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Post by hubble on Mar 23, 2022 12:42:16 GMT
Afternoon folks, good to be back. My thoughts on this situation are this: Warburton clearly has some good ideas and is, at his best, capable of putting out a well-drilled, attacking team that can take on pretty much anyone in this league. However, he is also clearly limited in his tactical abilities and decision making, and seems easily overwhelmed when circumstances turn against us. A decent manager at this level, but not good enough to take us up.
Then again, we don't have the squad to take us up either. This is partly due to Warburton, but mainly, of course, due to the limited finances available. I think the key point is: is there anyone out there who could do a better job, with the same budget? I'm not sure there is. If/when we are free from the fall-out of the FFP limitations, that will be the time to get someone else in. The trouble is, his poor/baffling decision making - playing Hendrick instead of Amos, for example, has cost us loyal fans the excitement we should have had with being in the play-offs. And that sucks.
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Post by acricketer on Mar 23, 2022 13:21:51 GMT
Don't know how to post the image of it without saving it somewhere. on QPR fans FB page, 17 want Warburton out and 311 want to keep him. It's not our poll though is it?! |
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Post by 1qprdk on Mar 23, 2022 15:06:59 GMT
Don't know how to post the image of it without saving it somewhere. on QPR fans FB page, 17 want Warburton out and 311 want to keep him. It's not our poll though is it?! Just made one 😇 |
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Post by spongeparr on Mar 23, 2022 16:52:45 GMT
Don't know how to post the image of it without saving it somewhere. on QPR fans FB page, 17 want Warburton out and 311 want to keep him. It's not our poll though is it?! I know, just providing wider context of feeling that's all. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Mar 23, 2022 17:02:50 GMT
Afternoon folks, good to be back. My thoughts on this situation are this: Warburton clearly has some good ideas and is, at his best, capable of putting out a well-drilled, attacking team that can take on pretty much anyone in this league. However, he is also clearly limited in his tactical abilities and decision making, and seems easily overwhelmed when circumstances turn against us. A decent manager at this level, but not good enough to take us up. Then again, we don't have the squad to take us up either. This is partly due to Warburton, but mainly, of course, due to the limited finances available. I think the key point is: is there anyone out there who could do a better job, with the same budget? I'm not sure there is. If/when we are free from the fall-out of the FFP limitations, that will be the time to get someone else in. The trouble is, his poor/baffling decision making - playing Hendrick instead of Amos, for example, has cost us loyal fans the excitement we should have had with being in the play-offs. And that sucks. Good to see you back Hubs, hope life’s been treating you well. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Mar 23, 2022 17:43:52 GMT
I'm very happy for Warbs to stay on - he's had the team over-performing for most of the season so far on VERY limited means, with a bad injury list, juggling players three several weeks of AFCON and a necessarily limited January transfer window.
For those who want to see Warbs gone, well, name names - just who do you think would come in, work on a similar budget and get us promoted?
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 23, 2022 19:39:35 GMT
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 23, 2022 19:46:20 GMT
If/when we are free from the fall-out of the FFP limitations, that will be the time to get someone else in. Doesn't look like that's gonna happen anytime soon, Hubs. If anything they'll be getting even more stringent: rfantasyisland.boards.net/post/100535/threadWelcome back btw  |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 23, 2022 20:05:32 GMT
Wow, what happened to the criticism of him slotting Chair straight back in when we had played really well during AFCON and the signing of a pointless midfielder to upset the balance of the team and demote others like Amos? If we moan about his shortcomings but want to keep him because there is no one else we can’t complain when we’re in the same or worse position next season. Don’t moan about tippy tappy back and across possession obsessed football because he isn’t going to change. Don’t expect two up or lots of stunning passes to put a striker in on goal. And I doubt it will be another below par wide open division.
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 20:16:58 GMT
I’m glad I’m not the only fecker still seething over what’s occurred over the past 2 months Alan.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 23, 2022 20:30:04 GMT
I’m glad I’m not the only fecker still seething over what’s occurred over the past 2 months Alan. Sparks. It’s worse when you don’t give a fuck anymore |
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Post by acricketer on Mar 23, 2022 20:35:46 GMT
You gotta say we have been very predictable from the outset and as has already been said elsewhere eventually teams have worked out how to stop us. Warbs needs to rethink how we set up, mix it up a bit. If he changes good for us and him. If he persists with no improvement I think it's time for him to move on.
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Post by The General on Mar 23, 2022 20:40:05 GMT
Afternoon folks, good to be back. My thoughts on this situation are this: Warburton clearly has some good ideas and is, at his best, capable of putting out a well-drilled, attacking team that can take on pretty much anyone in this league. However, he is also clearly limited in his tactical abilities and decision making, and seems easily overwhelmed when circumstances turn against us. A decent manager at this level, but not good enough to take us up. Then again, we don't have the squad to take us up either. This is partly due to Warburton, but mainly, of course, due to the limited finances available. I think the key point is: is there anyone out there who could do a better job, with the same budget? I'm not sure there is. If/when we are free from the fall-out of the FFP limitations, that will be the time to get someone else in. The trouble is, his poor/baffling decision making - playing Hendrick instead of Amos, for example, has cost us loyal fans the excitement we should have had with being in the play-offs. And that sucks. Excellent post this |
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Post by Bill on Mar 23, 2022 20:43:56 GMT
MW is probably cheap compared to some other managers at this level.
This will without doubt come into the equation.
Who could we get if he were sacked,not many realistic targets that would be same money, would want to come,and be considerably better.
Warburton is ok but stubborn,tactically slow and totally illogical in his decision making and way to cautious imo.
So who could we get,i am struggling and i am not a MW fan.
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 23, 2022 20:48:25 GMT
Warbs needs to rethink how we set up, mix it up a bit. Do you think he's capable of that? Based on the evidence so far how optimistic can you be that he is? We'd all love him to prove us wrong, of course. For the record, I voted to keep him on til the end of the season and reassess from there. |
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Post by Shania on Mar 23, 2022 20:50:37 GMT
I can`t imagine Mark Warburton under any circumstances would accept being sacked. |
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 21:10:49 GMT
I can`t imagine Mark Warburton under any circumstances would accept being sacked. It was odd that the blue noses claim MW resigned but to this day he said “why would anyone resign at G Rangers” |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 23, 2022 22:20:02 GMT
I’m glad I’m not the only fecker still seething over what’s occurred over the past 2 months Alan. [br Too many mixed messages on this subject. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 23, 2022 22:40:24 GMT
Warbs needs to rethink how we set up, mix it up a bit. Do you think he's capable of that? Based on the evidence so far how optimistic can you be that he is? We'd all love him to prove us wrong, of course. For the record, I voted to keep him on til the end of the season and reassess from there. Posted on another thread that Fulham will be interesting. If we turn up and give them a game, great (can’t really say I’m expecting us to win), but if we aren’t up for it I don’t see how he stays. I get all the arguments about keeping him because there’s no one else but he won’t take us further. Shania’s suggestion of Farke would be worth looking at. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Mar 23, 2022 22:53:39 GMT
If he persists with Sanderson over Barbet and Hendrick over ANYONE I think even his most die hard supporters will struggle to stick by him.
His tinkering of tactics, line up’s and adding players we absolutely did not need has completely upset the apple cart and he needs to realise that like yesterday.
I’m expecting nothing out of the Fulham game but what I’d oddly be happy with is a line up that makes sense and us giving it a proper good go.
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Post by Bill on Mar 23, 2022 23:10:14 GMT
Second thoughts sack him
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Post by Rangers77 on Mar 24, 2022 0:21:58 GMT
If he persists with Sanderson over Barbet and Hendrick over ANYONE I think even his most die hard supporters will struggle to stick by him. His tinkering of tactics, line up’s and adding players we absolutely did not need has completely upset the apple cart and he needs to realise that like yesterday. I’m expecting nothing out of the Fulham game but what I’d oddly be happy with is a line up that makes sense and us giving it a proper good go. I will boo the fuck out of him if they appear, in any capacity, against Fulham. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 24, 2022 0:59:31 GMT
I will boo the fuck out of him if they appear, in any capacity, against Fulham. The fans booed on Sunday. Warbs didn't seem to understand they were booing him, his selections and his tactics, more than the players. Why does he think they booed his substitutions so much? You do wonder if/when the penny will drop with him. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Mar 24, 2022 9:16:02 GMT
Booing was the most enjoyable part of the day.
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Post by Shania on Mar 24, 2022 10:46:28 GMT
I voted sack him now. But I didn`t excatly like it. However; having seen so many of the similar signs in Warburton`s tenure that sent so many of our former managers out of the job, I can`t really support his odd substitutions and set-ups any longer.
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 24, 2022 12:09:39 GMT
Is there any evidence that MW has been on just as poor a run in the past, learned from his mistakes by changing his approach (the crucial bit), then succeeded in turning things around? If someone could produce that it would be easier, for me at least, to have a bit more hope and faith in the man.
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Post by Corbray on Mar 24, 2022 12:31:36 GMT
Is there any evidence that MW has been on just as poor a run in the past, learned from his mistakes by changing his approach (the crucial bit), then succeeded in turning things around? If someone could produce that it would be easier, for me at least, to have a bit more hope and faith in the man. well since coming in he's rebuilt the side and adapted to losing some of our best players like hugill, well and notably, eze. we started out with a 4231/433 and eventually adopted 3 at the back. even earlier on in the season when we played barnsley at home he changed it up when we went 2-0 down and we eventually drew 2-2. he has adapted but most of the time its taken him a while to change his philosophy. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 24, 2022 12:35:15 GMT
Is there any evidence that MW has been on just as poor a run in the past, learned from his mistakes by changing his approach (the crucial bit), then succeeded in turning things around? If someone could produce that it would be easier, for me at least, to have a bit more hope and faith in the man. well since coming in he's rebuilt the side and adapted to losing some of our best players like hugill, well and notably, eze. we started out with a 4231/433 and eventually adopted 3 at the back. even earlier on in the season when we played barnsley at home he changed it up when we went 2-0 down and we eventually drew 2-2. he has adapted but most of the time its taken him a while to change his philosophy. All very true, Corbs mate, but you've not really answered my question. |
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Post by Corbray on Mar 24, 2022 12:45:23 GMT
well since coming in he's rebuilt the side and adapted to losing some of our best players like hugill, well and notably, eze. we started out with a 4231/433 and eventually adopted 3 at the back. even earlier on in the season when we played barnsley at home he changed it up when we went 2-0 down and we eventually drew 2-2. he has adapted but most of the time its taken him a while to change his philosophy. All very true, Corbs mate, but you've not really answered my question. we weren't playing 3 at the back until late december 2020 when we switched up to 3 at the back after we'd been on an abysmal run of something like 11 games without a win. when we switched to 3 at the back we picked up some crucial victories and started putting in some solid performances, that was a turning point for many of us i'm sure. he hasn't done everything right and if he was a perfect manager he'd be in charge of man city rather than us lol. but he has done a great job in his time here however you choose to view his spell. thats why for me there's enough good will based on his achievements with us that we shouldn't just pull the trigger and get rid, it'd be very harsh to do so imo. by all means reevaluate at the end of the season and if performances are still shit then get rid of him. |
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Post by Shania on Mar 24, 2022 12:50:30 GMT
He does`t seem to change his approch at all. With him at helm the club would need to buy a lot of players who has to be very,very good tactically . And those would not come cheap in today`s market. That`s why I want a new manager to assess the squad and it`s weaknesses ahead of the next transfer window.
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