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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 20, 2022 15:16:57 GMT
Quotes like this and seeing him say it to camera, again, confirms to me he wasn't lying about his phone yesterday. It's very easy to be cynical about stuff like that, I get it. But not in this case IMO. Another quote that made me fairly unworried about yesterday's events. In the fit as fuck, ripped man's own words. |
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Post by sparks on Oct 20, 2022 15:27:08 GMT
I was also quite confident that he would turn down Wolves but as I’ve said previously I don’t think that would be the case if G/Rangers came in.
Would your gut feeling still say he would stay Stan?
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 20, 2022 15:34:13 GMT
I was also quite confident that he would turn down Wolves but as I’ve said previously I don’t think that would be the case if G/Rangers came in. Would your gut feeling still say he would stay Stan? Yes it would Sparks, at least for this season, and even more so for next if he takes us up. He's made no secret of his ambitions to manage in the Prem. Has he specifically said that about G/Rangers? QPR in the prem or G/Rangers is a bit too much of a hypothetical at this stage anyway. If we don't go up this season and they then came in for him is a different proposition but certainly nothing I'd lose sleep over for now. |
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Post by The General on Oct 20, 2022 15:36:00 GMT
Shoes he has credibility and loyalty
Prob got big pay rise too which helped
Win Win
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 20, 2022 15:42:00 GMT
You asked and I told you Itso. Don't make out I give it the big "Mr ITK" on here. Cos I absolutely do not! We’re going off point tbh. I asked if Beale told a pack of lies last night. If you’re saying that people within the club were given the distinct impression that he was leaving, where did that come from? Beale said he knew nothing about it all, so he was lying then surely? I wasn't a fly on the wall mate. I don't have specifics as to why people thought he was going. Just that everyone I spoke to who knows more than me all said he was off. I've also never once said Beale lied either. Only that he gave the impression he wanted to go. But then I suppose refusing to rule yourself out of the running and turning your phone off might be enough to give that impression. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 20, 2022 15:45:44 GMT
Well I did call it all along chaps and chapess. Trusted my gut instinct and it was right. Something never felt right about it 🙂 You did Stan and fair play 👏🏼 From what I was reading and hearing he was out of here! Whether it was a last minute change of mind or whatever else him staying is a massive boost to QPR |
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 20, 2022 15:51:43 GMT
Was more than that mate. Ask Jimmy Rabbit too. People very close to the club were saying last night he was on his way. Whether Beale has slept on it and had a change of heart, or just handled it in a way that gave the perception he wanted to go, I don't believe this was just paper talk. So Beale was lying through his teeth last night then, when he said there had been no contact? There was defo contact. Doesn’t have to be with him. That’s why they have representatives and agents. What I heard was the salary offer was in the region of £1.5m per season. 2.5 year deal. Bonuses on top. He’s literally on £600k at QPR so would have been doubling almost tripling his money with salary and bonuses. Trust me this was v v close to happening. Also heard there was some possible push back from his staff about the Wolves position. People need to remember managers trust and rely on their staff and without them they’re potentially not the same. These people have homes, lives, kids in schools etc. if it doesn’t all fit it won’t work. That played a part too by all accounts. |
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Post by sparks on Oct 20, 2022 15:58:14 GMT
I was also quite confident that he would turn down Wolves but as I’ve said previously I don’t think that would be the case if G/Rangers came in. Would your gut feeling still say he would stay Stan? Yes it would Sparks, at least for this season, and even more so for next if he takes us up. He's made no secret of his ambitions to manage in the Prem. Has he specifically said that about G/Rangers? QPR in the prem or G/Rangers is a bit too much of a hypothetical at this stage anyway. If we don't go up this season and they then came in for him is a different proposition but certainly nothing I'd lose sleep over for now. I do think MB gives so many interviews that perhaps sometimes they can be seen as mixed messages at times, for instance I saw an article where he said he wasn’t too fussed about managing in the prem but managing abroad would be his ultimate aim. I have seen a good number of recent articles which clearly shows he still has a special bond at G/Rangers and he said during them he would have hoped to return to manage them one day. Obviously things change very quickly in football and maybe MB may feel the same about our club in due course. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 20, 2022 16:00:42 GMT
There was defo contact. Doesn’t have to be with him. That’s why they have representatives and agents. What I heard was the salary offer was in the region of £1.5m per season. 2.5 year deal. Bonuses on top. He’s literally on £600k at QPR so would have been doubling almost tripling his money with salary and bonuses. Trust me this was v v close to happening. Also heard there was some possible push back from his staff about the Wolves position. People need to remember managers trust and rely on their staff and without them they’re potentially not the same. These people have homes, lives, kids in schools etc. if it doesn’t all fit it won’t work. That played a part too by all accounts. Jimmy, MB is settled in London now with his family? Or is he still living out of the Heathrow hotel on his lonesome? Mixed reports on this. Do you know? |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 20, 2022 16:04:12 GMT
I think his kids are pretty young Stan. Don't suppose they need to worry about pulling them out of school.
I'd be surprised if the rumour of the family still being in the Midlands and him being in a hotel have any substance. I'm just speculating though.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Oct 20, 2022 16:05:46 GMT
So Beale was lying through his teeth last night then, when he said there had been no contact? There was defo contact. Doesn’t have to be with him. That’s why they have representatives and agents. What I heard was the salary offer was in the region of £1.5m per season. 2.5 year deal. Bonuses on top. He’s literally on £600k at QPR so would have been doubling almost tripling his money with salary and bonuses. Trust me this was v v close to happening. Also heard there was some possible push back from his staff about the Wolves position. People need to remember managers trust and rely on their staff and without them they’re potentially not the same. These people have homes, lives, kids in schools etc. if it doesn’t all fit it won’t work. That played a part too by all accounts. If that’s the case then based on his comments yesterday and again today it sounds like his agent pumped this up big time, which let’s face it, is par for the course, it’s their job to. Which If true, makes the sources at the club a bit gullible imo. Or he did talk to Wolves directly, in which case he lied yesterday and again today. The only two points I’m trying to make are: either Beale lied which opens up a whole new discussion, or his agent threw a rumour out there and people bought into it hook line and sinker, including owners, directors et al. Or, his agent thought he’d done a deal with Wolves and let people know about it, without actually talking to Beale. |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 20, 2022 16:10:17 GMT
You really do live in a world without grey don't you Itso? Every subject ends up having to be so binary when we get into it.
I'm my experience life is far more nuanced than that with many shades of grey. Not many situations fit neatly into box a or box b.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 20, 2022 16:12:40 GMT
Or he did talk to Wolves directly I'd think that would be extremely unlikely imo. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 20, 2022 16:13:04 GMT
There was defo contact. Doesn’t have to be with him. That’s why they have representatives and agents. What I heard was the salary offer was in the region of £1.5m per season. 2.5 year deal. Bonuses on top. He’s literally on £600k at QPR so would have been doubling almost tripling his money with salary and bonuses. Trust me this was v v close to happening. Also heard there was some possible push back from his staff about the Wolves position. People need to remember managers trust and rely on their staff and without them they’re potentially not the same. These people have homes, lives, kids in schools etc. if it doesn’t all fit it won’t work. That played a part too by all accounts. Jimmy, MB is settled in London now with his family? Or is he still living out of the Heathrow hotel on his lonesome? Mixed reports on this. Do you know? I’m not too sure tbh mate. I did hear he was in a hotel but can’t say if true or not. Spoke to a close contact at the club today and they told me what a straight up and transparent guy he is. He said he wants to lift the whole club not just the first team. He does all the coaching himself with his assistants unlike other managers who leave it to coaches. Warburton wasn’t liked at all at the club. Put on a v different face for interviews. He said he gave none of the young players hope or inspiration yet Beale has made it clear everyone of them have a chance with him. Apparently he touches base with the academy staff all the time and told them any time you want to bring a player over to us to train just ask. MW wanted them nowhere near the first XI. He said when playing a game a day before a match, if they were short of players MW would rather play with less players than to bring in a youngster. He said it would demoralise the players. Sounded a right prick tbh. Also said if he ever saw anything that shouldn’t be happening rather than say something he’d see it, say nothing and then hours later email it to all the staff telling someone off.. Basically grassing. Everyone was delighted when he got fucked off. He said Beale is a complete and utter breath of fresh air. |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 20, 2022 16:15:06 GMT
Or he did talk to Wolves directly I think that was extremely unlikely imo. That I'll certainly agree to. I do however think there was certainly a period this week where Beale wanted to keep the option of at least having a discussion with them open. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 20, 2022 16:20:59 GMT
I’m not too sure tbh mate. I did hear he was in a hotel but can’t say if true or not. Spoke to a close contact at the club today and they told me what a straight up and transparent guy he is. He said he wants to lift the whole club not just the first team. He does all the coaching himself with his assistants unlike other managers who leave it to coaches. Warburton wasn’t liked at all at the club. Put on a v different face for interviews. He said he gave none of the young players hope or inspiration yet Beale has made it clear everyone of them have a chance with him. Apparently he touches base with the academy staff all the time and told them any time you want to bring a player over to us to train just ask. MW wanted them nowhere near the first XI. He said when playing a game a day before a match, if they were short of players MW would rather play with less players than to bring in a youngster. He said it would demoralise the players. Sounded a right prick tbh. Also said if he ever saw anything that shouldn’t be happening rather than say something he’d see it, say nothing and then hours later email it to all the staff telling someone off.. Basically grassing. Everyone was delighted when he got fucked off. He said Beale is a complete and utter breath of fresh air. Thanks for that insight Jimmy. Interesting. It makes perfect sense about Beale wanting to integrate the youth as much as possible considering his background. Warburton just didn't have that experience so a totally different kettle of fish. In the words of Hoos last week "We have an absolute gem of a manager". |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 20, 2022 16:22:56 GMT
Jimmy, you're the 2nd person in recent weeks I've spoken to who's said the same about Warburton. The other was a random bloke in the Green I didn't know from Adam. But he said virtually identical to what you did there.
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Post by sparks on Oct 20, 2022 16:31:46 GMT
Can’t disagree with any of this article by Dave Mac
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 20, 2022 16:31:48 GMT
Jimmy, you're the 2nd person in recent weeks I've spoken to who's said the same about Warburton. The other was a random bloke in the Green I didn't know from Adam. But he said virtually identical to what you did there. Honestly mate I’ve heard so much about him from people working v v close to him. Don’t wanna name names as they’re still there but influential people at the club had no time for him. He wasn’t liked. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Oct 20, 2022 16:55:09 GMT
You really do live in a world without grey don't you Itso? Every subject ends up having to be so binary when we get into it. I'm my experience life is far more nuanced than that with many shades of grey. Not many situations fit neatly into box a or box b. Thanks for the patronisation mate. I’d have to disagree though. I asked you a very simple question, which you still can’t answer. Did Beale lie? Surely you know the answer, after all, you have the hotline to the club don’t you? I’ll try and clarify for you (excuse the patronisation) Beale said yesterday after the match that he knew no more than anyone else. You said there was more to it than payer talk. If that’s true then either: His agent spoke to Wolves without his knowledge and incorrectly told people that It was a done deal, behind Beales back. That’s possible, but still doesn’t detract from the fact that a lot of so called itk, press etc got it wrong. It’s really simple. Was he lying or did the itk brigade get sold a dummy. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 20, 2022 16:57:59 GMT
Surely an massively improved contract offer must be on the cards for him now?
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 20, 2022 17:04:11 GMT
You really do live in a world without grey don't you Itso? Every subject ends up having to be so binary when we get into it. I'm my experience life is far more nuanced than that with many shades of grey. Not many situations fit neatly into box a or box b. Thanks for the patronisation mate. I’d have to disagree though. I asked you a very simple question, which you still can’t answer. Did Beale lie? Surely you know the answer, after all, you have the hotline to the club don’t you? I’ll try and clarify for you (excuse the patronisation) Beale said yesterday after the match that he knew no more than anyone else. You said there was more to it than payer talk. If that’s true then either: His agent spoke to Wolves without his knowledge and incorrectly told people that It was a done deal, behind Beales back. That’s possible, but still doesn’t detract from the fact that a lot of so called itk, press etc got it wrong. It’s really simple. Was he lying or did the itk brigade get sold a dummy. Not trying to be funny but it’s not hard mate. Wolves make interest clear through certain methods MB reps follow that up (that’s their job) Rumours bounce around will he won’t he MB gets on with the job at hand in the background. Official permission requested by Wolves MB turns down the chance. Let’s be perfectly honest MB would have been fully aware of all on offer but that doesn’t mean he’s lied or been manipulative. He’s just let others do the talking. |
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Post by hubble on Oct 20, 2022 17:05:37 GMT
Get ready for the ride fellas, the deal will be massive bonus to get us promoted. Not sure I’d want to be following any other team now - Sheff, Norwich, Burnley or Shopping Centre FC. Last night without Willock so he’s coming back plus there must be some comings and goings Jan.Would another striker be the leaf of mint, on the cherry, on the icing, on the cake?
The icing on the cake for me is that out of the blue, I just got an email from the people who run QPR+ telling me they've refunded my tenner for the Sheffield UTd game (it didn't work properly once throughout 90 minutes). A happy day! 
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Post by hubble on Oct 20, 2022 17:09:08 GMT
Jimmy, MB is settled in London now with his family? Or is he still living out of the Heathrow hotel on his lonesome? Mixed reports on this. Do you know? I’m not too sure tbh mate. I did hear he was in a hotel but can’t say if true or not. Spoke to a close contact at the club today and they told me what a straight up and transparent guy he is. He said he wants to lift the whole club not just the first team. He does all the coaching himself with his assistants unlike other managers who leave it to coaches. Warburton wasn’t liked at all at the club. Put on a v different face for interviews. He said he gave none of the young players hope or inspiration yet Beale has made it clear everyone of them have a chance with him. Apparently he touches base with the academy staff all the time and told them any time you want to bring a player over to us to train just ask. MW wanted them nowhere near the first XI. He said when playing a game a day before a match, if they were short of players MW would rather play with less players than to bring in a youngster. He said it would demoralise the players. Sounded a right prick tbh. Also said if he ever saw anything that shouldn’t be happening rather than say something he’d see it, say nothing and then hours later email it to all the staff telling someone off.. Basically grassing. Everyone was delighted when he got fucked off. He said Beale is a complete and utter breath of fresh air. Very interesting Jimmy, this backs up my gut instinct about Warburton. I was never convinced by the geezer.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 20, 2022 17:10:08 GMT
A sneaky fella mate.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Oct 20, 2022 17:13:55 GMT
Thanks for the patronisation mate. I’d have to disagree though. I asked you a very simple question, which you still can’t answer. Did Beale lie? Surely you know the answer, after all, you have the hotline to the club don’t you? I’ll try and clarify for you (excuse the patronisation) Beale said yesterday after the match that he knew no more than anyone else. You said there was more to it than payer talk. If that’s true then either: His agent spoke to Wolves without his knowledge and incorrectly told people that It was a done deal, behind Beales back. That’s possible, but still doesn’t detract from the fact that a lot of so called itk, press etc got it wrong. It’s really simple. Was he lying or did the itk brigade get sold a dummy. Not trying to be funny but it’s not hard mate. Wolves make interest clear through certain methods MB reps follow that up (that’s their job) Rumours bounce around will he won’t he MB gets on with the job at hand in the background. Official permission requested by Wolves MB turns down the chance. Let’s be perfectly honest MB would have been fully aware of all on offer but that doesn’t mean he’s lied or been manipulative. He’s just let others do the talking. We’ll have to disagree Jimmy He said late last night he knew no more than anyone. That doesn’t stack up with what you are saying. Instead of saying he lied, how about I say he was conservative with the truth. Is that better… |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 20, 2022 17:14:28 GMT
You really do live in a world without grey don't you Itso? Every subject ends up having to be so binary when we get into it. I'm my experience life is far more nuanced than that with many shades of grey. Not many situations fit neatly into box a or box b. Thanks for the patronisation mate. I’d have to disagree though. I asked you a very simple question, which you still can’t answer. Did Beale lie? Surely you know the answer, after all, you have the hotline to the club don’t you? I’ll try and clarify for you (excuse the patronisation) Beale said yesterday after the match that he knew no more than anyone else. You said there was more to it than payer talk. If that’s true then either: His agent spoke to Wolves without his knowledge and incorrectly told people that It was a done deal, behind Beales back. That’s possible, but still doesn’t detract from the fact that a lot of so called itk, press etc got it wrong. It’s really simple. Was he lying or did the itk brigade get sold a dummy. Don't mean to patronise mate. It's just exhausting debating with you on some subjects. As I said above a few times, I don't believe Beale has lied. I don't believe he's had a proper conversation with Wolves at any point. I'll be amazed if his representatives haven't had a chat with them though. I also believe (for whatever reason) he's been quite happy for the perception to be that he's interested in the move at certain points this week. Could be he's used it for a better deal for him and his coaching staff, could be that he genuinely needed a few days thinking space before making a decision and wasn't gonna lie to the press on the subject, could even be that he was genuinely up for the move but had a last minute change of heart. Don't suppose we'll get an answer on that one until he writes an auto biography. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 20, 2022 17:14:31 GMT
Time of the month is it Itso? 🤣 It means I did a ring round of people I know who have direct contact with staff up to boardroom level at the club. People who have mobile numbers of some of our Directors on their phones in some cases. To a man, they all said they thought Beale was off. I think Jimmy Rabbit did similar and posted what he found out on here. I'm sure the press probably got similar feedback, hence some of the articles doing the rounds suggesting it was basically a done deal. At one point I think he was 10/1 on with the bookies to take the Wolves job. In my opinion, it wasn't just lazy journalism. I think all the signals last night were he was going to be joining Wolves. Whether he's had a U-turn overnight or whether he's just handled this in a way that gave the impression he wanted the move is the only bit that is uncertain for me. hope you never called Beales phone apparently it was off |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 20, 2022 17:19:48 GMT
Not trying to be funny but it’s not hard mate. Wolves make interest clear through certain methods MB reps follow that up (that’s their job) Rumours bounce around will he won’t he MB gets on with the job at hand in the background. Official permission requested by Wolves MB turns down the chance. Let’s be perfectly honest MB would have been fully aware of all on offer but that doesn’t mean he’s lied or been manipulative. He’s just let others do the talking. We’ll have to disagree Jimmy He said late last night he knew no more than anyone. That doesn’t stack up with what you are saying. Instead of saying he lied, how about I say he was conservative with the truth. Is that better… So your issue here is the "I know as much as anyone else" comment Beale made? Ok, I reckon that bit was a white lie. Does that put this debate to bed? |
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 20, 2022 17:23:22 GMT
Not trying to be funny but it’s not hard mate. Wolves make interest clear through certain methods MB reps follow that up (that’s their job) Rumours bounce around will he won’t he MB gets on with the job at hand in the background. Official permission requested by Wolves MB turns down the chance. Let’s be perfectly honest MB would have been fully aware of all on offer but that doesn’t mean he’s lied or been manipulative. He’s just let others do the talking. We’ll have to disagree Jimmy He said late last night he knew no more than anyone. That doesn’t stack up with what you are saying. Instead of saying he lied, how about I say he was conservative with the truth. Is that better… Yes absolutely. |
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