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Post by The General on Apr 6, 2022 12:35:44 GMT
Naming a team sheet for two games without a striker shows signs of losing the plot.
Prob fallen out with Les , i got a vibe on that when les did his interview and said he refused a striker
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Post by jfrabbit on Apr 6, 2022 12:36:49 GMT
Agree Rabbit. He's become the Tinkerman hasn't he? Can't quite get the logic in the prior post. Give him 4-5 years? I mean does that point still stand if he doesn't win another game this season? And frankly, I could honestly see that happening if he stays here. Clearly something is very badly amiss and has been since Xmas. Surprised so many fans can't see it! He most certainly has become a tinkerman unfortunately Tarbs. I know we all think we’re managers and have strong opinions but hand on heart I genuinely have not spoken or heard from one fan, not even one to say we needed a CB & a CM. Not one. It just wasn’t positions we needed to add to. We absolutely needed a forward due to the 3 clowns we have as so called strikers. Look at their stats for the season, shocking! How he not only allowed us to go into the most important part of the season criminally short up front but also alienated our own players who got us to the top 3 by bombing them for players who we don’t even own and who frankly have been shit! Hendrick I’ve no doubt must be a good player. Lots of PL & international experience but it just hasn’t worked with us. We were a terrible fit yet he’s insistence on playing him is bewildering. What’s happened to poor old Dom Ball? The only genuine player we have who gets stuck in, breaks up play and is as honest as the days come. Players like him must be seeing this and saying thanks a fucking bunch gaffer. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 6, 2022 12:39:56 GMT
Would still keep him here long term, at least 4-5 seasons, IF we are not in any danger to go down to League One. There is no possibility for him to change the course this season anymore as all players and staff have lost their confidence in the manager and are depressed. However, summer, new signings and preseason and we are fighting for playoffs again. No more short term thinking for me at this club. Fixed that for you. 🙊 |
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 6, 2022 12:40:29 GMT
I think the way they tried to oust Dom Ball and managed to oust De Wiijs is probably a big factor in why some of the players have stopped playing for the Manager. Totally messed with morale and compounded it by selecting 2 garbage players ahead of guys that have earned the right to start.
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Post by jfrabbit on Apr 6, 2022 12:43:17 GMT
And had so many opportunities to put that right yet hasn’t.
Says a lot about him and yes will only breed contempt towards him from other players who surely can see it’s been poor decision making.
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 6, 2022 12:49:27 GMT
John Terrys looking for a job 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Might be a cunt,but sort our defence out proper Would definitely be a cunt if he took the job bearing in mind the stick we’ve given him, especially at Villa a few years ago when you could see he very nearly considered coming over the barrier😁 Absolutely no pride in himself if he took a job here. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 6, 2022 12:58:34 GMT
A moot point anyway as he'd never be offered it, surely?
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 6, 2022 14:34:55 GMT
So effectively he's out of contract end of season, right? Which means the board decided not to buy him out post Posh. They basically gave up all hope of a massive income hike right there.
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Post by sparks on Apr 6, 2022 14:55:28 GMT
If Westwood is uncomfortable to act as a sweeper like Seny does would this suggest that our whole formation will have to sit deeper and allow teams like Sheff Utd last night to pin us back without the ball.
Is this what MW is alluding to in his post match interviews.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Apr 6, 2022 15:17:46 GMT
I don't care if we lose all remaining games. This season isn't important anymore. I'm pretty sure players blame themselves more than their manager.
We were poor yesterday but we also made Sheffield U poor. They only had one shot at goal. BTW my non-league team scored exactly similar goal in 1981. We trained that previous week.
Warburton is still only manager who has kept us in top six in nearly 10 years. And he has been good everywhere he has managed.
You underestimate the injury of Willock and Dieng. Willock played 3-4 games half fit before his injury got too bad! Dieng never made mistakes like Marshall. Wasn't it that free kick goal which started our bad form?
Getting Hendrick was a big mistake but who would have known that in advance? Probably our owners were behind that signing anyway.
Who or where is that striker which was supposed to be better what we already have? Remember we were top three scorer end of January so scoring wasn't our obvious problem.
If we sack him now I fear we will be much poorer next 10 years with 4-5 different managers. Will probably be relegated to League One with our budget.
I'm confident we will have success with him.
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 6, 2022 16:18:21 GMT
Perfectly entitled to your opinion but just one thing - he changed the team before Willock got injured. He didn’t change things because of injury.
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Post by Bill on Apr 6, 2022 16:21:36 GMT
I don't care if we lose all remaining games. This season isn't important anymore. I'm pretty sure players blame themselves more than their manager. We were poor yesterday but we also made Sheffield U poor. They only had one shot at goal. BTW my non-league team scored exactly similar goal in 1981. We trained that previous week. Warburton is still only manager who has kept us in top six in nearly 10 years. And he has been good everywhere he has managed. You underestimate the injury of Willock and Dieng. Willock played 3-4 games half fit before his injury got too bad! Dieng never made mistakes like Marshall. Wasn't it that free kick goal which started our bad form? Getting Hendrick was a big mistake but who would have known that in advance? Probably our owners were behind that signing anyway. Who or where is that striker which was supposed to be better what we already have? Remember we were top three scorer end of January so scoring wasn't our obvious problem. If we sack him now I fear we will be much poorer next 10 years with 4-5 different managers. Will probably be relegated to League One with our budget. I'm confident we will have success with him. Excuses,excuses |
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Post by 1qprdk on Apr 6, 2022 17:01:08 GMT
Getting Hendrick was a big mistake but who would have known that in advance? Probably our owners were behind that signing anyway. Nah, Eustace behind that. |
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 6, 2022 17:04:06 GMT
Hendrick was an unscouted, last minute signing from what I can gather. Not one we needed. Probably an agent chancing his arm on deadline day and we bit.
Poor transfer window. Had no idea at the time how much it would hurt us.
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Post by Corbray on Apr 8, 2022 11:08:19 GMT
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 8, 2022 11:29:52 GMT
War crimes
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 8, 2022 13:00:46 GMT
yeah reading between the lines that's a massively mixed message. Maybe the reason we're so shite is because too many points = automatic renewal...... |
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Post by Bill on Apr 8, 2022 13:31:58 GMT
Typical finance mans statement.
Says a lot but actually says nothing.
Very flacky.
Thought the guys at the top are paid to make decisions.
Might just as well say nothing.
On and off the pitch leadership is a joke.
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Post by BrightonR on Apr 8, 2022 16:12:38 GMT
I’m guessing it means top 6 and it triggers the extension.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 8, 2022 16:18:52 GMT
Top 6 shouldn’t save him. He been on a worst run than when tarbie was trying to see his feet again😗
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Post by acricketer on Apr 8, 2022 17:33:44 GMT
Luckily everyone including Warbs realises the consequences of top 6 and is helping the club out.
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 9, 2022 11:52:58 GMT
Perfectly entitled to your opinion but just one thing - he changed the team before Willock got injured. He didn’t change things because of injury. I'm not sure about that. I think Willock was hurt and Warbs protected him by giving him less match time. Then he got properly crocked. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 9, 2022 11:54:51 GMT
Typical finance mans statement. Says a lot but actually says nothing. Very flacky. Thought the guys at the top are paid to make decisions.Might just as well say nothing. On and off the pitch leadership is a joke. I suspect the decisions have been made by way of pre-conditions set out in Warb's contract. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Apr 9, 2022 12:14:21 GMT
Perfectly entitled to your opinion but just one thing - he changed the team before Willock got injured. He didn’t change things because of injury. I'm not sure about that. I think Willock was hurt and Warbs protected him by giving him less match time. Then he got properly crocked. That’s a good point. It’s easy to criticise Warb for tinkering with a winning team but when we were winning we weren’t that convincing a lot of the time. Some of the players looked jaded and may have been carrying knocks, Willock a prime example. That’s maybe why Warbs couldn’t wait to get certain players like Chair back in the team. We only know part of the story and no matter how incompetent some might think Warburton is, I really don’t think he’d have messed with team selection unless he felt he had to in order to protect players from longer term injury. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 9, 2022 16:47:12 GMT
I don't care if we lose all remaining games. This season isn't important anymore. I'm pretty sure players blame themselves more than their manager. We were poor yesterday but we also made Sheffield U poor. They only had one shot at goal. BTW my non-league team scored exactly similar goal in 1981. We trained that previous week. Warburton is still only manager who has kept us in top six in nearly 10 years. And he has been good everywhere he has managed. You underestimate the injury of Willock and Dieng. Willock played 3-4 games half fit before his injury got too bad! Dieng never made mistakes like Marshall. Wasn't it that free kick goal which started our bad form? Getting Hendrick was a big mistake but who would have known that in advance? Probably our owners were behind that signing anyway. Who or where is that striker which was supposed to be better what we already have? Remember we were top three scorer end of January so scoring wasn't our obvious problem. If we sack him now I fear we will be much poorer next 10 years with 4-5 different managers. Will probably be relegated to League One with our budget. I'm confident we will have success with him. Do you still think he can survive this Timmy? It's a results driven business and he's lost 9 out of the last 12. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 9, 2022 17:10:39 GMT
How soon people forget we were heading for relegation under him 15 months ago. We’re on exactly the same slide now. Why will it be any different next year?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 9, 2022 17:11:56 GMT
How soon people forget we were heading for relegation under him 15 months ago. We’re on exactly the same slide now. Why will it be any different next year? Once is par for course twice unforgivable |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Apr 9, 2022 17:26:03 GMT
I don't care if we lose all remaining games. This season isn't important anymore. I'm pretty sure players blame themselves more than their manager. We were poor yesterday but we also made Sheffield U poor. They only had one shot at goal. BTW my non-league team scored exactly similar goal in 1981. We trained that previous week. Warburton is still only manager who has kept us in top six in nearly 10 years. And he has been good everywhere he has managed. You underestimate the injury of Willock and Dieng. Willock played 3-4 games half fit before his injury got too bad! Dieng never made mistakes like Marshall. Wasn't it that free kick goal which started our bad form? Getting Hendrick was a big mistake but who would have known that in advance? Probably our owners were behind that signing anyway. Who or where is that striker which was supposed to be better what we already have? Remember we were top three scorer end of January so scoring wasn't our obvious problem. If we sack him now I fear we will be much poorer next 10 years with 4-5 different managers. Will probably be relegated to League One with our budget. I'm confident we will have success with him. Do you still think he can survive this Timmy? It's a results driven business and he's lost 9 out of the last 12. I hope so. We also had some very good stints but people are in a hurry to forget that. Truth is we were top three club in the division for 10-12 months. Unfortunately it was divided into two different seasons. I truly think he would lead us in the Premier League in a couple of years if given enough time. He has shown us enough of that. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 9, 2022 22:26:56 GMT
Do you still think he can survive this Timmy? It's a results driven business and he's lost 9 out of the last 12. I hope so. We also had some very good stints but people are in a hurry to forget that. Truth is we were top three club in the division for 10-12 months. Unfortunately it was divided into two different seasons. I truly think he would lead us in the Premier League in a couple of years if given enough time. He has shown us enough of that. Well it's certainly a view. |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 10, 2022 6:26:01 GMT
Compare this side with the last Rangers side that made the playoffs in 2014. Not in the same league if you think about it. That team at least had some fight, spirit and togetherness about them. For all Harry's faults at least he engendered that spirit in the players. not sure that’s entirely accurate. They had experience but not sure they were a United group. We struggled towards end of that season too and was it not Barton getting the mind doctor involved which made the difference and ironed out some shortcomings which led to the cringy hashtags WeAretogether. If I recall right there were suggestions of Harry losing dressing room too Same problem then as now brining in players in Jan not up to it Maiga, Keane Think there were a couple more who came and coasted |
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