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Post by Corbray on Oct 31, 2023 9:49:41 GMT
he can't just resign though unless the board accepts it. football contracts meticulous with managers and players being paid a guarantee and then bonuses ontop of it. so when you see that a player is on 300k a week its more like 150k a week and then 'nailed on' bonuses for turning up to training and playing etc. it pretty much makes the contract impossible to get out of as its so financially favourable to the employee. if a manager were to just walk then there would be clauses in the contract that would royally fuck the manager. stuff like idk, a 10 million quid compensation package from the manager to the club. He can resign whenever he wants and would win a lot of money in court if he couldn't.... The level of compensation in contracts should be realistic to prevent managers from just walking. football and entertainment contracts are different to normal everyday contracts. like i said, there would be massive financial repurcusions in his contract if he just walked. heck, there's similar repucusions in everyday contracts for example as if you don't work your agreed upon contractual notice then the company can take you to court for the cost of a temp hire. think of all the managers and players that have wanted to leave over the years but have been forbidden from doing so by their club. william gallas almost got taken to court when he threatened to score own goals to force a move away from chelsea (i think it was them). the fact that employees of a club are paid a huge guarantee with a contract they agreed makes it very difficult to get out of and fight against. its all heavily regulated and strict. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 9:57:38 GMT
He can resign whenever he wants and would win a lot of money in court if he couldn't.... The level of compensation in contracts should be realistic to prevent managers from just walking. football and entertainment contracts are different to normal everyday contracts. like i said, there would be massive financial repurcusions in his contract if he just walked. heck, there's similar repucusions in everyday contracts for example as if you don't work your agreed upon contractual notice then the company can take you to court for the cost of a temp hire. think of all the managers and players that have wanted to leave over the years but have been forbidden from doing so by their club. william gallas almost got taken to court when he threatened to score own goals to force a move away from chelsea (i think it was them). the fact that employees of a club are paid a huge guarantee with a contract they agreed makes it very difficult to get out of and fight against. its all heavily regulated and strict. Football players? Absolutely different matter. All they can do is ask for a transfer or take a Bosman when the opportunity arises. Before that then, absolutely, they are tied down to contract and are fucked. However, Football managers are VERY different. You would not find a court in the land who decides in favour of the club if the manager resigned and the former opted for legal action. The only way around that would be to put in there a 6 month notice period but that would open up all complications and no clubs wants a manager who has announced they are leaving at the helm for that length of time. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 31, 2023 9:58:21 GMT
If he's successful he won't be here in 18 months and that is something we need to understand right from the start. That depends on your definition of success. People have different ones. Very interesting read. Thanks for posting that Ginge. Time will tell. I do share Alan's concerns too. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 10:10:45 GMT
If he's successful he won't be here in 18 months and that is something we need to understand right from the start. That depends on your definition of success. People have different ones. Very interesting read. Thanks for posting that Ginge. Time will tell. I do share Alan's concerns too. For me success that would see him leave is survival this season and mid table next or walking away with League One next year. If either of those occur I can't see him leading us out in August 2025. |
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Post by sparks on Oct 31, 2023 10:14:39 GMT
If he's successful he won't be here in 18 months and that is something we need to understand right from the start. That depends on your definition of success. People have different ones. Very interesting read. Thanks for posting that Ginge. Time will tell. I do share Alan's concerns too. Where’s all that positivity gone, ACricketer is going to have a field day |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 31, 2023 10:21:27 GMT
For me success that would see him leave is survival this season and mid table next or walking away with League One next year. If either of those occur I can't see him leading us out in August 2025. OTOH IF he has us flirting with playoff spots next season (another person's definition of 'success') that would incentivise him to stay put. So just think that whole conversation is much too speculative at this stage. Where’s all that positivity gone, ACricketer is going to have a field day Cautiously optimistic Sparks, cautiously optimistic. Anything else just wouldn't be logical as it's such an unknown quantity right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 10:40:30 GMT
For me success that would see him leave is survival this season and mid table next or walking away with League One next year. If either of those occur I can't see him leading us out in August 2025. OTOH IF he has us flirting with playoff spots next season (another person's definition of 'success') that would incentivise him to stay put. So just think that whole conversation is much too speculative at this stage. Where’s all that positivity gone, ACricketer is going to have a field day Cautiously optimistic Sparks, cautiously optimistic. Anything else just wouldn't be logical as it's such an unknown quantity right now. Agree it's pure conjecture. My thoughts are that if we're flirting with the Play-Offs he'll attract the attention of a club with greater ambitions and money and we will lose him. If he takes us up mind you....... He stays. |
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Post by BrightonR on Oct 31, 2023 10:43:24 GMT
Very good read that and has got me excited. He speaks very good English too. I hope the players switch on and respond now because he could be a great addition to Queens Park Rangers. A big ask from one of the most unprofessional and pathetic group of wasters we’ve ever had. This mob have let down the club and fans, throughout the tenure of the two previous managers. |
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Post by sparks on Oct 31, 2023 11:06:08 GMT
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Post by kiblobsworth on Oct 31, 2023 11:19:09 GMT
Ariba!Andale andale!
Hopefully some fresh young Euro talent and not the neverending stream of UK players with string for ligaments,courage of a pisgod wibbli wobbli and brains fashioned out of raw mutton.
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 31, 2023 11:29:47 GMT
Our board is actually a joke. They are completely incompetent and to take this type of risk with our club when we are in this position is pretty much gross misconduct. They are basically rolling the dice that they have unearthed a gem and it could go either way. Eustace, Warnock, Rowett, Wilder, Jones and Beale all available on free. Know this league and have history of getting results. Our team isn’t the worst and all we needed was manager with a bit of strategical nous and gravitas that the players recognise and could get behind. I really hope this bloke gets it right but why take such a huge unnecessary risk. I actually thought it was a joke when I saw it announced. Blimey. Do you give the club any credit for anything? Eutace, we have worked with we know what he can do (though id be happy with him) Warnock, not all players will play well for someone on a short term deal Rowett, Sacked from Birmingham, Millwall were happy to see him go Wilder, only done well at Sheffield Utd and that was a few years ago now Jones, only does well at Luton and same shit style as Ainsworth Beale, no chance. You talk as if this manager who has been studying the game, doesn't know about the game. He'll know the league already, he's lived and worked in London. How do you know he doesn't inspire people? The club deserve credit, they got rid of Ainsworth and hired someone in a day or 2. They have clearly been looking behind the scenes for the right man and gone back to someone who appears to play exactly how the bulk of the fanbase wants us to play. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 31, 2023 11:39:19 GMT
Very good read that and has got me excited. He speaks very good English too. I hope the players switch on and respond now because he could be a great addition to Queens Park Rangers. A big ask from one of the most unprofessional and pathetic group of wasters we’ve ever had. This mob have let down the club and fans, throughout the tenure of the two previous managers. With few exceptions- Kakay, Field, Chair, Smyth, Cook, Fox- I hate most of them tbh. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 11:40:50 GMT
Ariba!Andale andale!
Hopefully some fresh young Euro talent and not the neverending stream of UK players with string for ligaments,courage of a pisgod wibbli wobbli and brains fashioned out of raw mutton.
I'm hoping he's developed a Swedish female fanbase who will begin to attend matches at Loftus Road 👍 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 31, 2023 12:19:23 GMT
Position based football - always been a fan of that, particularly when done in the opposition half. Thanks Sparks |
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Post by Corbray on Oct 31, 2023 12:53:50 GMT
A big ask from one of the most unprofessional and pathetic group of wasters we’ve ever had. This mob have let down the club and fans, throughout the tenure of the two previous managers. With few exceptions- Kakay, Field, Chair, Smyth, Cook, Fox- I hate most of them tbh. i like kakay, gives his all but has a lot of errors in him. in any other season he'd be a decent squad player due to his utility. its a sad state that hes one of the first names on the teamsheet now. |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Oct 31, 2023 12:55:00 GMT
Our board is actually a joke. They are completely incompetent and to take this type of risk with our club when we are in this position is pretty much gross misconduct. They are basically rolling the dice that they have unearthed a gem and it could go either way. Eustace, Warnock, Rowett, Wilder, Jones and Beale all available on free. Know this league and have history of getting results. Our team isn’t the worst and all we needed was manager with a bit of strategical nous and gravitas that the players recognise and could get behind. I really hope this bloke gets it right but why take such a huge unnecessary risk. I actually thought it was a joke when I saw it announced. Blimey. Do you give the club any credit for anything? Eutace, we have worked with we know what he can do (though id be happy with him) Warnock, not all players will play well for someone on a short term deal Rowett, Sacked from Birmingham, Millwall were happy to see him go Wilder, only done well at Sheffield Utd and that was a few years ago now Jones, only does well at Luton and same shit style as Ainsworth Beale, no chance. You talk as if this manager who has been studying the game, doesn't know about the game. He'll know the league already, he's lived and worked in London. How do you know he doesn't inspire people? The club deserve credit, they got rid of Ainsworth and hired someone in a day or 2. They have clearly been looking behind the scenes for the right man and gone back to someone who appears to play exactly how the bulk of the fanbase wants us to play. Sorry but what world have I woken up into with so many people defensive off this appointment and our board which over the last few years have shown nothing other then incompetency when running this club. Just a few days ago nearly every fan and his dog was calling our board a joke and wanted them out. Now apparently they have pulled a rabbit out of the hat with thus unknown manager. The fact is this is a highly risky appointment and in our current position, one I would argue even more risky. No real fan will ever wish anything other then success for a new manager and I am no different. I hope he comes in and is the de zibri or potter and we have unearthed a gem. However, given our current predicament I am strongly of the opinion there were much better and obvious options available to us to help us stay up. I also personally don't agree with your assessments of the managers above - Warnock took over Huddersfield last year who were in trouble and kept them up - exactly what we need Eustace - kept a poor Birmingham, and took them to the play offs position this year - they have capitulated since he left Rowett - Done a fantastic job with Milwall, its not pretty but made them in to a consistent top 10 champ team Wilder - I agree but has success in this league Jones - I really don't like him but he built the foundations at Luton and on a shoe string budget and performed amicably in the championship Beale - Last time in the championship had OUR team top of the table All of the above managers have better credentials and considering the position we are in should of been ahead of a untested and I would say massive gamble. That's my opinion and a lot of people also agree and there's a lot of p*** taking at the moment from a lot of people on what have we done here. But ultimately he is our manager now and I hope the gamble pays off |
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Post by Vespa on Oct 31, 2023 13:23:26 GMT
i`m honestly quite excited at the thought of playing possession based decent football again , and i admit i knew nothing at all about him , but the more i read ,the more i like the sound of him . The man studied under Johan Cruyff , and definately has a clue about his teams playing style .
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 31, 2023 13:35:49 GMT
Yes. Been calling for this type of appointment for years, Obvs might not work out but sooner die trying . I'm sick of tired old Englishmen and middle aged wannabe rock stars. I'm sick of exes. I don't get the angst, MC has a more solid CV than Beale to my way of thinking. Well done Shania, knowing the way upstairs works this is probably down to you, Position based football - always been a fan of that, particularly when done in the opposition half. Thanks Sparks kind of one step beyond. Football is evolving and LR needs a good wake up. edited link: rfantasyisland.boards.net/thread/3067/reinventing-tactics |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 31, 2023 13:46:15 GMT
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Post by kiblobsworth on Oct 31, 2023 13:54:08 GMT
Let's see what happens before we go deifying/condemning him."The proof of the paella is in the eating" as they say.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 14:03:59 GMT
i`m honestly quite excited at the thought of playing possession based decent football again , and i admit i knew nothing at all about him , but the more i read ,the more i like the sound of him . The man studied under Johan Cruyff , and definately has a clue about his teams playing style . We may not have won many trophies but we have traditions worth maintaining. There IS a QPR way of playing and that certainly isn't Ainsworth's style but more Cifuntes' way and we build teams, not buy tainted success which is something he's keen to do. That's why I'm excited. |
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 31, 2023 14:06:17 GMT
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Post by Timmy Doc on Oct 31, 2023 14:37:18 GMT
Maidstone_Hoop Eustace was unproven until Birmingham gave him a chance. Beale was unproven until we gave him a chance. I think we all can agree our board has failed in big picture. However I think they got Warburton right and initially Beale right. It's true Cifuentis is also unproven, but we have given him a chance and I will give him all my support and hope he is successful.
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Post by Bill on Oct 31, 2023 16:15:00 GMT
Not posting much now.
Not keeping up.
One question has he got his work permit yet?
Just asking.
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 31, 2023 16:26:45 GMT
Maidstone_Hoop Eustace was unproven until Birmingham gave him a chance. Beale was unproven until we gave him a chance. I think we all can agree our board has failed in big picture. However I think they got Warburton right and initially Beale right. It's true Cifuentis is also unproven, but we have given him a chance and I will give him all my support and hope he is successful. Wenger was unproven in England when he turned up at Highbury. Not getting carried away, just making a point. |
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Post by acricketer on Oct 31, 2023 17:20:25 GMT
That depends on your definition of success. People have different ones. Very interesting read. Thanks for posting that Ginge. Time will tell. I do share Alan's concerns too. Where’s all that positivity gone, ACricketer is going to have a field day Just revving up. |
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Post by acricketer on Oct 31, 2023 17:28:19 GMT
A big ask from one of the most unprofessional and pathetic group of wasters we’ve ever had. This mob have let down the club and fans, throughout the tenure of the two previous managers. With few exceptions- Kakay, Field, Chair, Smyth, Cook, Fox- I hate most of them tbh. That's the spirit!  |
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Post by sparks on Oct 31, 2023 18:04:16 GMT
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Post by Timmy Doc on Oct 31, 2023 18:12:34 GMT
Maidstone_Hoop Eustace was unproven until Birmingham gave him a chance. Beale was unproven until we gave him a chance. I think we all can agree our board has failed in big picture. However I think they got Warburton right and initially Beale right. It's true Cifuentis is also unproven, but we have given him a chance and I will give him all my support and hope he is successful. Wenger was unproven in England when he turned up at Highbury. Not getting carried away, just making a point. We can find plenty of examples. Ange was coaching a Japanese team. Farke Dortmund reserve team etc. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 31, 2023 19:31:04 GMT
Any sign of any interview yet?
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