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Post by West Acton on Apr 15, 2023 10:37:18 GMT
Good thread would actually be how many English players have been genuinely world class as it’s a terms given out far too often.
I would say Ashley Cole, Bobby Moore and Paul Scholes (Think that might cause debate) struggling after that.
Rooney?
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 15, 2023 10:40:55 GMT
Good thread would actually be how many English players have been genuinely world class as it’s a terms given out far too often. I would say Ashley Cole, Bobby Moore and Paul Scholes (Think that might cause debate) struggling after that. Rooney? Think that’s what’s quite exciting about the current set up. The likes of Gerrard and Beckham should have been world class but probably weren’t - whereas we have a few now who could become so, Saka and Bellingham being prob the two most obvs |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 15, 2023 10:41:57 GMT
Good thread would actually be how many English players have been genuinely world class as it’s a terms given out far too often. I would say Ashley Cole, Bobby Moore and Paul Scholes (Think that might cause debate) struggling after that. Rooney? Shilton |
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Post by Corbray on Apr 15, 2023 10:51:08 GMT
when i think of world class i view it as someone who could get into any team in the world and who can and regularly do change the game with a moment of brilliance.
there's been plenty of english players like that tbh. from my generation the best english players are probably: terry, ferdinand, cole, scholes, gerrard, lampard, rooney, shearer and kane just off the top of my head. there's probably a few others and a few more who could/should have been world class.
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Post by Shania on Apr 15, 2023 11:14:50 GMT
Gary Lineker was exceptional. He was world class.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 15, 2023 11:17:37 GMT
Keegan
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 15, 2023 11:24:48 GMT
In addition to those mentioned (except T*rry, who is excluded for obvious reasons)...
Gordon Banks
Jimmy Greaves
Bobby Charlton
Paul Gascoigne
And what about going back to black and white players.... Stanley Matthews, Tom Finney and possibly others?
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Post by West Acton on Apr 15, 2023 11:26:45 GMT
Good thread would actually be how many English players have been genuinely world class as it’s a terms given out far too often. I would say Ashley Cole, Bobby Moore and Paul Scholes (Think that might cause debate) struggling after that. Rooney? Shilton you think Shilton. I saw back end of career so maybe never saw best of him. |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 15, 2023 11:27:20 GMT
I was tempered suggest shearer Corbs
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 15, 2023 11:30:35 GMT
Gordan Banks certainly.
Gazza in his prime (pre-injury)
Hoddle was easily the most gifted English midfielder of his generation but never got much of a look in under Revie and Greenwood.
Greaves yes, just for his sheer prolificity in front of goal.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 15, 2023 11:30:42 GMT
It’s all reflective, one man’s prince is another man’s moaning ginger cant
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Post by Bill on Apr 15, 2023 11:32:42 GMT
Gary Lineker was exceptional. He was world class. Who big ears |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 15, 2023 11:32:51 GMT
you think Shilton. I saw back end of career so maybe never saw best of him. Clemence kept Shilton out of the team in the '70s and early '80s so by that yardstick you'd have to include Clemence. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 15, 2023 11:34:09 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 15, 2023 11:34:21 GMT
you think Shilton. I saw back end of career so maybe never saw best of him. Clemence kept Shilton out of the team in the '70s and early '80s so by that yardstick you'd have to include Clemence. Yes I would. Tough on Phil Parkes to have two great keepers around. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 15, 2023 11:41:21 GMT
None
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Post by Corbray on Apr 15, 2023 11:48:57 GMT
I was tempered suggest shearer Corbs i think the likes of shearer and even kane go under the radar a bit as they've either won no trophies or very few. kane i think is exceptional and would easily get 40+ goals/assists in a top top team |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 15, 2023 11:49:23 GMT
Kane not world class not even close
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 15, 2023 11:50:15 GMT
Kane not world class not even close his chin iis |
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Post by Corbray on Apr 15, 2023 13:47:37 GMT
Kane not world class not even close according to transfermarkt he has played 427 games, scored 273 and assisted 63 for spurs. thats pretty world class to me and a better overall record than other world class strikers like drogba for example. i think people underrate him coz there's something about him that just doesn't seem right in footballing terms but stats don't lie |
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Post by Greg1882 on Apr 15, 2023 14:47:21 GMT
Kane would score 25 goals a season in any top side in the world, not sure what else you’ve got to do to be a world class goal scorer
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 15, 2023 14:49:07 GMT
Win the Leland daf trophy
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Post by James1979 on Apr 15, 2023 16:34:13 GMT
In my lifetime, so about 86 onwards….
Gazza
Rio Ferdinand
Sol Campbell
Ashley Cole
I think of current crop: Saka, Bellingham, Foden and Grealish will become world class.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 15, 2023 16:41:05 GMT
Think Bellingham already is James. Extraordinary talent.
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Post by James1979 on Apr 15, 2023 16:41:47 GMT
Think Bellingham already is James. And Saka I think mate |
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Post by 72bus on Apr 18, 2023 23:59:02 GMT
Gazza was the last world class player we had imho.
Thought some of our midfielders were class until I saw xavi and iniesta
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Post by hubble on Apr 19, 2023 5:53:27 GMT
Gerry Francis.
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Post by MattyRangers on Apr 19, 2023 6:30:51 GMT
Good thread would actually be how many English players have been genuinely world class as it’s a terms given out far too often. I would say Ashley Cole, Bobby Moore and Paul Scholes (Think that might cause debate) struggling after that. Rooney? Gerrard & Lampard both were 100%. Rooney def was - pre-hair transplant Rooney was an absolute monster. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Apr 19, 2023 6:48:03 GMT
Des Walker before Overmars destroyed him at Wembley. Seaman was world class
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Post by West Acton on Apr 19, 2023 6:48:45 GMT
Really Matty you making Lampard world class. I would say very good player but just short of the world class bracket.
Interesting thread like threads like this on general football
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