and that includes doing nothing beyond the business we actually did. |
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 8, 2022 22:30:04 GMT
Don't be daft Hal. Given our history with the authorities, particularly with regards to FFP, why would you want to give them an excuse to punish us again? Best thing we can do is keep our noses clean. Astounds me that anyone in their right mind would say otherwise.
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Post by Bill on Feb 9, 2022 9:56:24 GMT
Don't be daft Hal. Given our history with the authorities, particularly with regards to FFP, why would you want to give them an excuse to punish us again? Best thing we can do is keep our noses clean. Astounds me that anyone in their right mind would say otherwise. See reg 92 of the EFL rules |
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Post by Bill on Feb 9, 2022 10:01:02 GMT
My thoughts too Cricks. Get a bit fed up with people sticking the knife in given how good Warburton and the board have been in the transfer market the last few seasons. There are plenty of things I think we could do better at QPR but I don't have too many complaints about our transfer policy at the moment. We are consistently putting together competitive squads on an absolute shoestring budget. Sticking the knife in bit over dramatic to say the least.Nobody sticking the knife in just think a forward was the priority and they did not deliver. Just an opinion. The end |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 9, 2022 10:07:26 GMT
Don't be daft Hal. Given our history with the authorities, particularly with regards to FFP, why would you want to give them an excuse to punish us again? Best thing we can do is keep our noses clean. Astounds me that anyone in their right mind would say otherwise. Like I said earlier, I see owning a football club as a massive gamble in its own right. Everything is a risk, and as Swiss Rambler's last set of QPR accounts and analysis demonstrated, doing nothing would also appear to be unsustainable. It's a loop: spend less, see revenues fall, spend less etc etc. That's where we are. Just because we've had a decent run on a poundland budget this year doesn't mean its going to happen again, and if it doesn't happen again we're stuck in that loop. |
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Post by Shania on Feb 9, 2022 10:46:30 GMT
Derby will now probably get away with what they have done, but as far as QPR are concerned I very much doubt we can much wrong without getting heavily punished for it. That`s why I feel we have to enjoy the flirt with promotion this year and hope for more of the same in the future.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 9, 2022 10:54:39 GMT
Riveting debate this thread, I must say. Best one we've had for a while.
I can definitely see both sides of the argument, even though they're currently quite polarised. It's clearly more of a nuanced issue than some seem to think.
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Post by Corbray on Feb 9, 2022 11:09:19 GMT
brentford and norwich have both proven that you don't need to spend big to go up nor is it the end of the world if you sell your best players.
if we go up then we keep our best players, strengthen the team (in preparation for coming back down is my guess) and crack at it again. if we don't go up then we sell our best players for $$$ and STILL strengthen the team by reinvesting the cash back into the team wisely.
the spine of our team is dieng, dunne, dickie, johansen, chair, willock and dykes but there's no chance we'd sell all of those if we didn't go up. we'd end up selling 3 or maybe 4 and would just sign replacements.
it wouldn't be the end of the world if we didn't go up nor would we be in an insecure position unlike other teams like derby and bristol who've gambled on going all out for promotion without having a backup plan incase it didn't happen. derby signed expensive players on big wages which made it impossible for them to shift them on to other clubs, our players were all signed on the cheap with low wages so selling them wouldn't be an issue.
i'm not worried about the clubs future if we don't go up. we could have gone out in jan and brought in some "names" and gambled on promotion but then what? we'd have overspent and undone all our hard work in balancing the books.
whatever happens this season we'll still be a contender next season even with selling players imo. potential signings will see us as a stable club who're in the promotion mix that have a reputation for developing players.
look no further than brentford's model on how to achieve promotion and to build a squad the right way. they went from signing diamonds in the rough to bringing in the likes of pontus jansen etc. it works.
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Post by Bill on Feb 9, 2022 12:14:11 GMT
Does not matter what people think or say,i will stick to my guns.
A great chance for promotion and the financial rewards that go with it.
This sort of chance does not present itself every season,so go grab it while you can,a moderate outlay on our prime requirement would have been prudent and wise.
Like others on here not bothered to much about Premier League more aboyt the money and the stability of the club i have folliowed since 1962
and my uncles,great uncles before that.
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 9, 2022 13:16:09 GMT
Mine and Bill’s opinion has been blown out of all proportion and some comments are way off. We’re not saying spend millions and put the club in jeopardy but it beggars belief that we couldn’t attract a striker - most likely a loan - for the rest of the season given the great position we are in. Most people agree we need one except perhaps those who think that one decent game recently from Dykes solves the problem. The view that we’ll be ok next season is complacent and will likely bite us on the arse. I believe the Sanderson signing was planned and very necessary. Marshall was forced upon us - I don’t think for a moment that we expected to be in for a keeper - that screwed things up no doubt, yet there was still money for another midfielder. Could be that Willock is considered the answer having failed to get a striker in.
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Post by Rangers77 on Feb 9, 2022 13:34:05 GMT
Go up and buy people like that vile cat abuser and I'm off. Stick with people like Uncle, Willock, Stefan etc.
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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 9, 2022 13:44:59 GMT
Go up and buy people like that vile cat abuser and I'm off. Stick with people like Uncle, Willock, Stefan etc. Bang on mate Leave the overpaid parasites where they are. Don’t need nor want any animal abusers at our club. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 9, 2022 13:52:50 GMT
Its really very simple. Our budget for signings for the season is x - its all relative to income. We were right up against that budget. Prolific strikers cost serious wedge. We couldn't afford it. I'm sure most people on here have seen a car or a house they wanted - or perhaps been presented with an exciting business opportunity - but if you have spent several sleepless nights trying to re-jigg the maths, raided the piggy bank and maxed out the credit card, sometimes you have to accept you can't do it. Its funny how people who would never dream of being reckless with their own money expect football owners to act like a drunk in a casino. And then stand by for the abuse (not saying from any one here) said owner would get on social media when the next massive fine comes in wrecking our prospects for another five years.
The other thing: there is never an end to this "we just need one more piece of the jigsaw" stuff. Man City have spent hundreds of millions but their fans are up in arms they haven't managed to buy a world class striker. Fans always want more. In the summer no one could quite believe we would get Stefan, Charlie, Jordi and Sam on permanents. Well we did, and we also got in a premier league striker in Andre Gray as well as Dozzell for a million odd and Odubajo. We went all in then. When you go all in once, how are you expected to go all in a second time? What with?
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Post by Corbray on Feb 9, 2022 14:02:02 GMT
Go up and buy people like that vile cat abuser and I'm off. Stick with people like Uncle, Willock, Stefan etc. could form a great team though. zouma at the back with mendy as RB, adam johnson on the wing, robinho pulling the strings in AM and spearheaded by greenwood up front. queens park rapists fc |
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Post by West Acton on Feb 9, 2022 14:44:27 GMT
Its really very simple. Our budget for signings for the season is x - its all relative to income. We were right up against that budget. Prolific strikers cost serious wedge. We couldn't afford it. I'm sure most people on here have seen a car or a house they wanted - or perhaps been presented with an exciting business opportunity - but if you have spent several sleepless nights trying to re-jigg the maths, raided the piggy bank and maxed out the credit card, sometimes you have to accept you can't do it. Its funny how people who would never dream of being reckless with their own money expect football owners to act like a drunk in a casino. And then stand by for the abuse (not saying from any one here) said owner would get on social media when the next massive fine comes in wrecking our prospects for another five years. The other thing: there is never an end to this "we just need one more piece of the jigsaw" stuff. Man City have spent hundreds of millions but their fans are up in arms they haven't managed to buy a world class striker. Fans always want more. In the summer no one could quite believe we would get Stefan, Charlie, Jordi and Sam on permanents. Well we did, and we also got in a premier league striker in Andre Gray as well as Dozzell for a million odd and Odubajo. We went all in then. When you go all in once, how are you expected to go all in a second time? What with? amen good points well made |
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 9, 2022 14:59:33 GMT
Go up and buy people like that vile cat abuser and I'm off. Stick with people like Uncle, Willock, Stefan etc. could form a great team though. zouma at the back with mendy as RB, adam johnson on the wing, robinho pulling the strings in AM and spearheaded by greenwood up front. queens park rapists fcGetting a bit Jimmy Carr there... |
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Post by 1qprdk on Feb 9, 2022 15:17:51 GMT
Meow
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 9, 2022 15:29:10 GMT
Go up and buy people like that vile cat abuser and I'm off. Stick with people like Uncle, Willock, Stefan etc. Willock, Field, Dunne could easily blossom and if they get you there they deserve a chance. I don’t think anyone would be expecting us to challenge anywhere near the top. |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 9, 2022 17:17:05 GMT
Its really very simple. Our budget for signings for the season is x - its all relative to income. We were right up against that budget. The problem is that having stuck to our guns budget wise we're still loosing money hand over fist and we can't afford to go on doing that indefinitely. That's why so many EFL clubs are fucked financially - you get no monetary reward for being mediocre, the media dosh sucks and gate money is hardly spectacular. This is absolutely not a no brainer debate. It's about how you run a business in a pretty mental context (ie the insane imbalance in revenue in the top two divisions). All FFP does is help sustain the status quo, its even got the point now where its helped create a new one ie those regularly involved in the championship / prem parachute cycle. But the rights and wrongs of FFP is another debate. Finally Happy Birthday. Hope things just get better and better over the next few hours.......... |
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Post by acricketer on Feb 11, 2022 23:53:39 GMT
I am starting to seriously doubt our ability to make the playoffs. We rarely dominate teams and look rigid in our set up. We lack quality in more you than 2 or 3 positions. Our strikers are mediocre and our defence is fragile and prone to mistakes.
I predicted we would be 4th. I'm changing that to 8th. We are taking libertys and will be found out.
Our principle rivals for promotion will overwhelm us. Barnsley will beat us and reveal our true situation.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Feb 12, 2022 6:41:35 GMT
I am starting to seriously doubt our ability to make the playoffs. We rarely dominate teams and look rigid in our set up. We lack quality in more you than 2 or 3 positions. Our strikers are mediocre and our defence is fragile and prone to mistakes. I predicted we would be 4th. I'm changing that to 8th. We are taking libertys and will be found out. Our principle rivals for promotion will overwhelm us. Barnsley will beat us and reveal our true situation. That's the spirit 🙄 |
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Post by Greg1882 on Feb 12, 2022 7:37:03 GMT
I am starting to seriously doubt our ability to make the playoffs. We rarely dominate teams and look rigid in our set up. We lack quality in more you than 2 or 3 positions. Our strikers are mediocre and our defence is fragile and prone to mistakes. I predicted we would be 4th. I'm changing that to 8th. We are taking libertys and will be found out. Our principle rivals for promotion will overwhelm us. Barnsley will beat us and reveal our true situation. Doubt it all you want. This form has been going on for over a Calendar year. Across 2 seasons. That’s not a flash in the pan, it’s not going to go away or tail off. We’re a good side |
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Post by 1qprdk on Feb 12, 2022 8:32:47 GMT
I am starting to seriously doubt our ability to make the playoffs. We rarely dominate teams and look rigid in our set up. We lack quality in more you than 2 or 3 positions. Our strikers are mediocre and our defence is fragile and prone to mistakes. I predicted we would be 4th. I'm changing that to 8th. We are taking libertys and will be found out. Our principle rivals for promotion will overwhelm us. Barnsley will beat us and reveal our true situation. Doubt it all you want. This form has been going on for over a Calendar year. Across 2 seasons. That’s not a flash in the pan, it’s not going to go away or tail off. We’re a good side Ageed, Greg. Think cricks is trying a bit of reverse psychology on our form and the Barnsley game. |
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Post by James1979 on Feb 12, 2022 9:56:49 GMT
I am starting to seriously doubt our ability to make the playoffs. We rarely dominate teams and look rigid in our set up. We lack quality in more you than 2 or 3 positions. Our strikers are mediocre and our defence is fragile and prone to mistakes. I predicted we would be 4th. I'm changing that to 8th. We are taking libertys and will be found out. Our principle rivals for promotion will overwhelm us. Barnsley will beat us and reveal our true situation. I’m still saying 2nd and will be 2nd by mid-week. Nice simple 2-0 today. And a tough 2-1 win mid week. Believe…..it’s going to happen. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 12, 2022 10:26:53 GMT
Think cricks is trying a bit of reverse psychology How dare he play such mind games. That might work in the dressing room but not on RFI! 😅 |
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Post by West Acton on Feb 12, 2022 11:10:25 GMT
I am starting to seriously doubt our ability to make the playoffs. We rarely dominate teams and look rigid in our set up. We lack quality in more you than 2 or 3 positions. Our strikers are mediocre and our defence is fragile and prone to mistakes. I predicted we would be 4th. I'm changing that to 8th. We are taking libertys and will be found out. Our principle rivals for promotion will overwhelm us. Barnsley will beat us and reveal our true situation. I’m still saying 2nd and will be 2nd by mid-week. Nice simple 2-0 today. And a tough 2-1 win mid week. Believe…..it’s going to happen. I still think top two is on for a few teams. It’s not about pretty football now it’s about results and consistency. Think we have shown we can grind out results (wins and draws) when not playing to our optimum; can we now do that for another three months? Hopefully we click and get back to some dominant performances rewarded with results |
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Post by Bill on Feb 12, 2022 12:54:42 GMT
Got to get max points from games like today and wall midweek
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 12, 2022 13:48:00 GMT
I’m still saying 2nd and will be 2nd by mid-week. Nice simple 2-0 today. And a tough 2-1 win mid week. Believe…..it’s going to happen. I still think top two is on for a few teams. It’s not about pretty football now it’s about results and consistency. Think we have shown we can grind out results (wins and draws) when not playing to our optimum; can we now do that for another three months? Hopefully we click and get back to some dominant performances rewarded with results The form of Boro and Forest concerns me a bit. |
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Post by Bill on Feb 12, 2022 17:11:00 GMT
After that display and result today me to.
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