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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 14:51:17 GMT
People can talk about what they want, I'm not here to censor but offer opinions and thoughts which will either be agreed with or argued against. I'm not a politician canvassing support for an election. My opinion carries no more weight than anyone else, it's just an opinion. In this instance my opinion is that if the people who still hate Beale looked closely at their life and why they are still disgusted that a man had the audacity to take another job they'd probably see that they've something missing.I also believe that the Beale situation is distracting far too many people and holding the club back because the anger is targeting the wrong person and until they focus that anger to those who have put the club in the position we find ourselves in we are holding the club back. Goodness me, you're patronising!
Supporting any football team comes with a large measure of self-delusion, but then so does buying into any of the prevailing societal memes. Modern societies function on tacit agreements (usually unconscious, as far as I can tell) to abide by a set of cultural rules, and as time goes by, these become ever more abstract in relation to the fundamental realities of existence. Football is a case in point: stripped of its narrative, it's just a game, with no meaning whatsoever. But people choose to take it seriously, in fact its very existence relies upon the fact that they do, and getting passionate about all sorts of minutiae is part of the fun. And if people choose to do that, that's up to them, surely? They don't need lecturing on how and why they do it, or what is the 'correct' attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 14:52:47 GMT
Well said hubble and alanwycombe. @oldr, not sure you're in any position to lecture a diverse set of football fans on what they should or shouldn't feel about stuff that goes on with their club - still less about 'looking closely at their lives...' Good grief, what an arrogant, pompous thing to come out with FFS - who do you think you are, the Pope?? As I said above, it's my opinion whether you like it or not and others are available. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 14:58:45 GMT
People people people, we all need to take 5. Remember that we all come over differently when we communicate. Some are better than others at it(me). Some struggle to get what they mean out. Then there’s a generation gap. We all talk same language but some more to the point or blunt than others but that’s just times u brought up in. End of day we all massive fans and want the same thing. Yes that jedwad reunion tour. None of us are politicians canvassing for support and the only thing we have in common is the support for QPR. If you want someone to sugar-coat controversial opinions I'm not that man and I wouldn't expect anyone else to not say exactly how they feel because what they have to say will be unpopular. I have opinions you may like, others you will disagree with and some you will hate. If you don't like them than that's not my problem just as if I disagree with yours it doesn't matter 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 15:10:20 GMT
It's called networking and it happens in every walk of life. QPR isn't a holy order, it's a job for managers and players. An ends to a means. Networking? Going into Rangers pubs telling the fans that he could do a better job than the current manager and parading himself in the directors box while GVB was a dead man walking. That is not networking that is classless and underhand. Do you think you can just walk up and buy a ticket for the Directors box at Ibrox? I can see why some may find it classless but it is common practice in all fields of life to appoint a new manager/team member before the old one is sacked. In fact, you're a bit of an idiot if you don't when you know you're going to sack someone. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 4, 2023 16:55:18 GMT
Goodness me, you're patronising!
Supporting any football team comes with a large measure of self-delusion, but then so does buying into any of the prevailing societal memes. Modern societies function on tacit agreements (usually unconscious, as far as I can tell) to abide by a set of cultural rules, and as time goes by, these become ever more abstract in relation to the fundamental realities of existence. Football is a case in point: stripped of its narrative, it's just a game, with no meaning whatsoever. But people choose to take it seriously, in fact its very existence relies upon the fact that they do, and getting passionate about all sorts of minutiae is part of the fun. And if people choose to do that, that's up to them, surely? They don't need lecturing on how and why they do it, or what is the 'correct' attitude.
Its my opinion regardless of whether you like it or not. Others are available. Well, to my mind, a 'valid' opinion might be, "I don't understand why people still hate Beale." A pompous, smug, holier-than-thou opinion might be, "If the people who still hate Beale looked closely at their life and why they are still disgusted that a man had the audacity to take another job they'd probably see that they've something missing." I still get annoyed when I think about the Cardiff City fans setting off the alarms at QPR's hotel the night before the League One play-off final at the Millennium Stadium. As a result, I still love the see them do badly. But it's Schadenfreude, we (or many of us) love to see those who have done us wrong fall on the faces. It's a kind of childish glee at their misfortune. Do we all need to get down to our local shrink for analysis, or take lessons in 'How to be a Grown Up'? It's part of what being a football fan is. It stirs the blood. It's tribal. What I don't understand is how any fan can take such a passive, anodyne view on Beale. Oh, other opinions are available... |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 4, 2023 16:58:29 GMT
Networking? Going into Rangers pubs telling the fans that he could do a better job than the current manager and parading himself in the directors box while GVB was a dead man walking. That is not networking that is classless and underhand. Do you think you can just walk up and buy a ticket for the Directors box at Ibrox? I can see why some may find it classless but it is common practice in all fields of life to appoint a new manager/team member before the old one is sacked. In fact, you're a bit of an idiot if you don't when you know you're going to sack someone. Absolute rubbish it is not common practice to do what he did and he broke the unwritten rule among managers. I know exactly how he got invited into the directors box at Ibrox. One other I can tell you as fact is thatnone of the directors in the said box were buying the fans drinks in the Rangers pubs of Glasgow. You look at it as common practice and I look at as scumbag behaviour to our club and fans and also a decenr bloke in Van Bronckhurst. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 4, 2023 17:54:34 GMT
Do you think you can just walk up and buy a ticket for the Directors box at Ibrox? I can see why some may find it classless but it is common practice in all fields of life to appoint a new manager/team member before the old one is sacked. In fact, you're a bit of an idiot if you don't when you know you're going to sack someone. Absolute rubbish it is not common practice to do what he did and he broke the unwritten rule among managers. I know exactly how he got invited into the directors box at Ibrox. One other I can tell you as fact is thatnone of the directors in the said box were buying the fans drinks in the Rangers pubs of Glasgow. You look at it as common practice and I look at as scumbag behaviour to our club and fans and also a decenr bloke in Van Bronckhurst. it’s not networking it’s whoring yourself. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 4, 2023 19:00:02 GMT
@oldr the point of this forum is to debate and be open minded about our club and to respect eachothers opinion. i've always said that there are people on this forum that i agree with more than others but i've changed my opinion more than once. at the end of the day no matter our beliefs about the club or how it should be managed we all want the club to be successful. lots of people are #garethout for example but would be more than happy to see him turn it around and take us on a 10 match winning run. as for that moley eel prick, some aren't bothered by him but others still hold a grudge, myself included. i'm sure there are footballers/managers that you yourself dislike but lets be frank here, none of that dislike is toxic or lifechanging. yeah i can't stand the eel but i'd pull him out of the water if he was drowning as its not an all consuming hate lol. football is different to the normal world afterall, we don't have crowds of supporters cheering on tesco staff and celebrating new additions to the meal deal section before galavanting off up the road to brawl with sainsburys fans.
football is a fickle sport yes but given the level of emotional, time and monetary investment people put into it we're allowed to hold people accountible over perceived slights. just respect others points of view even if you don't agree with it. no one wants to be lectured nor do people like arrogance etc. Speak for yourself Corbs. Many a Friday night there’s a rumble at our Tesco Local, where blue and white stripe clad Tesco trolley boys face up to to the orange, almost Dutch-like Sainsburys shelf stacking Ultras, chanting, “We are the Tesco Boys, Stand up and make some noise, Every little helps!” |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 19:08:06 GMT
Its my opinion regardless of whether you like it or not. Others are available. Well, to my mind, a 'valid' opinion might be, "I don't understand why people still hate Beale." A pompous, smug, holier-than-thou opinion might be, "If the people who still hate Beale looked closely at their life and why they are still disgusted that a man had the audacity to take another job they'd probably see that they've something missing." I still get annoyed when I think about the Cardiff City fans setting off the alarms at QPR's hotel the night before the League One play-off final at the Millennium Stadium. As a result, I still love the see them do badly. But it's Schadenfreude, we (or many of us) love to see those who have done us wrong fall on the faces. It's a kind of childish glee at their misfortune. Do we all need to get down to our local shrink for analysis, or take lessons in 'How to be a Grown Up'? It's part of what being a football fan is. It stirs the blood. It's tribal. What I don't understand is how any fan can take such a passive, anodyne view on Beale. Oh, other opinions are available... All opinions are valid, everyone of them. You're entitled to think I'm wrong/absurd, I'm entitled to think you are. The only thing we can't have is our own facts but seeing as we're both just expressing opinions there can be differences and that's cool. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 19:09:06 GMT
Do you think you can just walk up and buy a ticket for the Directors box at Ibrox? I can see why some may find it classless but it is common practice in all fields of life to appoint a new manager/team member before the old one is sacked. In fact, you're a bit of an idiot if you don't when you know you're going to sack someone. Absolute rubbish it is not common practice to do what he did and he broke the unwritten rule among managers. I know exactly how he got invited into the directors box at Ibrox. One other I can tell you as fact is thatnone of the directors in the said box were buying the fans drinks in the Rangers pubs of Glasgow. You look at it as common practice and I look at as scumbag behaviour to our club and fans and also a decenr bloke in Van Bronckhurst. In my opinion you're very niave if you don't think this is a regular occurrence in football. It's a business, not a circle of trust. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 19:13:22 GMT
Absolute rubbish it is not common practice to do what he did and he broke the unwritten rule among managers. I know exactly how he got invited into the directors box at Ibrox. One other I can tell you as fact is thatnone of the directors in the said box were buying the fans drinks in the Rangers pubs of Glasgow. You look at it as common practice and I look at as scumbag behaviour to our club and fans and also a decenr bloke in Van Bronckhurst. it’s not networking it’s whoring yourself. Have you never heard on the grapevine that a position will be available soon and used your network to find out of you have a chance of getting the job? That's also a common occurrence at the top levels of most businesses and seeing as football is a business we shouldn't expect any difference. As I said above, you're entitled to your own opinions about the morals of such behaviour and whether or not you would act in the same manner but you can't form your own opinion about whether or not it does and whether or not the official term is networking. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 4, 2023 19:17:54 GMT
Someone isn't watching the fucking game 🤣😂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 19:21:42 GMT
Someone isn't watching the fucking game 🤣😂 You're right, you couldn't pay me to watch this shite. Feel for those of you who are because it seems grim at the moment. Life is too short and all that... |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 4, 2023 19:23:11 GMT
You couldn’t make that up ……😁
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 19:27:23 GMT
You couldn’t make that up ……😁 Who's trying to make something up? If you think the best way to spend tonight is watching us labour to another defeat under Ainsworth than that's up to you. Me? Nah, thanks but no thanks but I hope you enjoy the night 👍 |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 4, 2023 20:02:40 GMT
Absolute rubbish it is not common practice to do what he did and he broke the unwritten rule among managers. I know exactly how he got invited into the directors box at Ibrox. One other I can tell you as fact is thatnone of the directors in the said box were buying the fans drinks in the Rangers pubs of Glasgow. You look at it as common practice and I look at as scumbag behaviour to our club and fans and also a decenr bloke in Van Bronckhurst. In my opinion you're very niave if you don't think this is a regular occurrence in football. It's a business, not a circle of trust. [br You seem to know a lot about most things so I assume you to be right. I tell what is not regular and that is a football manager plating the punters and getting pissed with them unless you know differently. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 20:09:30 GMT
In my opinion you're very niave if you don't think this is a regular occurrence in football. It's a business, not a circle of trust. [br You seem to know a lot about most things so I assume you to be right. I tell what is not regular and that is a football manager plating the punters and getting pissed with them unless you know differently. I know the Louden Tavern due to Rangers supporting friends and from seeing England play in Glasgow twice. It's like Kevin Gallen popping into the LSA. Could you share the source for what he discussed there as nothing I can find suggests he said anything you claim he did. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 4, 2023 20:14:52 GMT
Are you Mick Beale? He was in the said pub and was spouting his shit to his adoring public.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 20:18:33 GMT
Are you Mick Beale? He was in the said pub and was spouting his shit to his adoring public. I know he was in the Louden Tavern. There's evidence to prove that. What I am interested in is what he said as your claims don't seem to be verified by any sources I can find. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 4, 2023 20:22:12 GMT
Are you Mick Beale? He was in the said pub and was spouting his shit to his adoring public. I know he was in the Louden Tavern. There's evidence to prove that. What I am interested in is what he said as your claims don't seem to be verified by any sources I can find. Source? Verified. Message board Oldr not a court of law. It was said and someone I know was in tge pub on that day. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 20:24:41 GMT
I know he was in the Louden Tavern. There's evidence to prove that. What I am interested in is what he said as your claims don't seem to be verified by any sources I can find. Source? Verified. Message board Oldr not a court of law. It was said and someone I know was in tge pub on that day. Do you know what, I don't believe you 👍 There's no sources - even on Twitter from people who were there - apart from your friend. 🤔 If you can prove the conversations you claim took place I will be the bigger man and apologise. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 4, 2023 20:28:00 GMT
Source? Verified. Message board Oldr not a court of law. It was said and someone I know was in tge pub on that day. Do you know what, I don't believe you 👍 There's no sources - even on Twitter from people who were there - apart from your friend. 🤔 If you can prove the conversations you claim took place I will be the bigger man and apologise. That is your opinion and whether you do not believe me or not is fine I will still sleep tonight. Old r I do not know you or wish to but will say this you seem to like the sound of your own voice or in this case in your words you put on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 20:30:09 GMT
Do you know what, I don't believe you 👍 There's no sources - even on Twitter from people who were there - apart from your friend. 🤔 If you can prove the conversations you claim took place I will be the bigger man and apologise. That is your opinion and whether you do not believe me or not is fine I will still sleep tonight. Old r I do not know you or wish to but will say this you seem to like the sound of your own voice or in this case in your words you put on here. Cool, you're entitled to form your own opinions 👍 What I would say, however, is that if you're going to choose a hill to die on and people ask for evidence don't be offended 👍 |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 4, 2023 20:32:02 GMT
That is your opinion and whether you do not believe me or not is fine I will still sleep tonight. Old r I do not know you or wish to but will say this you seem to like the sound of your own voice or in this case in your words you put on here. Cool, you're entitled to form your own opinions 👍 What I would say, however, is that if you're going to choose a hill to die on and people ask for evidence don't be offended 👍 Ok Old r. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 4, 2023 22:16:26 GMT
Don’t think we are going to agree on whether or not Beale is a two faced shit worthy of the contempt of right-thinking QPR fans.
But, as if to provide the conversation a bit of a twist, it is with great sadness that our much-loved former manager Mark Hughes has been sacked by League Two Bradford City.
Personally I was quietly chuffed at the news.
Do I need to make an emergency call to a shrink in the morning?
Oldr, out of interest, are you entirely disinterested in Hughes’ long overdue comeuppance?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 22:34:08 GMT
Don’t think we are going to agree on whether or not Beale is a two faced shit worthy of the contempt of right-thinking QPR fans. But, as if to provide the conversation a bit of a twist, it is with great sadness that our much-loved former manager Mark Hughes has been sacked by League Two Bradford City. Personally I was quietly chuffed at the news. Do I need to make an emergency call to a shrink in the morning? Oldr, out of interest, are you entirely disinterested in Hughes’ long overdue comeuppance? Hughes left 11 years ago.... you want a serious answer? Firstly, it was 11 years ago so people should be long over that. Secondly, if you (people, not you individually) still think he was the problem rather than the board we lost our soul because of and who appointed him I dont think you were paying attention. |
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Post by hubble on Oct 5, 2023 7:07:07 GMT
Goodness me, you're patronising!
Supporting any football team comes with a large measure of self-delusion, but then so does buying into any of the prevailing societal memes. Modern societies function on tacit agreements (usually unconscious, as far as I can tell) to abide by a set of cultural rules, and as time goes by, these become ever more abstract in relation to the fundamental realities of existence. Football is a case in point: stripped of its narrative, it's just a game, with no meaning whatsoever. But people choose to take it seriously, in fact its very existence relies upon the fact that they do, and getting passionate about all sorts of minutiae is part of the fun. And if people choose to do that, that's up to them, surely? They don't need lecturing on how and why they do it, or what is the 'correct' attitude.
Its my opinion regardless of whether you like it or not. Others are available. You seem to be confused, but I don't think I could have made it much clearer: I was talking about your attitude, not your opinion. Your opinion doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 5, 2023 7:48:12 GMT
I’m after odds on your 2 beef or noddy lasting longest 😀
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 9:36:06 GMT
Its my opinion regardless of whether you like it or not. Others are available. You seem to be confused, but I don't think I could have made it much clearer: I was talking about your attitude, not your opinion. Your opinion doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Sorry, I'll find more elegant ways of saying I think people need to reevaluate their lives to make you feel better x |
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Post by hubble on Oct 5, 2023 9:57:27 GMT
You seem to be confused, but I don't think I could have made it much clearer: I was talking about your attitude, not your opinion. Your opinion doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Sorry, I'll find more elegant ways of saying I think people need to reevaluate their lives to make you feel better x Blindspots are always tough to deal with, aren't they.
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