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Post by Greg1882 on Aug 8, 2023 18:40:57 GMT
What this bloke fails to realise is despite creating such a wonderful team spirit, brothers in arms, dying for the badge blah blah blah over a decade the football on show was still absolutely fucking shit. Wycombe fans themselves now widely accept and recognise that fact. It’s outdated and it’s not going to work with this squad. The only way that works is by probably getting relegated and starting again and there would be pressure on him even in the league below that he would never have experienced. We aren’t fucking Wycombe |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 8, 2023 18:54:47 GMT
These therapists, shrinks etc not got a clue about football. Years ago my cousin was having a bash. He was quite up the chain with Arsenal. Anyway his bird was doing some sociology uni degree bollox. She sits there analysing us saying u fight at football because of this you because of that in your past etc. My cousin goes that bollox like your course, we just like hitting lads😀
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Post by Shania on Aug 8, 2023 19:20:54 GMT
These therapists, shrinks etc not got a clue about football. Years ago my cousin was having a bash. He was quite up the chain with Arsenal. Anyway his bird was doing some sociology uni degree bollox. She sits there analysing us saying u fight at football because of this you because of that in your past etc. My cousin goes that bollox like your course, we just like hitting lads😀 This was a very intelligent post. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 8, 2023 19:27:46 GMT
Thank you
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 8, 2023 19:51:52 GMT
Will Stanley’s nerves survive a Saturday away fro here😀 Actually I'm looking forward to the break and getting away from it all. Think Brights feels the same. Maybe it'll result in a shock win. We can hope at least! |
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 8, 2023 21:06:20 GMT
He should not survive if another drubbing is handed out to us at the weekend. Our football club is rotten from top to bottom and until we are rid of this group of players there will be no change. Critchley won 2 on the spin since going back to Blackpool the very same bloke that these shithouses downed tools on.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 8, 2023 22:07:28 GMT
93% predicting a loss on Saturday including myself. How depressing but unfortunately can't see anything other than. Honestly can't recall a time fan sentiment has been this low, especially at the start of a season. Depressing, as you say. Board won't act yet, but the pressure must be building. We have five more games before the transfer window shuts and the international break starts. Depending how they go that could well be a marker for Ruben and Amit. A much less likely scenario would be he's sacked if we lose heavily again on Saturday and they bring someone in in time to make any signings before the window shuts. We'll have played 10 games by the end of September, so that could be the other assessment time. If he survives all that then they'll look at if again in December and make a change in time for the January window if need be. That's never an ideal time to bring in a new manager though. So if they're going to make a change they should be decisive and make it earlier in the season. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Aug 8, 2023 22:13:23 GMT
Treated terribly at QPR but will put my hands up and say I didn't think he was the right man for the job at the time. Came across to meek and soft for me from what I saw on the outside and I didn't think these players needed mollycoddling, they needed a rocket up their arse and a dose of reality. In hindsight who knows what could have been but I don't think I'd change my opinion tbh. I actually wanted Critchley before we took Mick or now as he is known Michael Beale and when you look at his time with us he was unlucky in a couple of games and also injuries. Tactically better than our current manager but both have the misfortune of trying to coach these frauds and also trying to get that sicknote Clarke Salter on the pitch. If Ainsworth does go who the hell comes in next? Our board are clueless as are our recruitment team. Probably the biggest point that I think guarantees he won't be sacked. It can't all be these managers faults. GA is probably the weakest tactically out of the last 4 we've had but who can come in and pick these piss poor, powder puff, useless fucking players up? Plus he's on a 3.5 year contract. How many other contracts have we paid up in the last few years?! Fucking atrocious running of a football club. A total and utter shambles. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Aug 8, 2023 22:17:10 GMT
93% predicting a loss on Saturday including myself. How depressing but unfortunately can't see anything other than. Honestly can't recall a time fan sentiment has been this low, especially at the start of a season. Depressing, as you say. Board won't act yet, but the pressure must be building. We have five more games before the transfer window shuts and the international break starts. Depending how they go that could well be a marker for Ruben and Amit. A much less likely scenario would be he's sacked if we lose heavily again on Saturday and they bring someone in in time to make any signings before the window shuts.We'll have played 10 games by the end of September, so that could be the other assessment time. If he survives all that then they'll look at if again in December and make a change in time for the January window if need be. That's never an ideal time to bring in a new manager though. So if they're going to make a change they should be decisive and make it earlier in the season. Unlikely as you say as it means they'll be forced to spend which we know they absolutely don't want to do. A defeat on Saturday will be bad considering we're bottom but a heavy defeat makes things v v awkward for Ruben & Co. I know QPR fans are restless at the best of times but as you said, I've never known the feeling around the club to be so low and dark. It's like every fan actually knows we are going down as it's so bloody clear how shit we are and how poor the manager is and how terribly the clubs been run and its all come to a head!! |
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 8, 2023 22:26:54 GMT
The club really is leaderless right now as the recruitment should be booted out as their work is just lazy. Paal aside who Beale targetted who have they actually recruited who have been very good for us. The standards at the club are totally pitiful and that shows on the pitch where four managers have had the misfortune to watch these chancers just not try an inch. 12 years of total mismanaĝment results in us being relegated and potentially drifting into oblivion.
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Post by Shania on Aug 9, 2023 6:36:11 GMT
12 years without a qualified and independent( tolerates no interference from the Board) DOF has led us into this.
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Post by BrightonR on Aug 9, 2023 8:17:22 GMT
I’m obviously in the minority here, but feel we should give him the time he, or any other manager would need, to sort these wankers out.
Just read an article about the PL. 11 out of 20 clubs have had a managerial change since the start of last season. In total, there were 41 people managing PL clubs, some at different clubs. Changes don’t appear to have had a massive positive effect.
Whilst I had reservations about Warburton, particularly the opinion that he was generally never one to fully go for it, he did achieve progress throughout his tenure, albeit very slowly. Seems to me that many of you felt the same, but for some reason aren’t willing to afford the same degree of latitude to a guy who clearly loves this club. Many stated towards the end of last season that we were going down. We didn’t. We won’t this season either if he is allowed to do his job. How long would it be before those wishing he went would be calling for the head of any replacement?
What I will say though is he needs to be somewhat more realistic when giving interviews. I understand how he wants to try to keep the players onside, but as time has always told us, far better to upset them for a bit than the fan base.
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Post by 2Loftus on Aug 9, 2023 9:10:04 GMT
We haven't seen a full-strength team out on the pitch yet.
I think Gaz will be given the transfer window plus 2-3 months minimum.
Doubt he'll be at risk until at least the international breaks of October 9-17th and November 13-21st.
That said, I'm sure the board will be looking very hard at potential replacements already.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 9, 2023 10:09:19 GMT
But longer u leave it, more potential points lost, morale is all ready rock bottom going on another shit run will finish us for who ever takes over. Give the next new mug a fighting chance at least. You could give noddy the world and he still won’t do nothing with it
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Post by James1979 on Aug 9, 2023 10:46:28 GMT
He’ll be here all season no doubt in my mind. We’ll scrap to 20 points with the odd win and some dirty draws. At end of the season, it will be seen as satisfactory by Ainsworth, the club, Jeff Stelling, , Ian Holloway and certain people on other message boards. We’ll be told by them that this is all we should expect these days and we should be grateful to have such an experienced man as Ainsworth who “loves” the club. Yet most of us know different. We’re fucking qpr not the the Dog & Duck….not Wycombe either. We deserve better on and off the pitch. The question is will any of us have the bloody energy to complain anymore.
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Post by James1979 on Aug 9, 2023 10:48:10 GMT
I’m obviously in the minority here, but feel we should give him the time he, or any other manager would need, to sort these wankers out. Just read an article about the PL. 11 out of 20 clubs have had a managerial change since the start of last season. In total, there were 41 people managing PL clubs, some at different clubs. Changes don’t appear to have had a massive positive effect. Whilst I had reservations about Warburton, particularly the opinion that he was generally never one to fully go for it, he did achieve progress throughout his tenure, albeit very slowly. Seems to me that many of you felt the same, but for some reason aren’t willing to afford the same degree of latitude to a guy who clearly loves this club. Many stated towards the end of last season that we were going down. We didn’t. We won’t this season either if he is allowed to do his job. How long would it be before those wishing he went would be calling for the head of any replacement? What I will say though is he needs to be somewhat more realistic when giving interviews. I understand how he wants to try to keep the players onside, but as time has always told us, far better to upset them for a bit than the fan base. He’s had 14 games which is more than Critchley was given. He’s lost 9 of them. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 9, 2023 11:06:24 GMT
He’ll be here all season no doubt in my mind. We’ll scrap to 20 points with the odd win and some dirty draws. At end of the season, it will be seen as satisfactory by Ainsworth, the club, Jeff Stelling, , Ian Holloway and certain people on other message boards. We’ll be told by them that this is all we should expect these days and we should be grateful to have such an experienced man as Ainsworth who “loves” the club. Yet most of us know different. We’re fucking qpr not the the Dog & Duck….not Wycombe either. We deserve better on and off the pitch. The question is will any of us have the bloody energy to complain anymore. His remit from the board is to keep us up this season. If he achieves that it'll be deemed mission accomplished from their POV. GA's job will only be under threat if we're relegated or if there's an 80+% chance of that happening by end of Jan i.e. we're cut adrift up shit creek. This is now the extent of Ruben and Amit's ambition. |
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Post by Knocker on Aug 9, 2023 11:07:37 GMT
14 games. Scored 10 against 29.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 9, 2023 11:15:27 GMT
We adrift before season started
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Post by sparks on Aug 9, 2023 11:19:51 GMT
Agree with most of what you are saying Stan, but wasn’t Holloway given very similar remits of cutting costs and staying in the division and was still sacked albeit at the end of the season.
There was lots of discontent from the fans with Holloway and similarly now with Ainsworth.
It’s clear now that it looks like we need a few seasons of spending next to nothing to avoid FFP punishment but at this present time this team that Ainsworth has is far superior to what Holloway had so expectations are naturally higher.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 9, 2023 11:33:23 GMT
Agree with most of what you are saying Stan, but wasn’t Holloway given very similar remits of cutting costs and staying in the division and was still sacked albeit at the end of the season.There was lots of discontent from the fans with Holloway and similarly now with Ainsworth. It’s clear now that it looks like we need a few seasons of spending next to nothing to avoid FFP punishment but at this present time this team that Ainsworth has is far superior to what Holloway had so expectations are naturally higher. Different times, different degrees of ambition. Ferdinand and Fernandes have abandoned ship since then, plus purse strings have been tightened. Many £millions more have since been sunk into the club, mainly just to keep the lights on and pay the bills. Priorities seem to have changed too. Fans and investor bond scheme initiated. Recent reports of outside investors being courted etc etc. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 9, 2023 13:36:42 GMT
We could be relegated by Christmas imo, unless a lot of issues are sorted very soon.
We look poor all over the pitch at present.
One exception Bergovic maybe and i dont see Ainsworth being able to improve spirit,morale or the basics to survive in this tier.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 9, 2023 13:48:37 GMT
This with bells on, u can’t polish a turd however hard u try
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 9, 2023 14:04:53 GMT
Some would even argue with that!  |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 9, 2023 14:25:49 GMT
He’ll be here all season no doubt in my mind. We’ll scrap to 20 points with the odd win and some dirty draws. At end of the season, it will be seen as satisfactory by Ainsworth, the club, Jeff Stelling, , Ian Holloway and certain people on other message boards. We’ll be told by them that this is all we should expect these days and we should be grateful to have such an experienced man as Ainsworth who “loves” the club. Yet most of us know different. We’re fucking qpr not the the Dog & Duck….not Wycombe either. We deserve better on and off the pitch. The question is will any of us have the bloody energy to complain anymore. His remit from the board is to keep us up this season. If he achieves that it'll be deemed mission accomplished from their POV. GA's job will only be under threat if we're relegated or if there's an 80+% chance of that happening by end of Jan i.e. we're cut adrift up shit creek. This is now the extent of Ruben and Amit's ambition. how do we know that’s the remit of the board as no one has come out and said that. He’s promoting that position but not had that rhetoric from anyone aside from him. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 9, 2023 14:28:23 GMT
Get point about not having chance play best side (Thibk that relates to defence only)but he chose to play Kelman and Smyth ahead of Willock and Richards.
Those are his choices he clearly thibk/thought those two are better then the later which I think he’s probably in the minority on. His choice to do that so he has to own it
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 9, 2023 14:32:34 GMT
His remit from the board is to keep us up this season. If he achieves that it'll be deemed mission accomplished from their POV. GA's job will only be under threat if we're relegated or if there's an 80+% chance of that happening by end of Jan i.e. we're cut adrift up shit creek. This is now the extent of Ruben and Amit's ambition. how do we know that’s the remit of the board as no one has come out and said that. He’s promoting that position but not had that rhetoric from anyone aside from him. Call it an educated guess Westy, based on all we have witnessed. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 9, 2023 14:34:54 GMT
Well he hasn’t been told to win the title , water cow cup and fa for sure
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Post by West Acton on Aug 9, 2023 14:37:05 GMT
how do we know that’s the remit of the board as no one has come out and said that. He’s promoting that position but not had that rhetoric from anyone aside from him. Call it an educated guess Westy, based on all we have witnessed. in space of 12months we’ve gone from minimum expectation of play offs not being good enough to merely finishing 21st? I’m afraid I can’t accept that as the boards ambition. He’s set expectations from his interviews; perhaps he thought he was playing it down and taking pressure off but instead he’s totally deflated the ballon and disengaged the fan base. . Let’s not forget just matter of months ago he was saying we stay up and under him we won’t be in this position again. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 9, 2023 14:47:55 GMT
Call it an educated guess Westy, based on all we have witnessed. in space of 12months we’ve gone from minimum expectation of play offs not being good enough to merely finishing 21st? I’m afraid I can’t accept that as the boards ambition. He’s set expectations from his interviews; perhaps he thought he was playing it down and taking pressure off but instead he’s totally deflated the ballon and disengaged the fan base. . Let’s not forget just matter of months ago he was saying we stay up and under him we won’t be in this position again. I hope you're right that this isn't the current level of the board's ambition, but head tells me that's not the case. I get the distinct impression they are losing interest in taking the club any further forward, and are now doing the bare minimum to keep it afloat and in the division. Their QPR Holdings outside real estate interests; fans/investor bond scheme; courting outside investment; appointing a manager willing to work with zero budget - all seem to be indicators to back this up. |
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