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Post by Ginger Ninja on May 12, 2024 21:26:14 GMT
So what and when did the change first surface ? Event ? Rule change ? Referees ? What you guys and girls think. A number of reasons. Sky taking the game over, middle class twats 'discovering' the sport and the cultural genocide that followed... Corrupt organisations. It is a non contact sport now VAR Teams with squads from anywhere rather than somewhere: The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded a complete non-English and/or non-white side is something we should be ashamed of, not proud. Modern 'fans' cosplaying football fans The fact that every match has to be hyped to be a big occasion Podcasts and blogs by middle class twats for middle class twats The loan market The way people now see the football club they support/'support' as an extension of their personality and give it far too great an importance The forced/choreography of modern fan groups INCLUDING the Loft Boys or whatever they're called Ticket prices Saturation of tv coverage I could honestly go on... Why are you back on here? Honestly your posts make it clear you hate modern football, including the club you once supported, so why waste your time posting on message boards about it? Surely you have better things to do? |
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Post by West Acton on May 13, 2024 5:51:02 GMT
A number of reasons. Sky taking the game over, middle class twats 'discovering' the sport and the cultural genocide that followed... Corrupt organisations. It is a non contact sport now VAR Teams with squads from anywhere rather than somewhere: The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded a complete non-English and/or non-white side is something we should be ashamed of, not proud. Modern 'fans' cosplaying football fans The fact that every match has to be hyped to be a big occasion Podcasts and blogs by middle class twats for middle class twats The loan market The way people now see the football club they support/'support' as an extension of their personality and give it far too great an importance The forced/choreography of modern fan groups INCLUDING the Loft Boys or whatever they're called Ticket prices Saturation of tv coverage I could honestly go on... “The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded an entirely non-white side is something we should be ashamed of.” You are the one who should be ashamed for that statement. agree and brave to say 👊🏽 |
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Post by Corbray on May 13, 2024 6:43:50 GMT
A number of reasons. Sky taking the game over, middle class twats 'discovering' the sport and the cultural genocide that followed... Corrupt organisations. It is a non contact sport now VAR Teams with squads from anywhere rather than somewhere: The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded a complete non-English and/or non-white side is something we should be ashamed of, not proud. Modern 'fans' cosplaying football fans The fact that every match has to be hyped to be a big occasion Podcasts and blogs by middle class twats for middle class twats The loan market The way people now see the football club they support/'support' as an extension of their personality and give it far too great an importance The forced/choreography of modern fan groups INCLUDING the Loft Boys or whatever they're called Ticket prices Saturation of tv coverage I could honestly go on... “The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded an entirely non-white side is something we should be ashamed of.” You are the one who should be ashamed for that statement. it's a disgusting thing to say especially so considering that there are POC on this forum. but i suppose they're one of the rare 'good ones' in oldr's eyes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 6:56:59 GMT
A number of reasons. Sky taking the game over, middle class twats 'discovering' the sport and the cultural genocide that followed... Corrupt organisations. It is a non contact sport now VAR Teams with squads from anywhere rather than somewhere: The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded a complete non-English and/or non-white side is something we should be ashamed of, not proud. Modern 'fans' cosplaying football fans The fact that every match has to be hyped to be a big occasion Podcasts and blogs by middle class twats for middle class twats The loan market The way people now see the football club they support/'support' as an extension of their personality and give it far too great an importance The forced/choreography of modern fan groups INCLUDING the Loft Boys or whatever they're called Ticket prices Saturation of tv coverage I could honestly go on... “The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded an entirely non-white side is something we should be ashamed of.” You are the one who should be ashamed for that statement. You don't think there was anything wrong with Les alledgedly forcing previous managers to sign black players over white....? As Ive said before, if you could only see the NDA former managers signed in the last 3 -5 years of Les' reign.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 6:58:16 GMT
“The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded an entirely non-white side is something we should be ashamed of.” You are the one who should be ashamed for that statement. it's a disgusting thing to say especially so considering that there are POC on this forum. but i suppose they're one of the rare 'good ones' in oldr's eyes. You don't think we have old school black fans who found our 'diversity' a problem? 🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 6:59:45 GMT
A number of reasons. Sky taking the game over, middle class twats 'discovering' the sport and the cultural genocide that followed... Corrupt organisations. It is a non contact sport now VAR Teams with squads from anywhere rather than somewhere: The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded a complete non-English and/or non-white side is something we should be ashamed of, not proud. Modern 'fans' cosplaying football fans The fact that every match has to be hyped to be a big occasion Podcasts and blogs by middle class twats for middle class twats The loan market The way people now see the football club they support/'support' as an extension of their personality and give it far too great an importance The forced/choreography of modern fan groups INCLUDING the Loft Boys or whatever they're called Ticket prices Saturation of tv coverage I could honestly go on... Why are you back on here? Honestly your posts make it clear you hate modern football, including the club you once supported, so why waste your time posting on message boards about it? Surely you have better things to do? Free country isn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 7:08:32 GMT
“The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded an entirely non-white side is something we should be ashamed of.” You are the one who should be ashamed for that statement. agree and brave to say 👊🏽 I was braver for saying aloud what many people think but won't say... There's nothing stunningly brave about stainrodisalegend posting what he did... |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 7:33:51 GMT
Why are you back on here? Honestly your posts make it clear you hate modern football, including the club you once supported, so why waste your time posting on message boards about it? Surely you have better things to do? Free country isn't it? Actually that deserves a better reply .. I have bailed out on the business that call themselves QPR but are a tribute act to the club that existed with that name but who died when the rich boys took over. I'm not going to comment on the latest matches because I won't watch them. I won't pretend to have any valid opinion of any performance - whether a player or a manager - because I wont watch any matches. However, I still love the history of QPR and will continue to offer thoughts and opinions and contribute in debates about this. I wont let bollocks posted about our history pass by without challenging. I also care, passionately, how the business masquerading as QPR act whilst using that name and will offer thoughts and opinions on that too... |
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Post by Corbray on May 13, 2024 7:58:26 GMT
it's a disgusting thing to say especially so considering that there are POC on this forum. but i suppose they're one of the rare 'good ones' in oldr's eyes. You don't think we have old school black fans who found our 'diversity' a problem? 🤔 are those the 'good ones' among the black community? you said that we/england could field a team of black players as though it was some travesty. why is that? |
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Post by West Acton on May 13, 2024 8:06:10 GMT
agree and brave to say 👊🏽 I was braver for saying aloud what many people think but won't say... There's nothing stunningly brave about stainrodisalegend posting what he did... there is imo and he trumps you 👍🏽 |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 8:25:53 GMT
You don't think we have old school black fans who found our 'diversity' a problem? 🤔 are those the 'good ones' among the black community? you said that we/england could field a team of black players as though it was some travesty. why is that? If you genuinely want to know why I think what I do it is 1) Over representation. The Population of England is 89% white. 2) The Norman Tebbit 'cricket test'. Take, for example, Wilfred Zaha who always considered him self to be Ivorian and only opted to play for England because of how it was enhance his career/profile. How many players with mixed heritage - white or black - genuinely feel proud to be English and wear the shirt with pride and how many for career aspirations. 3) We live in an age where some people have deemed it necessary to promote based on colour rather than merit and this is something I believe happens in football. Also, as a tangent, it is racist to suggest, as you allude to, that all Black people should think the same... |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 8:27:14 GMT
I was braver for saying aloud what many people think but won't say... There's nothing stunningly brave about stainrodisalegend posting what he did... there is imo and he trumps you 👍🏽 Not really, there's nothing brave in not challenging an accepted opinion... |
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Post by West Acton on May 13, 2024 9:02:47 GMT
there is imo and he trumps you 👍🏽 Not really, there's nothing brave in not challenging an accepted opinion... again imo there is nothing brave or to be achieved from your depths of bitterness. We have different thresholds of what bravery is and you clearly rate your own opinions way higher than I do and I would suspect others. I hope you find solace and happiness as to be as miserable and backwards as you come across in your posts can’t be much fun, but in the absence of a Time Machine I fear you won’t. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 9:15:05 GMT
Not really, there's nothing brave in not challenging an accepted opinion... again imo there is nothing brave or to be achieved from your depths of bitterness. We have different thresholds of what bravery is and you clearly rate your own opinions way higher than I do and I would suspect others. I hope you find solace and happiness as to be as miserable and backwards as you come across in your posts can’t be much fun, but in the absence of a Time Machine I fear you won’t. No of course not.... It's far braver to accept the official mantra about what's good for us rather than put your hand up and say 'hang on a minute'... Far from miserable btw, rather enjoy life 👍 |
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Post by Corbray on May 13, 2024 9:21:48 GMT
are those the 'good ones' among the black community? you said that we/england could field a team of black players as though it was some travesty. why is that? If you genuinely want to know why I think what I do it is 1) Over representation. The Population of England is 89% white. 2) The Norman Tebbit 'cricket test'. Take, for example, Wilfred Zaha who always considered him self to be Ivorian and only opted to play for England because of how it was enhance his career/profile. How many players with mixed heritage - white or black - genuinely feel proud to be English and wear the shirt with pride and how many for career aspirations. 3) We live in an age where some people have deemed it necessary to promote based on colour rather than merit and this is something I believe happens in football. Also, as a tangent, it is racist to suggest, as you allude to, that all Black people should think the same... how can there be overrepresention in a sport so reliant on fine margins? why would any club play race politics when it comes to picking a team? wilfried zaha can do and think how he pleases as can everyone else. i'm sure everyone of a mixed heritage feels some affinity to their ancestral nation especially if they're the child of immigrants parents. there's nothing wrong with that as they undoubtedly feel love for their birth nation as well. also, when have i suggested that black people have some sort of hive mind? i poked fun at your logic as you come across as the sort of guy who thinks of POC as being beneath white people and as unbritish which is an archaic and miserable view to hold. as an aside to you being on this forum (you are of course welcome here) you've said numerous times that you want to tell stories etc and talk about the 'good ol days' of QPR. i beg to differ, it seems you more so want to read your own posts and put your own opinions above us mere peasants who aren't as enlightened about QPR as you. |
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Post by 2Loftus on May 13, 2024 9:48:40 GMT
Fuck me, just seen how this thread has developed.
Oldr, I have ignored your posts and not engaged with your comments for some considerable time.
You have this pathetic need to be right on all things at all times. You sneer at and demean others with different views, often with a disingenuous, patronising "...it's cool to have different views" comment.
Like a vacuous politician (that nob Trump comes to mind), you dodge, deflect and evade questions put to you about your views.
You seemingly have this need to be all things to all people on this board - the 'one true fan', appreciator of 'real football' (eg, the assertion that you don't watch any modern football, but historic football like Italia 90), a real ITK.
But your own vanity and self-aggrandising apart, your comment, “The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded an entirely non-white side is something we should be ashamed of” is a fucking disgrace.
You are the one who should be deeply ashamed for that statement.
Your 'answer' to Stainrod's post (that you should be ashamed of your non-white comment) was pathetic and evasive,
No evidence whatsoever - and totally irrelevant to Stainrod's point.
Yeah, like you have... fuck me. And again, totally irrelevant to Stainrod's point.
You are a racist.
You are a fucking dinosaur.
You may be Oldr - such a shame you're not Wisr...
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Post by Rangers77 on May 13, 2024 9:51:34 GMT
Advertising on shirts was the harbinger of doom.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 10:30:05 GMT
If you genuinely want to know why I think what I do it is 1) Over representation. The Population of England is 89% white. 2) The Norman Tebbit 'cricket test'. Take, for example, Wilfred Zaha who always considered him self to be Ivorian and only opted to play for England because of how it was enhance his career/profile. How many players with mixed heritage - white or black - genuinely feel proud to be English and wear the shirt with pride and how many for career aspirations. 3) We live in an age where some people have deemed it necessary to promote based on colour rather than merit and this is something I believe happens in football. Also, as a tangent, it is racist to suggest, as you allude to, that all Black people should think the same... how can there be overrepresention in a sport so reliant on fine margins? why would any club play race politics when it comes to picking a team? wilfried zaha can do and think how he pleases as can everyone else. i'm sure everyone of a mixed heritage feels some affinity to their ancestral nation especially if they're the child of immigrants parents. there's nothing wrong with that as they undoubtedly feel love for their birth nation as well. also, when have i suggested that black people have some sort of hive mind? i poked fun at your logic as you come across as the sort of guy who thinks of POC as being beneath white people and as unbritish which is an archaic and miserable view to hold. as an aside to you being on this forum (you are of course welcome here) you've said numerous times that you want to tell stories etc and talk about the 'good ol days' of QPR. i beg to differ, it seems you more so want to read your own posts and put your own opinions above us mere peasants who aren't as enlightened about QPR as you. So, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're happy for Zaha to not feel English but not happy for anyone to suggest that some players with mixed heritage may not play for England with Patrotic pride? How does that one work? Also, I consider brown people below white? Erm, not really... People in all colours can be great or twats that's why the best way is to take people as you find them. Me pointing out that some players with mixed heritage may not feel English - something YOU agree with - isn't racist its an observation and one I even make for that famous Rasta Declan Rice who, you may remember, is prone to the IRA songs.... And as I always say, if you don't like my opinions I'm cool with that. I'm not a politician seeking election. I'm not going to pretend to agree with you or anyone else if I don't. They'll be someone else along in a post or two with posts you do agree with 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 10:32:36 GMT
Fuck me, just seen how this thread has developed. Oldr, I have ignored your posts and not engaged with your comments for some considerable time. You have this pathetic need to be right on all things at all times. You sneer at and demean others with different views, often with a disingenuous, patronising "...it's cool to have different views" comment. Like a vacuous politician (that nob Trump comes to mind), you dodge, deflect and evade questions put to you about your views. You seemingly have this need to be all things to all people on this board - the 'one true fan', appreciator of 'real football' (eg, the assertion that you don't watch any modern football, but historic football like Italia 90), a real ITK. But your own vanity and self-aggrandising apart, your comment, “The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded an entirely non-white side is something we should be ashamed of” is a fucking disgrace. You are the one who should be deeply ashamed for that statement. Your 'answer' to Stainrod's post (that you should be ashamed of your non-white comment) was pathetic and evasive, No evidence whatsoever - and totally irrelevant to Stainrod's point. Yeah, like you have... fuck me. And again, totally irrelevant to Stainrod's point. You are a racist. You are a fucking dinosaur. You may be Oldr - such a shame you're not Wisr... Have never shied away from explaining why I believe what I do so think you must have me confused with someone else. As for "You have this pathetic need to be right on all things at all times". Are you saying that you post opinions that you don't believe in to fit in? How odd would it be if we harboured opinions we didn't think were right... |
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Post by West Acton on May 13, 2024 10:40:53 GMT
Fuck me, just seen how this thread has developed. Oldr, I have ignored your posts and not engaged with your comments for some considerable time. You have this pathetic need to be right on all things at all times. You sneer at and demean others with different views, often with a disingenuous, patronising "...it's cool to have different views" comment. Like a vacuous politician (that nob Trump comes to mind), you dodge, deflect and evade questions put to you about your views. You seemingly have this need to be all things to all people on this board - the 'one true fan', appreciator of 'real football' (eg, the assertion that you don't watch any modern football, but historic football like Italia 90), a real ITK. But your own vanity and self-aggrandising apart, your comment, “The fact that we could in recent seasons have fielded an entirely non-white side is something we should be ashamed of” is a fucking disgrace. You are the one who should be deeply ashamed for that statement. Your 'answer' to Stainrod's post (that you should be ashamed of your non-white comment) was pathetic and evasive, No evidence whatsoever - and totally irrelevant to Stainrod's point. Yeah, like you have... fuck me. And again, totally irrelevant to Stainrod's point. You are a racist. You are a fucking dinosaur. You may be Oldr - such a shame you're not Wisr... 👏🏽👏🏽 very well put Loftus |
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Post by West Acton on May 13, 2024 10:48:28 GMT
Declan rice represented Ireland at U21 level as did Jack Grielish at youth. Do they meet the threshold to play for England? Michael Owen was allegedly born in Wales but chose England did you object to him?
What’s the problem the player or the colour?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 10:54:52 GMT
Declan rice represented Ireland at U21 level as did Jack Grielish at youth. Do they meet the threshold to play for England? Michael Owen was allegedly born in Wales but chose England did you object to him? What’s the problem the player or the colour? Erm, I've already covered Rice above and I do have an issue with him supporting the IRA and playing for England... Maybe read what is being said rather than having a knee jerk... |
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Post by Corbray on May 13, 2024 10:58:41 GMT
how can there be overrepresention in a sport so reliant on fine margins? why would any club play race politics when it comes to picking a team? wilfried zaha can do and think how he pleases as can everyone else. i'm sure everyone of a mixed heritage feels some affinity to their ancestral nation especially if they're the child of immigrants parents. there's nothing wrong with that as they undoubtedly feel love for their birth nation as well. also, when have i suggested that black people have some sort of hive mind? i poked fun at your logic as you come across as the sort of guy who thinks of POC as being beneath white people and as unbritish which is an archaic and miserable view to hold. as an aside to you being on this forum (you are of course welcome here) you've said numerous times that you want to tell stories etc and talk about the 'good ol days' of QPR. i beg to differ, it seems you more so want to read your own posts and put your own opinions above us mere peasants who aren't as enlightened about QPR as you. So, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're happy for Zaha to not feel English but not happy for anyone to suggest that some players with mixed heritage may not play for England with Patrotic pride? How does that one work? Also, I consider brown people below white? Erm, not really... People in all colours can be great or twats that's why the best way is to take people as you find them. Me pointing out that some players with mixed heritage may not feel English - something YOU agree with - isn't racist its an observation and one I even make for that famous Rasta Declan Rice who, you may remember, is prone to the IRA songs.... And as I always say, if you don't like my opinions I'm cool with that. I'm not a politician seeking election. I'm not going to pretend to agree with you or anyone else if I don't. They'll be someone else along in a post or two with posts you do agree with 👍 players who pull on the shirt do so for different reasons, what matters is how they perform on the pitch. our very own bobby zamora was noted for not liking football and seeing it more as a job yet he looked very happy when he scored the goal that sent us up. in terms of the england squad i imagine most of the players who pull the shirt on are very proud to do so, it's really a non issue that you are putting way too much thought into. and i'll call a spade a spade, if someone points out that we could have fielded an entirely black starting 11 as though it's some tragic injustice to the club then i'll point out how racist their disposition is. doesn't matter what colour someone's skin or religion is so long as they play well and give their all. why is it such an issue to you what colour someone's skin is? it clearly bothers you. |
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Post by West Acton on May 13, 2024 11:02:19 GMT
Thoughts on John Terry turning his back on his country?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 11:07:02 GMT
So, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're happy for Zaha to not feel English but not happy for anyone to suggest that some players with mixed heritage may not play for England with Patrotic pride? How does that one work? Also, I consider brown people below white? Erm, not really... People in all colours can be great or twats that's why the best way is to take people as you find them. Me pointing out that some players with mixed heritage may not feel English - something YOU agree with - isn't racist its an observation and one I even make for that famous Rasta Declan Rice who, you may remember, is prone to the IRA songs.... And as I always say, if you don't like my opinions I'm cool with that. I'm not a politician seeking election. I'm not going to pretend to agree with you or anyone else if I don't. They'll be someone else along in a post or two with posts you do agree with 👍 players who pull on the shirt do so for different reasons, what matters is how they perform on the pitch. our very own bobby zamora was noted for not liking football and seeing it more as a job yet he looked very happy when he scored the goal that sent us up. in terms of the england squad i imagine most of the players who pull the shirt on are very proud to do so, it's really a non issue that you are putting way too much thought into. and i'll call a spade a spade, if someone points out that we could have fielded an entirely black starting 11 as though it's some tragic injustice to the club then i'll point out how racist their disposition is. doesn't matter what colour someone's skin or religion is so long as they play well and give their all. why is it such an issue to you what colour someone's skin is? it clearly bothers you. Zaha, who we have mentioned, admitted he had no pride putting the England shirt so its not as black and white (Pardon the unintentional pun) as you claim. Again? Why can't you accept the nuances and insist on trying to paint a picture which you even admit does not necessarily exist? Yep, I wouldn't support an all Black England or QPR team: the former because I would have significant concerns about the loyalty and the latter because it was, I am led to belive by well placed sources, something Les set out to achieve. Social engineering does not belong at a Football Club or any professional environment. And, do you know what? You can think it's racist or not. I'm not going to lose any sleep either way. These are my opinions and you can agree with them or not 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 11:11:37 GMT
Thoughts on John Terry turning his back on his country? Honestly? I thought he was right to. Let's remember the key facts here. No one on the pitch heard what he was alleged to have said, not even Anton Ferdinand. The 'case' started because a QPR fan watching on TV alerted the Police He was found Not Guilty in court and that should have been the end of the matter. John Terry is an unlikeable person but in the eyes of the law this isn't a crime and he should never have been found guilty by the FA or put on investigation once the law had established no guilt... |
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Post by hal9thou on May 13, 2024 11:12:20 GMT
Massive media rights money (ie Sky) changed absolutely everything.
EPL gained a global audience at the expense of the local and traditional culture which created English football. It turned agents into hugely powerful individuals with deeply problematic ramifications. I could go on.
On the other hand, the overall quality of football at the top level has improved, although that could be down to diet, fitness and so on.
On the off topic stuff, I'd just like to point out that none of us will have seen club NDAs unless we negotiated them or were party to them. By their very nature, they tend not to be passed around with the port.
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Post by West Acton on May 13, 2024 11:25:59 GMT
But different burden of proof between court ( beyond all doubt) and FA (reasonable belief) of which he was found guilty.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 11:26:16 GMT
Massive media rights money (ie Sky) changed absolutely everything. EPL gained a global audience at the expense of the local and traditional culture which created English football. It turned agents into hugely powerful individuals with deeply problematic ramifications. I could go on. On the other hand, the overall quality of football at the top level has improved, although that could be down to diet, fitness and so on. On the off topic stuff, I'd just like to point out that none of us will have seen club NDAs unless we negotiated them or were party to them. By their very nature, they tend not to be passed around with the port. "EPL gained a global audience at the expense of the local and traditional culture which created English football" As I said above it was cultural genocide and those who instigated it or embraced it should never be forgiven. |
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