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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 11:29:27 GMT
But different burden of proof between court ( beyond all doubt) and FA (reasonable belief) of which he was found guilty. And yet the FA went against their own rules which acknowledge the supremacy of the Law courts... Unlikeable as he is, I find it hard to accept wichhunts. |
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Post by Corbray on May 13, 2024 11:41:31 GMT
players who pull on the shirt do so for different reasons, what matters is how they perform on the pitch. our very own bobby zamora was noted for not liking football and seeing it more as a job yet he looked very happy when he scored the goal that sent us up. in terms of the england squad i imagine most of the players who pull the shirt on are very proud to do so, it's really a non issue that you are putting way too much thought into. and i'll call a spade a spade, if someone points out that we could have fielded an entirely black starting 11 as though it's some tragic injustice to the club then i'll point out how racist their disposition is. doesn't matter what colour someone's skin or religion is so long as they play well and give their all. why is it such an issue to you what colour someone's skin is? it clearly bothers you. Zaha, who we have mentioned, admitted he had no pride putting the England shirt so its not as black and white (Pardon the unintentional pun) as you claim. Again? Why can't you accept the nuances and insist on trying to paint a picture which you even admit does not necessarily exist? Yep, I wouldn't support an all Black England or QPR team: the former because I would have significant concerns about the loyalty and the latter because it was, I am led to belive by well placed sources, something Les set out to achieve. Social engineering does not belong at a Football Club or any professional environment. And, do you know what? You can think it's racist or not. I'm not going to lose any sleep either way. These are my opinions and you can agree with them or not 👍 significant doubts about their loyalty ... what?? do you not realise how stupidly outdated you sound characterising and entire race of people. as i said before there are POC on this forum but i guess according to your logic their loyalty and love for the club should be questioned despite their years of following the club. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 11:50:28 GMT
Zaha, who we have mentioned, admitted he had no pride putting the England shirt so its not as black and white (Pardon the unintentional pun) as you claim. Again? Why can't you accept the nuances and insist on trying to paint a picture which you even admit does not necessarily exist? Yep, I wouldn't support an all Black England or QPR team: the former because I would have significant concerns about the loyalty and the latter because it was, I am led to belive by well placed sources, something Les set out to achieve. Social engineering does not belong at a Football Club or any professional environment. And, do you know what? You can think it's racist or not. I'm not going to lose any sleep either way. These are my opinions and you can agree with them or not 👍 significant doubts about their loyalty ... what?? do you not realise how stupidly outdated you sound characterising and entire race of people. as i said before there are POC on this forum but i guess according to your logic their loyalty and love for the club should be questioned despite their years of following the club. We're going around in circles but just to clarify.... 1) Zara admitted that he didn't feel pride playing for England 2) it's wrong, according to you, to point out that some players with mixed heritage MAY not feel much or any pride playing for England despite testimony which confirms this And please point out where I said anything about black QPR fans... some of our best served in C Mob... Again? Do you feel you can or have a right to speak for every black person? Do you feel all black people think and feel the same? Do you believe, for example, that every black person supports BLM or England taking a knee? If you're uncomfortable talking about race then don't but it's a far more nuanced subject than you seem to understand.... |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on May 13, 2024 12:04:08 GMT
Why are you back on here? Honestly your posts make it clear you hate modern football, including the club you once supported, so why waste your time posting on message boards about it? Surely you have better things to do? Free country isn't it? I mean, whatever floats your boat and all that. I just find it odd that someone would devote so much time focusing on something they dislike that's all. Maybe you don't have better things to do other than be all controversial and stuff on a message board, it's cool. Like I said, whatever floats your boat. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 12:08:21 GMT
I mean, whatever floats your boat and all that. I just find it odd that someone would devote so much time focusing on something they dislike that's all. Maybe you don't have better things to do other than be all controversial and stuff on a message board, it's cool. Like I said, whatever floats your boat. I did give a more serious answer further along 👍 |
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Post by Corbray on May 13, 2024 12:16:17 GMT
significant doubts about their loyalty ... what?? do you not realise how stupidly outdated you sound characterising and entire race of people. as i said before there are POC on this forum but i guess according to your logic their loyalty and love for the club should be questioned despite their years of following the club. We're going around in circles but just to clarify.... 1) Zara admitted that he didn't feel pride playing for England 2) it's wrong, according to you, to point out that some players with mixed heritage MAY not feel much or any pride playing for England despite testimony which confirms this And please point out where I said anything about black QPR fans... some of our best served in C Mob... Again? Do you feel you can or have a right to speak for every black person? Do you feel all black people think and feel the same? Do you believe, for example, that every black person supports BLM or England taking a knee? If you're uncomfortable talking about race then don't but it's a far more nuanced subject than you seem to understand.... 1) i dont care about zaha's or other players views, it's their right and what counts is what they do on the pitch. how can you not wrap your head around what i've said about POC? you questioned their loyalty, i pointed out that if you hold that belief about them then it also must apply to all. the black guys serving in C-mob must be part of the 'good ones' then so you're just validating the earlier accusations that i made. they proved to you that they cared and that's the standard you hold for POC. you've brought up declan rice as an example but it's a fallacy you're using to uphold your position regarding POC playing for england. it doesn't support your claim because EVERYONE should be judged as an individual, not all grouped together. jog on with your racist beliefs, try and cover and spin them however you want but the simple fact of the matter is you wouldn't support an 11 made up of black players simply because ... they're black. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 12:20:29 GMT
We're going around in circles but just to clarify.... 1) Zara admitted that he didn't feel pride playing for England 2) it's wrong, according to you, to point out that some players with mixed heritage MAY not feel much or any pride playing for England despite testimony which confirms this And please point out where I said anything about black QPR fans... some of our best served in C Mob... Again? Do you feel you can or have a right to speak for every black person? Do you feel all black people think and feel the same? Do you believe, for example, that every black person supports BLM or England taking a knee? If you're uncomfortable talking about race then don't but it's a far more nuanced subject than you seem to understand.... 1) i dont care about zaha's or other players views, it's their right and what counts is what they do on the pitch. how can you not wrap your head around what i've said about POC? you questioned their loyalty, i pointed out that if you hold that belief about them then it also must apply to all. the black guys serving in C-mob must be part of the 'good ones' then so you're just validating the earlier accusations that i made. they proved to you that they cared and that's the standard you hold for POC. you've brought up declan rice as an example but it's a fallacy you're using to uphold your position regarding POC playing for england. it doesn't support your claim because EVERYONE should be judged as an individual, not all grouped together. jog on with your racist beliefs, try and cover and spin them however you want but the simple fact of the matter is you wouldn't support an 11 made up of black players simply because ... they're black. So you don't care that Zara said he had no pride playing for England but its racist to say some players with Mixed heritage may not have pride playing for England 😂 Can you just call me a Nazi so I can claim Godwin's Law and we can all move on 👍 You're too wrapped up in not trying to offend when there are plenty of black people who agree with me. Give your head a wobble 👍 |
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Post by Corbray on May 13, 2024 13:33:20 GMT
1) i dont care about zaha's or other players views, it's their right and what counts is what they do on the pitch. how can you not wrap your head around what i've said about POC? you questioned their loyalty, i pointed out that if you hold that belief about them then it also must apply to all. the black guys serving in C-mob must be part of the 'good ones' then so you're just validating the earlier accusations that i made. they proved to you that they cared and that's the standard you hold for POC. you've brought up declan rice as an example but it's a fallacy you're using to uphold your position regarding POC playing for england. it doesn't support your claim because EVERYONE should be judged as an individual, not all grouped together. jog on with your racist beliefs, try and cover and spin them however you want but the simple fact of the matter is you wouldn't support an 11 made up of black players simply because ... they're black. So you don't care that Zara said he had no pride playing for England but its racist to say some players with Mixed heritage may not have pride playing for England 😂 Can you just call me a Nazi so I can claim Godwin's Law and we can all move on 👍 You're too wrapped up in not trying to offend when there are plenty of black people who agree with me. Give your head a wobble 👍 no issue whatsoever about zaha's personal beliefs. but yes, you've got me. me seeing everyone as equal and questioning your "no blacks 11" statement is just me not wanting to offend and nothing at all to do with that being an inherently racist statement. why would i call you a nazi? i don't think you're a nazi, just a bit of a twat who gets off to his own farts tbh. i like your little use of the buzzwords you've seen on reddit though, very intellectual of you to bring up godwins law. it doesn't dismiss anything that i've disagreed with you on. |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 13, 2024 13:38:54 GMT
Thoughts on John Terry turning his back on his country? Honestly? I thought he was right to. Let's remember the key facts here. No one on the pitch heard what he was alleged to have said, not even Anton Ferdinand. The 'case' started because a QPR fan watching on TV alerted the Police He was found Not Guilty in court and that should have been the end of the matter. John Terry is an unlikeable person but in the eyes of the law this isn't a crime and he should never have been found guilty by the FA or put on investigation once the law had established no guilt... Youre always banging on about old footage so find some old footage of Terry and you will CLEARLY see what he said - he knows we know what he said and he can laugh all the way to the bank in comparison to the average fan but don’t say it didn’t get to him. You needed to be at Villa to see his reaction to Rs fans reminding him it wasn’t forgotten, right Westy? |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on May 13, 2024 13:41:21 GMT
Honestly? I thought he was right to. Let's remember the key facts here. No one on the pitch heard what he was alleged to have said, not even Anton Ferdinand. The 'case' started because a QPR fan watching on TV alerted the Police He was found Not Guilty in court and that should have been the end of the matter. John Terry is an unlikeable person but in the eyes of the law this isn't a crime and he should never have been found guilty by the FA or put on investigation once the law had established no guilt... Youre always banging on about old footage so find some old footage of Terry and you will CLEARLY see what he said - he knows we know what he said and he can laugh all the way to the bank in comparison to the average fan but don’t say it didn’t get to him. You needed to be at Villa to see his reaction to Rs fans reminding him it wasn’t forgotten, right Westy? Gotta say it was 100% clear what he said. I remember saying it when the footage was on Match of the Day that evening, I turned to my mate and asked if he had said what I thought he said. You didn't have to be a lip reader to see that. The not guilty verdict was bollocks. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 14:24:26 GMT
Honestly? I thought he was right to. Let's remember the key facts here. No one on the pitch heard what he was alleged to have said, not even Anton Ferdinand. The 'case' started because a QPR fan watching on TV alerted the Police He was found Not Guilty in court and that should have been the end of the matter. John Terry is an unlikeable person but in the eyes of the law this isn't a crime and he should never have been found guilty by the FA or put on investigation once the law had established no guilt... Youre always banging on about old footage so find some old footage of Terry and you will CLEARLY see what he said - he knows we know what he said and he can laugh all the way to the bank in comparison to the average fan but don’t say it didn’t get to him. You needed to be at Villa to see his reaction to Rs fans reminding him it wasn’t forgotten, right Westy? You'll have to forgive me for not thinking that a man who played away in Turkey and all across Eastern Europe for club and country was that bothered or intimidated by a small QPR following singing at him. I know everyone wants to believe it and you will always insist that he was affected but I look at his career and think it highly doubtful. Did he say the words? Probably though his defence of why he said the words wasn't disproved. What I am saying, however, is that Anton Ferdinand didn't hear the words, not one other player heard the words and he was found not guilty in court. You can't have rules saying the law courts are supreme and then hold a kangaroo court. He was right to step away from the England team because of the FA's unprincipled overthrow of their own rules. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 14:29:46 GMT
So you don't care that Zara said he had no pride playing for England but its racist to say some players with Mixed heritage may not have pride playing for England 😂 Can you just call me a Nazi so I can claim Godwin's Law and we can all move on 👍 You're too wrapped up in not trying to offend when there are plenty of black people who agree with me. Give your head a wobble 👍 no issue whatsoever about zaha's personal beliefs. but yes, you've got me. me seeing everyone as equal and questioning your "no blacks 11" statement is just me not wanting to offend and nothing at all to do with that being an inherently racist statement. why would i call you a nazi? i don't think you're a nazi, just a bit of a twat who gets off to his own farts tbh. i like your little use of the buzzwords you've seen on reddit though, very intellectual of you to bring up godwins law. it doesn't dismiss anything that i've disagreed with you on. I've no issue with Zara's personal beliefs either but what I'm not saying is that it's racist to suggest that some players of mixed heritage don't feel pride playing for England when they have admitted this themselves.... And 'read on Reddit', eh? If the mud your chucking doesn't stick through some shit, eh? As I said, my opinion is my opinion and you don't have to like it but at least I've not invalidated my argument by contradicting it... |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 13, 2024 14:58:17 GMT
Youre always banging on about old footage so find some old footage of Terry and you will CLEARLY see what he said - he knows we know what he said and he can laugh all the way to the bank in comparison to the average fan but don’t say it didn’t get to him. You needed to be at Villa to see his reaction to Rs fans reminding him it wasn’t forgotten, right Westy? You'll have to forgive me for not thinking that a man who played away in Turkey and all across Eastern Europe for club and country was that bothered or intimidated by a small QPR following singing at him. I know everyone wants to believe it and you will always insist that he was affected but I look at his career and think it highly doubtful. Did he say the words? Probably though his defence of why he said the words wasn't disproved. What I am saying, however, is that Anton Ferdinand didn't hear the words, not one other player heard the words and he was found not guilty in court. You can't have rules saying the law courts are supreme and then hold a kangaroo court. He was right to step away from the England team because of the FA's unprincipled overthrow of their own rules. That’s the problem when you argue with someone who actually goes to matches. He was maybe 10 yards from me and he was riled up. You can imagine all you want but, as they say, I was there. |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 13, 2024 15:00:22 GMT
Thinking about it….Why are we all rising to this guy? Not what RFI is all about really.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 15:00:38 GMT
You'll have to forgive me for not thinking that a man who played away in Turkey and all across Eastern Europe for club and country was that bothered or intimidated by a small QPR following singing at him. I know everyone wants to believe it and you will always insist that he was affected but I look at his career and think it highly doubtful. Did he say the words? Probably though his defence of why he said the words wasn't disproved. What I am saying, however, is that Anton Ferdinand didn't hear the words, not one other player heard the words and he was found not guilty in court. You can't have rules saying the law courts are supreme and then hold a kangaroo court. He was right to step away from the England team because of the FA's unprincipled overthrow of their own rules. That’s the problem when you argue with someone who actually goes to matches. He was maybe 10 yards from me and he was riled up. You can imagine all you want but, as they say, I was there. You were there and you believe it happened, but as there is no video footage and we only have the word of a fanbase who are, if we're being honest, are obsessed with him I will have to judge the possibility on what I know about him and his career. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 15:01:42 GMT
Thinking about it….Why are we all rising to this? Not what RFI is all about really. I think you'll love this place if you want homogeneous thinking... loftforwords.fansnetwork.co.uk/forum/ |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 13, 2024 15:03:41 GMT
No thanks. Thought you said you were leaving the other day?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 15:08:00 GMT
No thanks. Thought you said you were leaving the other day? Please point me to where I said that. |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 13, 2024 15:17:02 GMT
Give me a minute…..
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 15:25:26 GMT
I've given you 7, do you need more time? |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 13, 2024 15:25:46 GMT
May 8th 2.20 “that’s me finished with QPR” although you did say you’d post on the history of the club - like we all give a shit. Instead, you carry on promoting yourself as the only person who knows anything about QPR and the game.
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Post by alanwycombe on May 13, 2024 15:26:31 GMT
I've given you 7, do you need more time? Jesus…..you really are a piece of work |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 15:34:54 GMT
May 8th 2.20 “that’s me finished with QPR” although you did say you’d post on the history of the club - like we all give a shit. Instead, you carry on promoting yourself as the only person who knows anything about QPR and the game. I've never once said anything like I'm the only person who knows anything about QPR or football in general, stop making bollocks up. I have always said that I have some opinions that you will love, some that you will hate and some that you won't care about either way and that's all. If I read something I think is bollocks I may post an opinion as to why I think it is. If I read something I agree with I may post such. This isn't Loft For Words, you will encounter different views and only one person runs to Stan compared to many who run to Clive on LFW... You don't like my opinions? Others are available 👍 |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 13, 2024 15:47:03 GMT
May 8th 2.20 “that’s me finished with QPR” although you did say you’d post on the history of the club - like we all give a shit. Instead, you carry on promoting yourself as the only person who knows anything about QPR and the game. I've never once said anything like I'm the only person who knows anything about QPR or football in general, stop making bollocks up. I have always said that I have some opinions that you will love, some that you will hate and some that you won't care about either way and that's all. If I read something I think is bollocks I may post an opinion as to why I think it is. If I read something I agree with I may post such. This isn't Loft For Words, you will encounter different views and only one person runs to Stan compared to many who run to Clive on LFW... You don't like my opinions? Others are available 👍 Just FYI I have never visited LFW and, as one of the people who has been here since day one, I don’t need you telling me about RFI. It was formed to get away from twats who spoilt the experience of reasonably exchanging views without all the brow beating. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 16:00:47 GMT
I've never once said anything like I'm the only person who knows anything about QPR or football in general, stop making bollocks up. I have always said that I have some opinions that you will love, some that you will hate and some that you won't care about either way and that's all. If I read something I think is bollocks I may post an opinion as to why I think it is. If I read something I agree with I may post such. This isn't Loft For Words, you will encounter different views and only one person runs to Stan compared to many who run to Clive on LFW... You don't like my opinions? Others are available 👍 Just FYI I have never visited LFW and, as one of the people who has been here since day one, I don’t need you telling me about RFI. It was formed to get away from twats who spoilt the experience of reasonably exchanging views without all the brow beating. I remember the reason for the creation of this site and the migration over to it and it certainly wasn't debates with conflicting views carried out in the manner I have conducted myself throughout the last couple of days.... |
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Post by West Acton on May 13, 2024 16:05:48 GMT
May 8th 2.20 “that’s me finished with QPR” although you did say you’d post on the history of the club - like we all give a shit. Instead, you carry on promoting yourself as the only person who knows anything about QPR and the game. I've never once said anything like I'm the only person who knows anything about QPR or football in general, stop making bollocks up. I have always said that I have some opinions that you will love, some that you will hate and some that you won't care about either way and that's all. If I read something I think is bollocks I may post an opinion as to why I think it is. If I read something I agree with I may post such. This isn't Loft For Words, you will encounter different views and only one person runs to Stan compared to many who run to Clive on LFW... You don't like my opinions? Others are available 👍 when you going post the opinions we love?? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 16:09:17 GMT
I've never once said anything like I'm the only person who knows anything about QPR or football in general, stop making bollocks up. I have always said that I have some opinions that you will love, some that you will hate and some that you won't care about either way and that's all. If I read something I think is bollocks I may post an opinion as to why I think it is. If I read something I agree with I may post such. This isn't Loft For Words, you will encounter different views and only one person runs to Stan compared to many who run to Clive on LFW... You don't like my opinions? Others are available 👍 when you going post the opinions we love?? 😂 |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on May 13, 2024 16:28:29 GMT
Thinking about it….Why are we all rising to this guy? Not what RFI is all about really. Think you are right Alan, and I now regret feeding the troll. He's probably better left to rot in his lonely flat with his Big Match DVDs, Panini stickers and British National Party posters. But I also thought that if left unchallenged then his statement that QPR should be ashamed for having a number of black players would turn this forum into one that myself and I suspect quite a few other regular posters would no longer want to be on. Just read through his follow-up posts now and he is clearly loving it, and trying to deflect from what he actually said. Les Ferdinand, Clive Wilson, Bob Hazel and Danny Shittu - the club should be ashamed for ever selecting them! He probably regrets us signing JCS. Maybe Jimmy Dunne too as he probably doesn't like the Irish. Oh no, wait, he doesn't have an opinion on them because he no longer even follows us. Its Stan and Brighton I feel sorry for. They have done a great job building a forum where QPR fans can argue and banter in a friendly way without self-important mods banning people every two minutes. But Fantasy Island does depend on everyone on it not behaving like an utter nob. They must be tearing their hair out when they read his racist crap which would have any casual reader or new poster just thinking "fuck this, I've got better things to do than talk to cave men." |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 13, 2024 16:32:52 GMT
The degree of self-importance is astonishing😂
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 16:51:36 GMT
Thinking about it….Why are we all rising to this guy? Not what RFI is all about really. Think you are right Alan, and I now regret feeding the troll. He's probably better left to rot in his lonely flat with his Big Match DVDs, Panini stickers and British National Party posters. But I also thought that if left unchallenged then his statement that QPR should be ashamed for having a number of black players would turn this forum into one that myself and I suspect quite a few other regular posters would no longer want to be on. Just read through his follow-up posts now and he is clearly loving it, and trying to deflect from what he actually said. Les Ferdinand, Clive Wilson, Bob Hazel and Danny Shittu - the club should be ashamed for ever selecting them! He probably regrets us signing JCS. Maybe Jimmy Dunne too as he probably doesn't like the Irish. Oh no, wait, he doesn't have an opinion on them because he no longer even follows us. Its Stan and Brighton I feel sorry for. They have done a great job building a forum where QPR fans can argue and banter in a friendly way without self-important mods banning people every two minutes. But Fantasy Island does depend on everyone on it not behaving like an utter nob. They must be tearing their hair out when they read his racist crap which would have any casual reader or new poster just thinking "fuck this, I've got better things to do than talk to cave men." How you getting on working out what match we were at home live on ITV or you happy to admit that you made that up? Can you read? Not being rude it's a genuine question as if you can you would have seen that I had reasons to believe Les Ferdinand was undertaking a social engineering at QPR which would see us with a black team... that's what I objected to with regards to QPR... Please check before throwing out accusations of BNP Membership.... |
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