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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 9, 2024 8:44:17 GMT
Look at his formula for how he completely transformed us last season, and replicate that. It was far more than 'new manager bounce': 1) He had a formula and the players to execute it. 2) He had a Plan B when needed. 3) He was able to motivate them.
He hasn't suddenly lost all that and become a worse manager since then.
Approach it pragmatically and phlegmatically: a) Use the Jan window (yes, again!) to bring in what's needed, b) Get the injured players back asap, c) Replace DOP Ben Williams.
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Post by Shania on Nov 9, 2024 9:06:51 GMT
Could have been scripted from this board. Yeah that’s kind of where I am. You can moan about the signings, you can moan about Nourry and feel sorry for yourself due to the injuries but we’ve been poor basically all season. You can have rubbish players but you can at least show some sort of plan on the pitch. I see on LFW that it’s Nourry fault and Marti isn’t happy and being dictated too. I’m sorry but Marti picks the team. Marti coaches them. If he’s unhappy, then leave. Just do your fucking job. As sad as it soundsmMarti and many other managers these days have to live with being "dictated". Mark Robins was in the same situation this season I saw mentioned somewhere. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Nov 9, 2024 10:11:42 GMT
Look at his formula for how he completely transformed us last season, and replicate that. It was far more then 'new manager bounce': 1) He had a formula and the players to execute it. 2) He had a Plan B when needed. 3) He was able to motivate them. He hasn't suddenly lost all that and become a worse manager since then. Look at it pragmatically and phlegmatically - use the Jan window (yes, again!) to bring in what's needed, get the injured players back asap, and replace Ben Williams. STOP PRESS… QPR fan forum founder to become personal advisor to Christian Nourry  |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 9, 2024 17:17:26 GMT
Well I thought Robins was a better manager than Marti before the season. Now Robins is available, I’d definitely do the ruthless thing now…
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Post by 1973ranger on Nov 9, 2024 17:32:00 GMT
Still has the same shit to work with and a striker who has not scored a single goal. The recruitment team are more to blame than Marti.
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Post by Corbray on Nov 9, 2024 17:47:38 GMT
he's working with an absolutely threadbare squad that has forced him into playing a CM in defence, a winger or RB as LB and an 18yo in midfield. look at who he's having to pick as starters ffs, smyth and anderson are squad players at best and the bench is completely devoid of anyone. the best attacking option off the bench is alfie lloyd so it's hardly like he's choosing to play these players. even the sub GK is only on a short term contract! we are down to bare bones.
we have JCS, paal, chair, dembele, frey and colback all out injured. 6 first teamers.
yes, the summer signings mostly haven't worked out. madsen and celar have both been a crock of shit especially so in celar's case who's done nothing up top. we got draws against burnley and sunderland and on a different day would have beat the latter.
all these calls for marti's head are just so far off the mark.
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Post by James1979 on Nov 9, 2024 17:48:28 GMT
Still has the same shit to work with and a striker who has not scored a single goal. The recruitment team are more to blame than Marti. But Robins is a better manager. Got to be ruthless to progress in football. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 9, 2024 17:49:12 GMT
he's working with an absolutely threadbare squad that has forced him into playing a CM in defence, a winger or RB as LB and an 18yo in midfield. look at who he's having to pick as starters ffs, smyth and anderson are squad players at best and the bench is completely devoid of anyone. the best attacking option off the bench is alfie lloyd so it's hardly like he's choosing to play these players. even the sub GK is only on a short term contract! we are down to bare bones. we have JCS, paal, chair, dembele, frey and colback all out injured. 6 first teamers. yes, the summer signings mostly haven't worked out. madsen and celar have both been a crock of shit especially so in celar's case who's done nothing up top. we got draws against burnley and sunderland and on a different day would have beat the latter. all these calls for marti's head are just so far off the mark. Which games have we looked good this season? |
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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 9, 2024 17:57:29 GMT
he's working with an absolutely threadbare squad that has forced him into playing a CM in defence, a winger or RB as LB and an 18yo in midfield. look at who he's having to pick as starters ffs, smyth and anderson are squad players at best and the bench is completely devoid of anyone. the best attacking option off the bench is alfie lloyd so it's hardly like he's choosing to play these players. even the sub GK is only on a short term contract! we are down to bare bones. we have JCS, paal, chair, dembele, frey and colback all out injured. 6 first teamers. yes, the summer signings mostly haven't worked out. madsen and celar have both been a crock of shit especially so in celar's case who's done nothing up top. we got draws against burnley and sunderland and on a different day would have beat the latter. all these calls for marti's head are just so far off the mark. Which games have we looked good this season? Sunderland to be fair but the bar is extremely low admittedly. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 9, 2024 18:02:48 GMT
Which games have we looked good this season? Sunderland to be fair but the bar is extremely low admittedly. I know I’m less patient than most. If Robins wasn’t available I wouldn’t be saying this. |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 9, 2024 18:02:49 GMT
Still has the same shit to work with and a striker who has not scored a single goal. The recruitment team are more to blame than Marti. But Robins is a better manager. Got to be ruthless to progress in football. I'd only take Robins if he was reunited with the guy who used to look after Chelsea U21s, Adi Viveash. He left Cov at the beginning of this term, but apart from that was with Robins from day one. IUmportant part of the success there. Both are without jobs right now. |
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Post by Shania on Nov 9, 2024 18:11:09 GMT
I blame Belk and the rest of the recruitment team for very much of this mess.
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Post by 2Loftus on Nov 9, 2024 18:14:24 GMT
he's working with an absolutely threadbare squad that has forced him into playing a CM in defence, a winger or RB as LB and an 18yo in midfield. look at who he's having to pick as starters ffs, smyth and anderson are squad players at best and the bench is completely devoid of anyone. the best attacking option off the bench is alfie lloyd so it's hardly like he's choosing to play these players. even the sub GK is only on a short term contract! we are down to bare bones. we have JCS, paal, chair, dembele, frey and colback all out injured. 6 first teamers. yes, the summer signings mostly haven't worked out. madsen and celar have both been a crock of shit especially so in celar's case who's done nothing up top. we got draws against burnley and sunderland and on a different day would have beat the latter. all these calls for marti's head are just so far off the mark. Well said Corbs. Marti was hailed as a tactical genius when he kept us up. People were panicking that he'd be poached in the Summer. |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 9, 2024 18:15:14 GMT
Which games have we looked good this season? Sunderland to be fair but the bar is extremely low admittedly. Luton, Sheffield Utd second half , thought Portsmouth we looked good and if chair takes chances that’s comfortable win. |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 9, 2024 18:20:44 GMT
he's working with an absolutely threadbare squad that has forced him into playing a CM in defence, a winger or RB as LB and an 18yo in midfield. look at who he's having to pick as starters ffs, smyth and anderson are squad players at best and the bench is completely devoid of anyone. the best attacking option off the bench is alfie lloyd so it's hardly like he's choosing to play these players. even the sub GK is only on a short term contract! we are down to bare bones. we have JCS, paal, chair, dembele, frey and colback all out injured. 6 first teamers. yes, the summer signings mostly haven't worked out. madsen and celar have both been a crock of shit especially so in celar's case who's done nothing up top. we got draws against burnley and sunderland and on a different day would have beat the latter. all these calls for marti's head are just so far off the mark. Well said Corbs. Marti was hailed as a tactical genius when he kept us up. People were panicking that he'd be poached in the Summer. I’m shocked fans think a different manager makes any difference. Plus it’s the exact same situation he got us out of last season think we might have couple more points this season but happy to be corrected. If it was good squad with underperforming manager then I would agree get rid but it’s shit squad what do fans honestly expect. Is Robins or Edward’s etc going pull a striker out there Arse or sprinkle pixie dust on celar to make him a handful? Our hand has been dealt until the window opens he deserves that imo and he deserves pick few of HIS OWN players and the club back him. If I’m Rubin I’m not trusting another word on signings from Nourry or Belk they have broken the club once again. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 9, 2024 18:21:37 GMT
Plymouth we had itro 46 shots. Only our finishing let us down. Even against Hull we started brightly and could have been 2 up with more composure in front of goal.
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Post by James1979 on Nov 9, 2024 18:28:16 GMT
I also thought Marti was a genius last season. But we haven’t had a good game all season and we have a better manager available. I look at now we play, and players look confused/lost and so disjointed. We’ve played 15 league games. That’s a big sample size! If/when we go down, I’d back Robins to take us up much more than Marti
Because he’s done it before.
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Post by James1979 on Nov 9, 2024 18:31:47 GMT
Plymouth we had itro 46 shots. Only our finishing let us down. Even against Hull we started brightly and could have been 2 up with more composure in front of goal. We’ve had 15 games. We are where we are because we deserve to be. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Nov 9, 2024 18:32:01 GMT
Still has the same shit to work with and a striker who has not scored a single goal. The recruitment team are more to blame than Marti. But Robins is a better manager. Got to be ruthless to progress in football. Ruthless or not that squad is poor and Robins or anyone else cannot do anything with the forward line that we currently have. |
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Post by Corbray on Nov 9, 2024 18:33:18 GMT
he's working with an absolutely threadbare squad that has forced him into playing a CM in defence, a winger or RB as LB and an 18yo in midfield. look at who he's having to pick as starters ffs, smyth and anderson are squad players at best and the bench is completely devoid of anyone. the best attacking option off the bench is alfie lloyd so it's hardly like he's choosing to play these players. even the sub GK is only on a short term contract! we are down to bare bones. we have JCS, paal, chair, dembele, frey and colback all out injured. 6 first teamers. yes, the summer signings mostly haven't worked out. madsen and celar have both been a crock of shit especially so in celar's case who's done nothing up top. we got draws against burnley and sunderland and on a different day would have beat the latter. all these calls for marti's head are just so far off the mark. Which games have we looked good this season? a couple, not great but i'd add plymouth to the list that others have mentioned. there's lots of extenuating circumstances around our form. early doors we tried to play a more possession based style of football which most at the time said fair enough too as we'd signed players to fit that mould (didn't work out) and marti had earned the right to tinker about a bit. injuries to key players really hasn't helped either and quite frankly we haven't had much luck either. some of our draws could have easily been wins and if they were none of us would be at panic stations. mild discontent for sure and some nervous glances at the table but that's about it. frankly we have to stick by marti. it's a god awful rough patch, i'm not enamoured by the losses and bad performances but even in those games i still see some measure of hope. leeds today, yes we didn't deserve the win or even a draw for that matter but we still had spells ontop with an injury riddled hodge podge squad against one of the best sides in the league. we went close a couple of times and better players would have put away one or two of those chances. we know that the likes of morgan, andersen, smyth, ashby and celar aren't starters. bennie and lloyd aren't even sub players either to be frank but due to injuries we have no option but to play them and hope for the best ... again, against one of the best sides in the league who have the best home record, have scored the 2nd most goals and have the best defence in the league. anyone who expected a result today needs to give me whatever they've been smoking. we've got 2 weeks off and hopefully in that time we get some players returning from the sidelines. it's a welcome 2 weeks that's for sure but marti has to stay regardless of how our season ends up. i'm personally still of the belief that we'll be no where near the relegation zone come may. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Nov 9, 2024 18:33:20 GMT
I blame Belk and the rest of the recruitment team for very much of this mess. How many managers has he worked with and how many have suceeded? |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 9, 2024 18:35:42 GMT
If Robins has a shit 15 games do we try someone else?
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Post by 2Loftus on Nov 9, 2024 18:36:49 GMT
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Post by James1979 on Nov 9, 2024 18:37:07 GMT
Look you are all making good points but don’t we want a manager now who can take us up from League 1? Surely Robins would be better placed to do that? Even if not, we need Marti to confirm that if we stick with him into League 1, he will stay. If he can’t/won’t confirm then we go for Robins and offer him same deal ie. Stick with us in League 1
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Post by West Acton on Nov 9, 2024 18:37:15 GMT
I blame Belk and the rest of the recruitment team for very much of this mess. How many managers has he worked with and how many have suceeded? he’s been here long enough and got more wrong then he’s got right. What ever the metrics are he’s measured on he can’t be succeeding unless the ask is to bring in shit in which case he’s excelling. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 9, 2024 18:37:56 GMT
If Robins has a shit 15 games do we try someone else? No because I think he’s best we could ever get to take us up again |
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Post by 1973ranger on Nov 9, 2024 18:38:15 GMT
If Robins has a shit 15 games do we try someone else? Man United are doing the same and their recruitment is the reason their managers get the sack. Recruitment is crucial when your academy do not provide first team players on a regular basis. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 9, 2024 18:38:29 GMT
If Robins has a shit 15 games do we try someone else? yeah, if we still have a chance of staying up |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 9, 2024 18:38:59 GMT
If Robins has a shit 15 games do we try someone else? No because I think he’s best we could ever get to take us up again and what if he said no thanks if you drop I’m off as he will be sought after in championship I would guess as he is a decent manager I agree in that. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 9, 2024 18:39:55 GMT
No because I think he’s best we could ever get to take us up again and what if he said no thanks if you drop I’m off as he will be sought after in championship I would guess as he is a decent manager I agree in that. Then we don’t hire him and stick with Marti. I’m just saying I would have Robins over Marti any day of the week. |
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