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Post by Corbray on Feb 11, 2023 18:47:06 GMT
i understand where you're coming from and would agree 100% if we had just been extraordinarily unlucky in every game. fact of the matter is we've been absolute shite and that lies with the manager. we don't have a choice but to sack him imo. If I could I would just don’t think we can. He’s been shit and is sooooo uninspiring. i think we probably could afford it. we got what, 1.5m for beale? likely closer to 2m after he gutted our backroom staff out. normally a manager is paid up to 2/3 of his wages with a sacking and i highly doubt NC and his staff are on 1m a year between the 3 of them. as a side note have you heard anything about how much he's being paid? i think getting rid is absolutely crucial to our long term stability and progress. he's just not the right man for the job and thats nothing against him as a coach but i do believe we will be in a serious mess if we keep him onboard. maybe not this season but next season certainly and by the time we sack him it might be too late. |
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Post by The General on Feb 11, 2023 20:11:05 GMT
Is Chris Wilder still available
At least he is a proper manager
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 11, 2023 20:16:18 GMT
He’s never had a fully fit Willock, and many other first teamers are crocked.
Doubt we’re going to sack him so soon. Think he’ll have the summer and up to the October international break minimum.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 12, 2023 12:03:05 GMT
OP is asking the wrong question IMO.
As I say, it’s a fool’s game to continually treat the symptoms and never address the root cause.
The problems at QPR FC lay a lot higher than its latest iteration of 1st team coach. One needs to see the bigger picture.
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Post by Rangers77 on Feb 12, 2023 12:28:05 GMT
OP is asking the wrong question IMO. As I say, it’s a fool’s game to continually treat the symptoms and never address the root cause. The problems at QPR FC lay a lot higher than its latest iteration of 1st team coach. One needs to see the bigger picture. Of course. But Eel got this group of players to the top of the league. Largely assisted by Willock firing on all cylinders. Critchley, I fear, is part of the problem. Ten percent win ratio...... |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 12, 2023 12:28:34 GMT
I’m shocked no one’s said get jones in today 🤓
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 12, 2023 12:44:31 GMT
I’m shocked no one’s said get jones in today 🤓 As long as no one in the directors’ box reads this we’ll be ok….. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Feb 12, 2023 12:56:54 GMT
Not sure he'll turn it around with this lot but who is available that can ?
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 12, 2023 13:09:33 GMT
OP is asking the wrong question IMO. As I say, it’s a fool’s game to continually treat the symptoms and never address the root cause. The problems at QPR FC lay a lot higher than its latest iteration of 1st team coach. One needs to see the bigger picture. But there isn't just one "question". We have discussed to death on here FFP, lack of money, the director of football and injuries. I never suggested that getting rid of Critchley would solve all those other problems. He is one problem of many. But Critchley has got 5 points out of the last 25. Changing the manager is probably one of the few big things the club could change this season. So its a very legitimate question in my view to ask how many more matches are you prepared to see us not winning and still say "stick with Paul Daniels" and even half-praising him for apparently being a "draw specialist". He is currently on a 9 match winless run. If he is still winless after, say, 18 matches, would your view be "there are bigger problems at the club, stick with him?" Or does there come a point when the second worst managerial record in our club's history - already just very slightly better than Hartford's but worse than Hart's and Shteve's - has to be put out of its misery? |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 12, 2023 13:13:10 GMT
I’m shocked no one’s said get jones in today 🤓 Don't know what's more annoying tbh, histrionics from Jones or Critchely standing there with folded arms watching us gradually sink without a fighttowards the relegation zone. Jones might be a prize cunt but at least he would stir things up! |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 12, 2023 13:15:05 GMT
OP is asking the wrong question IMO. As I say, it’s a fool’s game to continually treat the symptoms and never address the root cause. The problems at QPR FC lay a lot higher than its latest iteration of 1st team coach. One needs to see the bigger picture. But there isn't just one "question". We have discussed to death on here FFP, lack of money, the director of football and injuries. I never suggested that getting rid of Critchley would solve all those other problems. He is one problem of many. But Critchley has got 5 points out of the last 25. Changing the manager is probably one of the few big things the club could change this season. So its a very legitimate question in my view to ask how many more matches are you prepared to see us not winning and still say "stick with Paul Daniels" and even half-praising him for apparently being a "draw specialist". He is currently on a 9 match winless run. If he is still winless after, say, 18 matches, would your view be "there are bigger problems at the club, stick with him?" Or does there come a point when the second worst managerial record in our club's history - already just very slightly better than Hartford's but worse than Hart's and Shteve's - has to be put out of its misery? It doesn't matter how many we loose, they are incapable of biting the bullet and if they do they always fuck it up. In that sense Stan is right - it's the big picture that's the problem. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 12, 2023 13:17:48 GMT
But there isn't just one "question". We have discussed to death on here FFP, lack of money, the director of football and injuries. I never suggested that getting rid of Critchley would solve all those other problems. He is one problem of many. But Critchley has got 5 points out of the last 25. Changing the manager is probably one of the few big things the club could change this season. So its a very legitimate question in my view to ask how many more matches are you prepared to see us not winning and still say "stick with Paul Daniels" and even half-praising him for apparently being a "draw specialist". He is currently on a 9 match winless run. If he is still winless after, say, 18 matches, would your view be "there are bigger problems at the club, stick with him?" Or does there come a point when the second worst managerial record in our club's history - already just very slightly better than Hartford's but worse than Hart's and Shteve's - has to be put out of its misery? It doesn't matter how many we loose, they are incapable of biting the bullet and if they do they always fuck it up. In that sense Stan is right - it's the big picture that's the problem. So even if it looks like we could get relegated? That's not big picture enough? When we sacked Hart it was because there was a real chance we could go down with him at the helm. I suggested earlier - why not sack him and make Les stand in the firing line for once as interim manager? |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 12, 2023 13:21:25 GMT
It doesn't matter how many we loose, they are incapable of biting the bullet and if they do they always fuck it up. In that sense Stan is right - it's the big picture that's the problem. So even if it looks like we could get relegated? That's not big picture enough? When we sacked Hart it was because there was a real chance we could go down with him at the helm. I suggested earlier - why not sack him and make Les stand in the firing line for once as interim manager? They are the big picture, and they wont do it. They wont pay out on his contract until its too late. I wouldn't have Les managing the corner shop. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 12, 2023 13:28:30 GMT
So even if it looks like we could get relegated? That's not big picture enough? When we sacked Hart it was because there was a real chance we could go down with him at the helm. I suggested earlier - why not sack him and make Les stand in the firing line for once as interim manager? They are the big picture, and they wont do it. They wont pay out on his contract until its too late. I wouldn't have Les managing the corner shop. Well in that case we might as well give up. We will probably do just about enough to stay up this season - tho we shouldn't take that for granted - but the torpor will hang over the club and that will go into pre-season. Les has already made clear there isn't going to be money for transfers in the summer, so if we are largely stuck with a used tea-bag as manager and a bunch of players who are psychologically (and in some cases physically) shot, then the following season we really will go down. But maybe League 1 is our natural place given budgets/ attendance etc. Just not sure I have the stomach for it this time and probably won' t bother with it. |
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Post by Bill on Feb 12, 2023 15:13:49 GMT
They are the big picture, and they wont do it. They wont pay out on his contract until its too late. I wouldn't have Les managing the corner shop. Well in that case we might as well give up. We will probably do just about enough to stay up this season - tho we shouldn't take that for granted - but the torpor will hang over the club and that will go into pre-season. Les has already made clear there isn't going to be money for transfers in the summer, so if we are largely stuck with a used tea-bag as manager and a bunch of players who are psychologically (and in some cases physically) shot, then the following season we really will go down. But maybe League 1 is our natural place given budgets/ attendance etc. Just not sure I have the stomach for it this time and probably won' t bother with it. What leads you to believe our board/owners care about the club that is the real question. Change the manager you still have the same lazy uninterested and bad attitude players. Problem is players here on loan who don't give a toss and one player who is on loan but hardly played,who we are allegedly signing. You could not make it up. Imo as I've said before this regime don't care and that attitude spreads like wildfire. They will flirt with relegation and eventually the club will fold,sell Loftus Rd and take the money. This I feel is their agenda since losing so much money in the clueless and redcrap days. You could put any capable manager in charge and nothing will change sadly. I don't blame Critchley,I blame the board and their lack of interest and football knowledge. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 12, 2023 16:09:01 GMT
Remember the not the most gifted sides we have had, journeyman, ltd ability but full of heart. I say get some free agent’s in, they will want to play as they out of work. Get some of these types in and fuck the im a championship player I’ve made it lot of
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Post by The General on Feb 12, 2023 17:04:17 GMT
I said that we should have appointed Wilder originally
And everyone turned their noses up at him
At least he is a farking proper manager with promotion to premier league
Bet some on here wish they had him now blimey
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 12, 2023 17:10:15 GMT
If you want to see what difference a proper manager makes to a squad keep an eye on Dyche. Everton’s squad not as bad as they have looked. First two games Arse and away to Liverpool - not ideal but I wouldn’t bet against them getting something tomorrow. Long term he won’t be delivering beautiful football but he’ll keep them up and leave a sound base for someone.
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Post by The General on Feb 12, 2023 17:17:27 GMT
Would give him a chance 5 more defeats or poor performances
That would be 15 poor games not getting any better
Think Wilder would have been a great appointment whether you like him or hate him
He would have demanded respect
Some people hated warnock when he arrived look how that turned out
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Post by The General on Feb 12, 2023 17:20:23 GMT
Fulham certainly appointed the right manager
Amazing turnaround now 8 in premier league
Not impossible is it if your appoint the correct person
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Post by 1973ranger on Feb 12, 2023 17:23:15 GMT
Fulham certainly appointed the right manager Amazing turnaround now 8 in premier league Not impossible is it if your appoint the correct person But we don't and have not since January 2015. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 13, 2023 13:04:53 GMT
OP is asking the wrong question IMO. As I say, it’s a fool’s game to continually treat the symptoms and never address the root cause. The problems at QPR FC lay a lot higher than its latest iteration of 1st team coach. One needs to see the bigger picture. Of course. But Eel got this group of players to the top of the league. Largely assisted by Willock firing on all cylinders. Critchley, I fear, is part of the problem. Ten percent win ratio...... Your first line I agree with and you make a bloody good point 77. Your second line, part of the problem perhaps, but not the intrinsic problem to the club as a whole. I stress again though that is just my personal opinion. I am fully aware that others here hold a different view, which is great as the whole purpose of this forum is the free exchange of views/ideas, all put across in good faith. |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 13, 2023 13:09:51 GMT
Critchley clearly wasn't the best qualified available manager / coach. The regime only functions on the cheap. So we ended up with him.
ie Stan and 77 are both right, but the root cause of all our problems lie in the boardroom.
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Post by coneysboots on Feb 13, 2023 13:23:54 GMT
But it will turn out to be a false economy. It's cheap if he stays the full three and a half years. It's fucking expensive if you have to pay him off after four months, and hire someone more expensive.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Feb 13, 2023 13:24:03 GMT
Critchley clearly wasn't the best qualified available manager / coach. The regime only functions on the cheap. So we ended up with him. ie Stan and 77 are both right, but the root cause of all our problems lie in the boardroom. But all you guys saying the problems are deeper - fair enough - are not answering my question. We have had 9 winless games - would 18 winless games be OK to keep Critchley because (by this logic) none of it would be his fault? 36 winless games? Given that none of the other factors are going to change this season anyway, are you happy to stick with Critchley? I mean, I get the other issues but the fact remains that virtually the same group of players were top in Oct, and are now 16th and falling like a stone. Will Critchley never be held accountable because fans dislike the DoF or the board even more? |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 13, 2023 13:31:51 GMT
Stains, with specific regard to your question, I would concur with Loftus below, fwiw: He’s never had a fully fit Willock, and many other first teamers are crocked. Doubt we’re going to sack him so soon. Think he’ll have the summer and up to the October international break minimum. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 13, 2023 13:39:44 GMT
Problem is how long do u wait for a fit squad for him. There’s fitter folk on the bloody transplant list than we have
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Post by Bill on Feb 13, 2023 14:49:11 GMT
Critchley clearly wasn't the best qualified available manager / coach. The regime only functions on the cheap. So we ended up with him. ie Stan and 77 are both right, but the root cause of all our problems lie in the boardroom. Corberan was available so that confirms that. Assuming he would come to us. Cheap,cheap cheap. |
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Post by Bill on Feb 13, 2023 14:59:50 GMT
Critchley clearly wasn't the best qualified available manager / coach. The regime only functions on the cheap. So we ended up with him. ie Stan and 77 are both right, but the root cause of all our problems lie in the boardroom. But all you guys saying the problems are deeper - fair enough - are not answering my question. We have had 9 winless games - would 18 winless games be OK to keep Critchley because (by this logic) none of it would be his fault? 36 winless games? Given that none of the other factors are going to change this season anyway, are you happy to stick with Critchley? I mean, I get the other issues but the fact remains that virtually the same group of players were top in Oct, and are now 16th and falling like a stone. Will Critchley never be held accountable because fans dislike the DoF or the board even more? When half the team down tools and are not fit despite what Lf says no manager is going to get results. Laird,Timmy,Roberts loans but crap,Chair if he passed would be great Dickie and Dunne laughable,Johanssen past it add the sick notes and not a lot can be done. I thought Matthew Rose was bad but some of this lot need flogging. |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 13, 2023 19:16:25 GMT
Critchley clearly wasn't the best qualified available manager / coach. The regime only functions on the cheap. So we ended up with him. ie Stan and 77 are both right, but the root cause of all our problems lie in the boardroom. But all you guys saying the problems are deeper - fair enough - are not answering my question. Think I did answer your question.... make no mistake, the board have to sanction senior appointments. And they very often get them wrong. So - Critchley was not the best qualified available manager. The board appointed him for reasons given above. And that is why they will not terminate his contract. We have a very average coaching set up, an incompetent board and a catastrophic DoF. How much more do you need? (And that's before we even get to the players...) |
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