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Post by BrightonR on Jun 1, 2022 16:53:23 GMT
Excellent from the club.
Quietly getting it all done behind the scenes, whilst the media trot out their usual ill informed tosh about who we are lining up and a fair section of the fanbase soiling their knickers in case Sol Campbell was somehow offered a job.😂
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 1, 2022 17:23:20 GMT
Excellent from the club. Quietly getting it all done behind the scenes, whilst the media trot out their usual ill informed tosh about who we are lining up and a fair section of the fanbase soiling their knickers in case Sol Campbell was somehow offered a job.😂 If anyone has soiled knickers,wycombe and bill always looking and a fair price they pay. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jun 1, 2022 17:46:56 GMT
Exciting appointment, think majority of us are happy with this. Good signal for the transfer market too, which is very important. Let's just hope he does not turn out to be another Paul Clement, our dream manager.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 1, 2022 17:50:53 GMT
very chuffed about this tbh although i do still hold a grudge about him due to FM20, wouldn't be surprised if he ends up stabbing us in the back like he did to me.
haven't read his interview yet as i like to watch the video interview for these kinds of things. it could be an excellent appointment though depending on the backroom staff, maybe eustace will stay on which i'd personally be in favour of but if not then i hope he brings someone in who can compliment his role.
head coach seems well suited to his abilities, if it doesn't work out then thats gotta be game over for les tbh.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 1, 2022 17:54:03 GMT
Managers like deerstalkers,a thing of the past.
Be all head coach in prob 5 years ,and all the old skool chaps be on the tip.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 1, 2022 18:14:53 GMT
Managers like deerstalkers,a thing of the past. Be all head coach in prob 5 years ,and all the old skool chaps be on the tip. Possibly. I mooted the same on page 2: Isn’t there less need for a man-manager these days anyway? Perhaps a head coach is all you need as there’s less big characters in the game, with most modern day footballers being more compliant and biddable. |
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Post by Shania on Jun 1, 2022 18:22:00 GMT
I`m quite pleased with this appointment, but It`s certainly a gamble because as Tarbie(?) pointed out he has not been in charge of any league matches at all. One can speculate, hope and eventually raise one cardinal Question: Will it function? Yes, I actually think so- because I feel that young players now tend to pay more attention to tactiacally well educated leaders/ coaches than skilled man-management old-school managers like Warnock and Bilic. Hence, in that respect it will be very interesting to see how we will compete compared to teams like Bristol City and Middlesborough. Ps. Maybe a bit unfair on Nigel Pearson and ??. Not sure the will like to be called old school managers... Especially the latter ??
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Post by Bill on Jun 1, 2022 18:49:32 GMT
First choice...
Who they trying to kid?
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Post by acricketer on Jun 1, 2022 18:53:39 GMT
3 year deal, so club showing commitment.
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Post by The General on Jun 1, 2022 18:54:33 GMT
Really excited by the possible high press that this manager promotes
Also I think it’s back to wingers again hopefully exactly what our Qpr DNA is
Here’s hoping also Alberts just signed again
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 1, 2022 19:11:14 GMT
Negatives: clear lack of experience as manager and in the Championship
Positives: the club have been true to their word and it clearly is a progressive appointment who will build on Warbs's foundations rather than ripping them up and starting again which wd have been depressing
Unknowns: how much more influence Les will have, whether this will cause tension over time, and whether finally Les will be held more accountable for our success or failure
My take: he badly needs a good start as he has very little reputation to fall back on. A good start and he's a genius, a bad start and its "who appointed this clueless no mark?". I would consider it a good first season if we get decent money for two or three players and he brings in and develops a few talented youngsters, getting the assembly line going, with a top 10 finish while building serious foundations for a promotion push the year after.
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Post by hal9thou on Jun 1, 2022 20:26:13 GMT
Unknowns: how much more influence Les will have, whether this will cause tension over time, and whether finally Les will be held more accountable for our success or failure Less than we might imagine. This is a guy who (according to Gerrard) has turned down plenty of approaches. I don't think he's coming here to be told what to do, and I think a fair amount of the negotiating would have revolved around clarifying roles. The backroom thing is interesting. It sounds like the club are preparing for a clear out. A much needed one imo. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Jun 1, 2022 20:41:24 GMT
Unknowns: how much more influence Les will have, whether this will cause tension over time, and whether finally Les will be held more accountable for our success or failure Less than we might imagine. This is a guy who (according to Gerrard) has turned down plenty of approaches. I don't think he's coming here to be told what to do, and I think a fair amount of the negotiating would have revolved around clarifying roles. The backroom thing is interesting. It sounds like the club are preparing for a clear out. A much needed one imo. On your point about dof les not having more of a say, i do hope your right. After all, was it not he who scouted The Donkey, Bonne, Kelman and the postman to name just a few. as for a backroom clear out, will feel bad if eustace gets the boot but could not care less for Mrs Banfield and her canopies. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jun 1, 2022 20:54:59 GMT
I really hope he gets off to a good start and with a little bit of help from his old club with a couple of loans we could have a half decent season. Decent appointment IMO as could not bear one of Ferdinand's mates getting the job. Ferdinand also needs to help this guy with getting players in as none of the youth players are ready for the first team.
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Post by acricketer on Jun 1, 2022 21:07:17 GMT
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Post by sparks on Jun 1, 2022 21:17:43 GMT
Albert was ok but first thoughts are could the money be better used I was not Massively impressed, yes it’s easy to get carried away with his enthusiasm but if you break it down to actual contribution there was not an awful lot. If it was choice between him and Moses I would take Moses no more wingback system me thinks. play with two wingers and two fullbacks. albert can be a mentor for shodipo and to cover for injuries. Looking at the Villa forum their fans were frustrated that the formation employed was without wingers, although that would probably be down to Gerrard and not MB. |
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Post by acricketer on Jun 1, 2022 21:48:57 GMT
He speaks confidently and comes across as ambitious. 20 years as a coach before his first senior position. He sees an opportunity with us and takes it. I don't believe he is a Clement.
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Jun 2, 2022 7:59:18 GMT
Exactly this. So refreshing to see the club have gone for an ambitious and young coach,instead of the usual old names that are constant failures. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 2, 2022 8:18:17 GMT
I wonder if Conor Masterson is pleased or not? Beale must have worked with him.
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Post by Shania on Jun 2, 2022 9:01:15 GMT
no more wingback system me thinks. play with two wingers and two fullbacks. albert can be a mentor for shodipo and to cover for injuries. Looking at the Villa forum their fans were frustrated that the formation employed was without wingers, although that would probably be down to Gerrard and not MB. Isn`t 3-5-2(with variations) the system that all our teams are playing? |
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 2, 2022 9:02:13 GMT
Still not sure how I feel about this one. Clearly a very highly rated guy in the industry, and I like how he comes across on every video I can find of him. But weren't we saying all these things about Ramsey when we made him Manager?
I really hope it turns out to be a Masterstroke, but history tells us that more often than not it doesn't work out when an experienced Coach or Assistant is given the top job.
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Post by West Acton on Jun 2, 2022 9:04:00 GMT
I’m just happy it’s not Ainsworth or Robinson so he’s already off a high with me 😁
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Post by jfrabbit on Jun 2, 2022 9:56:47 GMT
Really pleased with this.
The old argument of can a coach become a manager will hang in the air but all I’ve heard and read is positive things about Beale.
I think we could have pulled off a really smart move here.
Fans need to get behind him and not expect the world too soon.
Club need to back him too.
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Post by sparks on Jun 2, 2022 10:03:55 GMT
Looking at the Villa forum their fans were frustrated that the formation employed was without wingers, although that would probably be down to Gerrard and not MB. Isn`t 3-5-2(with variations) the system that all our teams are playing? I’m not so sure all our youth sides play the same way Shania. David McIntyre described youth team players being sent to play with the first team and MW refusing to accept them due to being unfamiliar with the system. MB mentions “alignment of club policy on youth team players “ in his interveiws. |
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Post by The General on Jun 2, 2022 10:20:30 GMT
This is a pretty impressive team we're putting together. At last it feels considered and built for the long term. It tells me the owners are still serious about this club and there is a viable future. Deja vu...pretty sure we all said the same when McLaren was appointed. This I will wait until the season starts and then see my opinion of this new coach after 10 - 15 games I wish him much success with our club but have been here before and will not get carried away by views of Aston Villa supporters On the fence atm he needs to prove himself first before we all say what a great appointment this is Make us a success and I will praise you then not before a ball is even kicked Hope it works though for all of us we deserve some success as loyal fans every season Up the Rsss |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 2, 2022 10:27:58 GMT
I’m just happy it’s not Ainsworth or Robinson so he’s already off a high with me 😁 This is more or less where I am with this. It has massive potential to go wrong but at least we have someone who COULD prove to be very good. If it were an Ainsworth we would know from the get go that it had very little chance of working. At least we finally seem to be getting a strategy in place - after a decade of ad hoc, crisis-driven decisions under this board. So even if worst case it goes tits up, the broad strategy won’t be ripped up and we will continue to build on what we have done pretty well under Warbs which was to develop a talented, young, ball-playing team in a set system and bringing on players who are improving - either to sell or to improve us. It might sound obvious we should be doing it - and it’s frustrating we are several years behind the mighty Brentford in implementing it - but at least it’s a strong step in the right direction. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jun 2, 2022 11:10:01 GMT
Deja vu...pretty sure we all said the same when McLaren was appointed. This I will wait until the season starts and then see my opinion of this new coach after 10 - 15 games I wish him much success with our club but have been here before and will not get carried away by views of Aston Villa supporters On the fence atm he needs to prove himself first before we all say what a great appointment this is Make us a success and I will praise you then not before a ball is even kicked Hope it works though for all of us we deserve some success as loyal fans every season Up the Rsss Absolutely agree, 10-15 games minimum before judgment should be made. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 2, 2022 12:24:59 GMT
This I will wait until the season starts and then see my opinion of this new coach after 10 - 15 games I wish him much success with our club but have been here before and will not get carried away by views of Aston Villa supporters On the fence atm he needs to prove himself first before we all say what a great appointment this is Make us a success and I will praise you then not before a ball is even kicked Hope it works though for all of us we deserve some success as loyal fans every season Up the Rsss Absolutely agree, 10-15 games minimum before judgment should be made. No offence, but that's what fans always say pre-season. Am sure you will stick to it, but a lot won't. Remember that first year we were promoted back to the top flight and everyone was saying "we know we will have bad days, we just have to be patient." Then I remember sitting there on a scorching day and think we were beaten 5-0 at home to Swansea - not even one of the "good" teams - and people were baying for blood, the goalkeeper's career was basically finished with us there and then, etc. We all know patience is required - the test is whether in reality patience will be shown. We lose the first game 3-0 and already some fans will be saying the board is clueless, we got the wrong Beale, we would be better off with an EastEnders actor or have some pikey like GT managing us than Beale etc, etc...You can see it already. |
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Post by sparks on Jun 2, 2022 12:36:55 GMT
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 2, 2022 13:41:28 GMT
Still not sure how I feel about this one. Clearly a very highly rated guy in the industry, and I like how he comes across on every video I can find of him. But weren't we saying all these things about Ramsey when we made him Manager? I really hope it turns out to be a Masterstroke, but history tells us that more often than not it doesn't work out when an experienced Coach or Assistant is given the top job. Tarbs you’ve mentioned Ramsey quite a bit. What you’re forgetting is Ramsey never came here to be a manager. He was literally thrown into the lions den at a time when Pep Guardiola wouldn’t have been able to help us. The squad and club was toxic. You can’t use Ramsey as an example in any way or form tbh. This is fair, but I could also reel off at least half a dozen backroom staff turned Manager appointments in recent years that haven't worked out. Even those that have been successful have normally required a fair bit of patience. We need to be very careful not to heap too much pressure on Beale as I suspect it will be a.) a learning curve, and b.) somewhat of a changing of the guard and re-structure of the playing side of the club. |
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