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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 19, 2023 21:21:09 GMT
The thread is about English world class players anyway chaps.
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Post by sparks on Apr 19, 2023 21:25:38 GMT
Where was he against Italy in Euro final, same against France in the WC Didn’t you think some random Iraqi lad would be starting for us before the end of this season? No, I said should not would, but you obviously haven’t seen him play, he’s a decent prospect that’s already made a full international debut at 19.Two goals in the last 2 games for the B team, not bad for someone who is classed as DMF. Not my fault that Neil the hippy from the young ones won’t start him despite selecting him for the subs bench. Maybe we should bring back one of our previous players you called ‘class’ in fucking Jeff Hendricks |
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Post by MattyRangers on Apr 19, 2023 21:34:35 GMT
Didn’t you think some random Iraqi lad would be starting for us before the end of this season? No, I said should not would, but you obviously haven’t seen him play, he’s a decent prospect that’s already made a full international debut at 19.Two goals in the last 2 games for the B team, not bad for someone who is classed as DMF. Not my fault that Neil the hippy from the young ones won’t start him despite selecting him for the subs bench. Maybe we should bring back one of our previous players you called ‘class’ in fucking Jeff Hendricks Cor that’s a nibble 🤣 |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Apr 19, 2023 21:38:42 GMT
Didn’t you think some random Iraqi lad would be starting for us before the end of this season? No, I said should not would, but you obviously haven’t seen him play, he’s a decent prospect that’s already made a full international debut at 19.Two goals in the last 2 games for the B team, not bad for someone who is classed as DMF. Not my fault that Neil the hippy from the young ones won’t start him despite selecting him for the subs bench. Maybe we should bring back one of our previous players you called ‘class’ in fucking Jeff Hendricks You alright mate? |
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Post by Corbray on Apr 19, 2023 22:13:38 GMT
that doesnt mean others weren't world class. kaka wasn't as good as messi but he was still certainly world class at his peak Depends on the definition of world class i think of world class as being able to get into any team in the world. there's very few players who have that 'something else' that take them a step above world class. guys like messi, ronaldo, cruyff, pele and maradona are probably the only ones that fit that bracket but tbh its a bracket that favours attackers. there's a few others who could possibly break into that group one day though like haaland and possibly mbappe if he stops being a twat. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 20, 2023 8:53:55 GMT
Lampard,Kane, World class do me a favour
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Post by Corbray on Apr 20, 2023 9:29:01 GMT
that doesnt mean others weren't world class. kaka wasn't as good as messi but he was still certainly world class at his peak Depends on the definition of world class with lampard, 10 seasons where he got more than 10 goals, 5 of which he got 20+. PFA player of the year, PFA team of the year 3x, top assists 3 times, world team of the year, UEFA midfielder of the year, most goals from outside the box, chelseas record scorer with 200+ goals and runner up for a ballon d'or behind ronaldinho among other things. harry kane, 5x PFA team of the year, golden boot 3x, top goalscorer award, top assists a few times, spurs greatest ever player and has the highest goal % of any player in prem history not named aguerro or henry but has played in more games. g enuinely, how aren't they both world class players? all the pundits and former pro's agree that they both were/are. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 20, 2023 9:48:04 GMT
Not for me
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 20, 2023 9:58:37 GMT
Speaking of definitions, Geoff Hurst scored a hatrick in a world cup final. Because he did it on the biggest possible stage didn't necessarily make him world class though. As others have pointed out, there are other probably more accurate metrics (over multiple seasons) to go by.
Another example would be George Best who through his nationality never got to showcase his talents on the biggest stage, yet he clearly was world class.
Montenegrin Dejan Savicevic and Liberian George Weah are other examples.
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Post by West Acton on Apr 20, 2023 11:14:06 GMT
For me world class is someone who would be sort after by every club has ability to dictate and influence a game, turns up more often then they don’t and if they were available clubs would break bank to get.
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 20, 2023 12:10:22 GMT
Jude Bellingham already world class? Ticks those boxes above. Certainly going to be.
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Post by Corbray on Apr 20, 2023 12:21:30 GMT
Jude Bellingham already world class? Ticks those boxes above. Certainly going to be. maybe he is already but teams want him because he has the potential to be world class and his age. madrid signed vinicius jr for like €40m when he was only 17 as an example. he's world class now but probably wasn't initially and it took him a few years to really step up his game. |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 20, 2023 14:37:21 GMT
Jude Bellingham already world class? Ticks those boxes above. Certainly going to be. should probably add you have done it for extended period |
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Post by Bill on Apr 20, 2023 14:47:11 GMT
Longevity at highest level skill ,first touch ,passing ability,vision,goals scored assists,workrate.
Also the ability to change a game on a regular basis to your teams advantage at the highest level.eg champions league,World Cup.
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Post by Corbray on Apr 23, 2023 17:35:43 GMT
can this be expanded to world class british players? could heat up the debate a bit more imo.
from my generation i think bale was certainly world class for a good few years but what a fall from grace for him. spectacular in his final season at spurs though.
idk about robertson though, he's certainly had spells where he's been the best LB in the world.
my dad always rates dalgliesh as one of the top 3 most talented british players he's ever seen (alongside rooney and gazza). from the highlights i've seen of him he was certainly ahead of his time and one of the few players who could slip seamlessly into the modern style of strikers.
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Post by 1973ranger on Apr 23, 2023 19:02:32 GMT
Dalglish was playing the number 10 role in the 70's and 80's before it was a position. King Kenny was just that. Best, Bale, Giggs in his absolute pomp was in that conversation as was Roy Keane.
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Post by West Acton on Apr 23, 2023 19:09:13 GMT
I don’t think Bale was world class a very good player but inot top top
Best I would agree with.
How good was Liam Brady?
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Post by 1973ranger on Apr 23, 2023 19:27:28 GMT
I don’t think Bale was world class a very good player but inot top top Best I would agree with. How good was Liam Brady? Bale when he went to Madrid was for sure. Brady wand of a left foot and went to Juventus from Arsenal. Hoddle was as gifted a player as England ever had, Two footed as well. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 23, 2023 19:36:29 GMT
I don’t think Bale was world class a very good player but inot top top Best I would agree with. How good was Liam Brady? Bale when he went to Madrid was for sure. Brady wand of a left foot and went to Juventus from Arsenal. Hoddle was as gifted a player as England ever had, Two footed as well. Hoddle, Keegan, Brooking and Clemence were all in the Revie and Greenwood sides but they criminally under-utilised them (as they did with our very own Bowles). Had the spineless FA appointed Clough instead it could have been a very different story for us on the international stage. |
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Post by Corbray on May 3, 2023 14:09:52 GMT
jude bellingham set to sign for real madrid. some real good players in that madrid midfield (young and old) but i'd be surprised if he didn't become the best CM in the world in the next few years.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 3, 2023 16:06:52 GMT
Beth mead
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Post by Shania on May 3, 2023 19:23:55 GMT
How good was Frank Worthington? He must have been close to world class at least.
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Post by alanwycombe on May 3, 2023 20:02:20 GMT
How good was Frank Worthington? He must have been close to world class at least. He was brilliant but like most gifted players of that era he liked a good time. They were natural athletes otherwise they couldn’t have performed like they did but you can’t say any of them looked after themselves like today. |
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Post by Shania on May 3, 2023 20:14:22 GMT
How good was Frank Worthington? He must have been close to world class at least. He was brilliant but like most gifted players of that era he liked a good time. They were natural athletes otherwise they couldn’t have performed like they did but you can’t say any of them looked after themselves like today. Played for Leicester with Keith Weller and a very young Gary Lineker. |
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Post by Corbray on May 3, 2023 20:52:36 GMT
How good was Frank Worthington? He must have been close to world class at least. He was brilliant but like most gifted players of that era he liked a good time. They were natural athletes otherwise they couldn’t have performed like they did but you can’t say any of them looked after themselves like today. i've read that brian clough was a pioneer in professionalism, dieting and rehabing during his time at forest despite his larger than life personality. |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 3, 2023 21:45:48 GMT
Yes but he also used to buy beers and fish and chip suppers for the team bus. He didn’t train them to death either. If Forest had two or three games in quick succession he used to take the squad for a walk along the Trent and a cup of tea together. I’d say he was a halfway house between Roy of the Rovers and the modern game.
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Post by Stanley75 on May 3, 2023 23:08:52 GMT
i've read that brian clough was a pioneer in professionalism, dieting and rehabing during his time at forest despite his larger than life personality. Corbs, if you've never seen it, you should definitely watch "The Damned United", the biopic on Clough. It's a brilliant dramatization and insight into his genius. Rivetingly entertaining too. Covers his infamous bust ups at Leeds Utd and with Don Revie, then his rise to stardom and glory at Forest. |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 4, 2023 6:23:52 GMT
An excellent film and, from what was reported at the time, entirely accurate. Definitely worth a couple of hours of your life.
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Post by West Acton on May 4, 2023 6:41:50 GMT
An excellent film and, from what was reported at the time, entirely accurate. Definitely worth a couple of hours of your life. did his family not come out saying is was not accurate at all and disassociated themselves from it or was that another film/doc on him? |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 4, 2023 6:51:59 GMT
That was about his drinking. Peter Lorimer confirmed the stuff about him and Leeds’ players was all true.
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